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Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 36 minutes!
insane chinese communists declare war on the sky in final bid to destroy liberty

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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Mantis42 posted:

insane chinese communists declare war on the sky in final bid to destroy liberty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9RS21gJnE8

Trash Ops
Jun 19, 2012

im having fun, isnt everyone else?


hell yeah

Red and Black
Sep 5, 2011

https://twitter.com/catcontentonly/status/1360731850034053120

lol, this is so cynical even for the NY Times

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1360404742111862787

When it was newly built, the streets of the new Kangbashi district did not have much activity, and the district was frequently described as a "ghost city" by several Western media outlets. However, by 2017, Kangbashi had become more populated with a resident population of 153,000 and around one-third of apartments occupied. In a Forbes article, Wade Shepard noted that "...of the 40,000 apartments that had been built in the new district since 2004, only 500 are still on the market

Fleetwood
Mar 26, 2010


biggest hochul head in china

I guess they didn't like the new Adam Curtis

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Fleetwood posted:

I guess they didn't like the new Adam Curtis

a true socialist state would reinstitute the mighty boosh

ArmedZombie
Jun 6, 2004

the ghost city thing is funny because USA downtown areas are ghost towns after 6pm, except for like NYC

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

ArmZ posted:

the ghost city thing is funny because USA downtown areas are ghost towns after 6pm, except for like NYC

also our countryside rapidly deteriorated and is now in many places a wasteland

The thing about those developments sitting empty right after they were built had everything to do with real estate speculation as well. idk if those stories mentioned that or it was all just 'lol chinese can't urban plan'.

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

ArmZ posted:

the ghost city thing is funny because USA downtown areas are ghost towns after 6pm, except for like NYC

ahh but the content mines are teeming with activity!

poll plane variant
Jan 12, 2021

by sebmojo

ArmZ posted:

the ghost city thing is funny because USA downtown areas are ghost towns after 6pm, except for like NYC

This hasn't been true in 20 years except in rust belt places where the suburbs are also dead, or during early part of covid

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
or LA

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 36 minutes!
how tf does anyone actually afford to live in an american city anyways

sonatinas
Apr 15, 2003

Seattle Karate Vs. L.A. Karate

Mantis42 posted:

how tf does anyone actually afford to live in an american city anyways

they move to cheaper places like Grand Rapids, MI.

Protagorean
May 19, 2013

by Azathoth
sponging off family, work 2+ jobs, selling art, selling nudes, selling videos, camming, prostitution, influencing, extra roommates, extra roomates who aren't on the lease, stealing, organized crime, podcasting, crowdfunding, begging, hustling, being a landlord, having an overpaid bullshit job that only exists in centers of capital, or just being a rich piece of poo poo

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

i was driving last year and npr was blasting some poo poo about chinese researchers hiding stuff from their western counterparts making international pandemic response worse so i'm going to assume they took similar journalistic liberties lol

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
if you wanted to destroy america with an engineered plague, there would really be no point in hiding any information about the plague from the americans because americans can be counted on to not protect themselves from it regardless

je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015

mila kunis posted:

https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1360404742111862787

When it was newly built, the streets of the new Kangbashi district did not have much activity, and the district was frequently described as a "ghost city" by several Western media outlets. However, by 2017, Kangbashi had become more populated with a resident population of 153,000 and around one-third of apartments occupied. In a Forbes article, Wade Shepard noted that "...of the 40,000 apartments that had been built in the new district since 2004, only 500 are still on the market

Right, there's not much difficulty in selling real estate in China because much of it is snapped up by speculators who only intend to hold them as an asset. Having two-thirds of apartments being vacant is pretty disastrous. I read in the past that this is partially due to China lacking property taxes, is that still the case?

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

je1 healthcare posted:

Right, there's not much difficulty in selling real estate in China because much of it is snapped up by speculators who only intend to hold them as an asset. Having two-thirds of apartments being vacant is pretty disastrous. I read in the past that this is partially due to China lacking property taxes, is that still the case?

There is no property tax but in theory you are only buying 70 year usage right of a residential apartment, you don't "own" your apartment. The people own it.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

stephenthinkpad posted:

There is no property tax but in theory you are only buying 70 year usage right of a residential apartment, you don't "own" your apartment. The people own it.

lol

je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015

stephenthinkpad posted:

There is no property tax but in theory you are only buying 70 year usage right of a residential apartment, you don't "own" your apartment. The people own it.

Yes, which means that local municipalities have to resort to generate income via selling real estate. If there's no more land to sell, they can just evict the poorest of residents, demolish their once-affordable housing, and replace them with fancier apartments and malls to be sold to future bagholders. No property taxes means there's no drawback to rich people hoarding vacant properties as stable financial assets.

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

nyt doing nyt poo poo

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
has there been any information on whether China has already started vaccinating people against COVID and how well they've been doing that?

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

gradenko_2000 posted:

has there been any information on whether China has already started vaccinating people against COVID and how well they've been doing that?

they started in January I think but only had one vaccine approved at the time. they just approved another like last week. I think they’re going slower than the US and Europe but it’s also not as big of a deal since they have the virus pretty well controlled

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

stephenthinkpad posted:

There is no property tax but in theory you are only buying 70 year usage right of a residential apartment, you don't "own" your apartment. The people own it.

this seems like it would be a bad long term investment are the speculators just not reading the fine print

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Some Guy TT posted:

this seems like it would be a bad long term investment are the speculators just not reading the fine print

70 years is beyond “long term” really, and even if you have to eventually give it back you can still make a ton of money off it in the short term

Red and Black
Sep 5, 2011

je1 healthcare posted:

Having two-thirds of apartments being vacant is pretty disastrous.

Not really, the whole point is that China is building these units in anticipation of future demand. About 40% of the population of the country is still rural and there is a massive government effort to move people into the cities to increase their economic productivity (and simultaneously reduce poverty). Building apartments in advance prevents this urbanization from putting pressure on the housing market.

Red and Black has issued a correction as of 11:38 on Feb 15, 2021

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Look up the recent news of a village (actual farming village) that built entire grid of new houses and made the whole village move into them..

Those business type who try to use western financial tools to analyze China never understand China has the ability to make the population of a whole town move to a new location, which none other country in the world can do that.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
Can someone explain to me why the opposition in russia hold such insanely right wing reactionary views against african american movements like BLM and such? it makes it really difficult to be on their side in their struggle against putin but then read any of their insane racist screeds written by people like Kasparov and Navalny and not immediately be put off by them, like arent these folks supposed to be "liberal democrats"?

Al-Saqr has issued a correction as of 13:08 on Feb 15, 2021

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Liberalism is inherently white supremacist op

Somaen
Nov 19, 2007

by vyelkin

Al-Saqr posted:

Can someone explain to me why the opposition in russia hold such insanely right wing reactionary views against african american movements like BLM and such? it makes it really difficult to be on their side in their struggle against putin but then read any of their insane racist screeds written by people like Kasparov and Navalny and not immediately be put off by them, like arent these folks supposed to be "liberal democrats"?

russia is a very racist society in general that is typical of europe and in addition to that they do not have the liberalism-borne political correctness where they feel they have to hide it or have any coherent thoughts regarding african-americans since it's such a distant issue, at best it's an import of what the general view of the democrat/republican party is depending on the person and who they have connections to

though navalny and kasparov don't seem to have written anything re:BLM that google found for me in either russian or english so im not sure which racist screeds you are reading

Malleum
Aug 16, 2014

Am I the one at fault? What about me is wrong?
Buglord
the russian liberal bugbear for the past several hundred years has been a completely russianized russia, where some regions and peoples wear funny hats and have tans but they all speak russian and follow the enlightened rule of their educated and urbanized betters

this obsession with national purity of course makes them natural enemies of any kind of minority rights movement, because these urbanized and educated dominant cultures obviously know better than the underclass and to suggest otherwise is an attack on the natural order of things

navalny specifically has always been upfront about his rabid nationalism, so it's no surprise that he sympathizes with the people putting down a "threat to national unity" and has awful things to say about people not invested in the smooth operation of empire

Idia
Apr 26, 2010



Fun Shoe

Al-Saqr posted:

Can someone explain to me why the opposition in russia hold such insanely right wing reactionary views against african american movements like BLM and such? it makes it really difficult to be on their side in their struggle against putin but then read any of their insane racist screeds written by people like Kasparov and Navalny and not immediately be put off by them, like arent these folks supposed to be "liberal democrats"?

Yasha Levine talks about it in his substack/podcast: https://yasha.substack.com/p/episode-2-russians-against-politics

The Russian liberals are far right much like anywhere in Europe. I can't tell the populace as a whole is rabidly racist since it's a multi-ethnic population or it's concentrated in the big cities and surrounding burbs. Russian emigres are a mostly racist bunch especially those who were raised in the 70s or 80s, older Russians seemed more chill in my opinion.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Somaen posted:

though navalny and kasparov don't seem to have written anything re:BLM that google found for me in either russian or english so im not sure which racist screeds you are reading

yeah maybe not them themselves but the people who work with them seem like really bad news:-

I mean this for example was published on Kasparovs personal website:-

https://translate.google.com/transl...3D50A6C962A3D7C

https://www.codastory.com/disinformation/putins-liberal-foes-reject-black-lives-matter/

Idia posted:

Yasha Levine talks about it in his substack/podcast: https://yasha.substack.com/p/episode-2-russians-against-politics

The Russian liberals are far right much like anywhere in Europe. I can't tell the populace as a whole is rabidly racist since it's a multi-ethnic population or it's concentrated in the big cities and surrounding burbs. Russian emigres are a mostly racist bunch especially those who were raised in the 70s or 80s, older Russians seemed more chill in my opinion.

thanks will give this a listen.

Al-Saqr has issued a correction as of 15:11 on Feb 15, 2021

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

a pity kasparovs such a nut in general his posts about computer assisted chess players being better than pure chess playing computers are very interesting

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Some Guy TT posted:

a pity kasparovs such a nut in general his posts about computer assisted chess players being better than pure chess playing computers are very interesting

What's the difference between a computer telling you what to do versus a computer doing it itself?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Kasparov is just the Dr Ben Carson of chess

Somaen
Nov 19, 2007

by vyelkin

Al-Saqr posted:

yeah maybe not them themselves but the people who work with them seem like really bad news:-

I mean this for example was published on Kasparovs personal website:-

https://translate.google.com/transl...3D50A6C962A3D7C

kasparov is definitely right-wing, but that guy is a rando businessman that writes investment articles, not really a prominent political figure
the coda article mentions Sobchak as some prominent liberal opposition figure even though she's the puppet liberal of the government and participated in 2018 presidential elections as the liberal candidate handpicked by the kremlin

sorry if the occasional soviet cosplay got you fooled, but if you're looking for class-based anti-racist, anti-homophobic and anti-sexist sentiment with an open, egalitarian society russia is not for you

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Somaen posted:


sorry if the occasional soviet cosplay got you fooled, but if you're looking for class-based anti-racist, anti-homophobic and anti-sexist sentiment with an open, egalitarian society russia is not for you

lol I wasnt looking for anything I was just confused how the 'liberal democratic' opposition square this circle in their minds, I am under no illusion as to the general Chuddery of Russia.

I gotta say though, like if this is the best they can put forward what real difference do they provide in comparison to putin? are they actually gonna dismantle the oligarchs? are they gonna reform the nightmare capitalism? it seems the furthest they've thought about is 'we're not Putin' and if Navalny's hyper-nationalism is true it really kneecaps their ability to reach anyone outside of their circles and form an actual alternative to Putin.

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Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Al-Saqr posted:

What's the difference between a computer telling you what to do versus a computer doing it itself?

computers arent actually that smart and chess playing computers dont use artificial intelligence as we understand it they base their decisions on the outcomes of previous chess games with identical positions they easily get confused and make weird incomprehensible moves if faced with unusual board positions

a human player or team using computer tools is much better at grasping the context of an individual board layout and building a long term coherent strategy that makes sense as opposed to just focusing on the best possible short term decisions

basically when anyone says that movie like artificial intelligence is probably beyond our lifetimes this is what they mean data on its own can do amazing things but machines arent very good at analyzing anything with a great deal of contextual complexity and people misunderstanding this is how we get amazing fuckups like the hillary campaign trusting the algorithms so hard they ignore the actual canvassers

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