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Fist
Sep 16, 2007

Somfin posted:

What makes you a coiner? What drew you to the coin life?
LOL coiner. it's an asset class, or an investment vehicle like stocks, real estate, bonds. Personally I think of it as an ETF for the crypto sphere like qqq or spy is for stock markets. I look at my portfolio after 5 years, btc had outperformed spy and qqq by a huge percent. For discretionary investing heck yeah get some BTC in your portfolio it's super basic. You know of course keep your IRA maxed every year etc, it's not BTC or die, its a nice hedge.
I don't understand the guy who keeps posting pedophelia on the blockchain, that doesn't even make sense.

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jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Bitcoin is as much an asset class as an array of fishing rods all along the edge of Loch Ness trying to hook Nessie.

Also SPY and QQQ are pretty terrible ETFs for stock market investment.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Fist posted:

LOL coiner. it's an asset class, or an investment vehicle like stocks, real estate, bonds.

Those are all attached to things that actually exist, though.

Bitcoin is a completely artificial vehicle, a bubble that is based on exactly nothing.

strange feelings re Daisy
Aug 2, 2000

New character just dropped for 2021: Crypto Mom
https://twitter.com/coinmama/status/1360656636063408137?s=20
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/clear-crypto-rules-urgently-needed-192644366.html
Who is this? Some fringe activist investor? No. She's an SEC commissioner lmao.

strange feelings re Daisy fucked around with this message at 07:14 on Feb 14, 2021

LordSaturn
Aug 12, 2007

sadly unfunny

hbag posted:

i would like to learn more about this seraph fellow so i, too, can point and laugh

just sit tight for a few days, he'll make another pass soon enough

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Fist posted:

LOL coiner. it's an asset class, or an investment vehicle like stocks, real estate, bonds. Personally I think of it as an ETF for the crypto sphere like qqq or spy is for stock markets. I look at my portfolio after 5 years, btc had outperformed spy and qqq by a huge percent. For discretionary investing heck yeah get some BTC in your portfolio it's super basic. You know of course keep your IRA maxed every year etc, it's not BTC or die, its a nice hedge.
I don't understand the guy who keeps posting pedophelia on the blockchain, that doesn't even make sense.
See, your approach makes sense, although I would question its ethicality in some ways due to bitcoin using huge amounts of power etc.

Seraph84 and his various alts is suffering from poster brain and despite what appears to be substantial potential gains which could even be realized, is obsessed with hollering at goons. This is a plague that many humans suffer from.

The pedophilia on the blockchain is because the underlying thing of bitcoin involves, basically, a ledger file that the whole "mining" operation writes to when it makes a new block. (This isn't quite right but it doesn't actually matter.) Some of the entries on this ledger file are things like "dickbutt," "the entire text of John Galt's Speech" and what I believe is binary-encoded text which if decrypted the way you would decrypt a usenet image, is child porn. There are also URLs that at some point also pointed at child porn.

Joe Chill
Mar 21, 2013

"What's this dance called?"

"'Radioactive Flesh.' It's the latest - and the last!"

hbag posted:

i would like to learn more about this seraph fellow so i, too, can point and laugh

Turn off your monitor.

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
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Fist posted:

LOL coiner. it's an asset class, or an investment vehicle like stocks, real estate, bonds.
If it is an asset, then it is an asset like no other. It captures no rent or surplus. It has no underlying use-value that can be consumed. It has no obligor and is legal tender in no jurisdiction. The increasing amounts of cash coming out of each bitcoin reflect the increasing amounts that other people are putting in.

Stealthgerbil
Dec 16, 2004


If you dont have any pegglecoin you are missing out though

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Stealthgerbil posted:

If you dont have any pegglecoin you are missing out though

You mean PeggedCoin right? Right? Because my wife... my wife said...

wyoak
Feb 14, 2005

a glass case of emotion

Fallen Rib

Gazpacho posted:

If it is an asset, then it is an asset like no other. It captures no rent or surplus. It has no underlying use-value that can be consumed. It has no obligor and is legal tender in no jurisdiction. The increasing amounts of cash coming out of each bitcoin reflect the increasing amounts that other people are putting in.
eh that pretty much describes a bunch of derivatives

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Derivatives are still pinned, in some way, to some asset that does things.

kw0134
Apr 19, 2003

I buy feet pics🍆

And many derivatives serve a purpose beyond blind speculation. Commodities futures, e.g., ensure that producers can be assured a market no matter the precise spot price of their goods, and that consumers can have a guaranteed supply at a set price irrespective of supply. Mortgages in the US exist because they can be packaged into CDOs and enable liquidity for lenders. (Whether this is as regulated as tightly as they could be is of course a problem that reared its ugly head in 2008.) Many financial products actually do serve a useful purpose; it's the gambling around them that can be seen as socially useless activity.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001
Derivatives themselves aren't inherently poisonous, but awarding exceptionally lovely ones investment-grade ratings while allowing the issuer to insure against their inevitable failure is the kind of perverse incentive that leads to a whole bunch of contagion.

Corporations and banks getting in on a speculative bubble for crime coins is how a lot of average citizens get hurt.

Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 11:39 on Feb 15, 2021

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde
More to the point, derivatives have obligors. Someone is obligated to deliver oil, to sell at a strike price, to pay out if someone defaults, etc.

Hello Sailor
May 3, 2006

we're all mad here

And the bit where the exchange doesn't get hacked and 20% of traders don't get their futures contracts stolen is always nice.

DerekSmartymans
Feb 14, 2005

The
Copacetic
Ascetic

xtal posted:

I once drew a penis on a check I cashed

I once ordered checks with a pre-printed penis instead of an account number.

Also, my real name is “Byron D. Hugecock.”

hbag
Feb 13, 2021

i have no loving idea where my chequebook is (or "paying-in slip book" as those losers at my bank call them) but im certain its somewhere in my bedroom

DerekSmartymans
Feb 14, 2005

The
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HugeGrossBurrito posted:

nice try seraph

:vince:

DerekSmartymans
Feb 14, 2005

The
Copacetic
Ascetic

Shumagorath posted:

We've reached the Institutional Delusion part of the bubble.

Is it almost to the point when Bitcoin (which is the entire history of economics, mostly the scams, played in fast-forward) catches up timewise to the 2021 real economy? Maybe that’s the singularity...

wyoak
Feb 14, 2005

a glass case of emotion

Fallen Rib

Gazpacho posted:

More to the point, derivatives have obligors. Someone is obligated to deliver oil, to sell at a strike price, to pay out if someone defaults, etc.
was more thinking things like VIXY, although gently caress if i know how that actually works so maybe it is actually tied to something real

cryptohype sorta reminds me of the XIV craze now that i'm thinking about it

wyoak fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Feb 15, 2021

DerekSmartymans
Feb 14, 2005

The
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gary oldmans diary posted:

if only we could utilize bitcoins proof of work algorithm in the real world :thunk:

ah there it is

You are supposed to dry the strawberries, not set your mining rig on fire!

kw0134
Apr 19, 2003

I buy feet pics🍆

wyoak posted:

was more thinking things like VIXY, although gently caress if i know how that actually works so maybe it is actually tied to something real

cryptohype sorta reminds me of the XIV craze now that i'm thinking about it
VIX and XIV are volatility indicators that no one serious will defend. Retail investors shouldn't touch them with a thirty foot pole. XIV was a great investment until it went underwater, a can't lose 'investment" that lost everything.

lovely as they were, though, they still did something; they were a measure of how rapidly price changed in the exchanges. They relied on the purchasing and selling of options to gauge the risk of a rapid swing in the price of stocks. XIV went to hell because they sold puts that would expire worthless, and when those puts actually closed in the money they got hosed. But behind the scenes they did do something, and arguably it wasn't an activity that should have had retail exposure, but there were things being done to generate a return.

Bitcoin...just doesn't do that.

Bright Bart
Apr 27, 2020

False. There is only one electron and it has never stopped
So Elon Musk seems to be spending half his day on doge.

hbag
Feb 13, 2021

Bright Bart posted:

So Elon Musk seems to be spending half his day on doge.

man i JUST sold all mine

Bright Bart
Apr 27, 2020

False. There is only one electron and it has never stopped

hbag posted:

man i JUST sold all mine

Sold or converted to something else?

hbag
Feb 13, 2021

Bright Bart posted:

Sold or converted to something else?

ehhhhhhhhhhhhh converted to USDT
binance wont let me sell it for actual real not-neckbeard money in my goddamn bank account unless i give them a photo of my ID




...and i dont have a photo ID yet because the government are somewhat occupied with The Apocalypse

Bright Bart
Apr 27, 2020

False. There is only one electron and it has never stopped

hbag posted:

ehhhhhhhhhhhhh converted to USDT

Boooring.

Ad by Khad
Jul 25, 2007

Human Garbage
Watch me try to laugh this title off like the dickbag I am.

I also hang out with racists.

hbag posted:

ehhhhhhhhhhhhh converted to USDT

still taxable, dont gently caress up next year's return

hbag
Feb 13, 2021

Ad by Khad posted:

still taxable, dont gently caress up next year's return

jokes on you bitch im british i dont manually file taxes

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

hbag posted:

jokes on you bitch im british i dont manually file taxes
not sure the british government is aware of your new status as a tether asset / impounded sex arse

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?
impounded sex arse gets pegged by bitcoin

Bitdalf the Coiner
Feb 16, 2021

by Pragmatica

Uranium 235 posted:

let's face it, seraph84 is the real heart and soul of the GBS bitcoin thread
:hmmyes:

Flunky posted:

all those people who bought lovely 90s sports cards are gonna have the last laugh. just like the bitcoin ppl who kept hodling
Facts.

Waltzing Along posted:

So BTC is going to replace USD? It's an interesting theory.

For this to happen, the US government would have to get on board along with the federal reserve.
First of all, no, the old guard doesn't need to “get on board” to be made irrelevant and obsolete by the new paradigm.

Waltzing Along posted:

You know that is not going to happen.
Actually, I don't know any such thing. I do think they'll eventually capitulate. Although I think it will be one of the last events before (and a major signal for the arrival of) hyperbitcoinization.

Forget about the price. Read the news. Check the major crypto exchanges' new user data. Better yet, take a few steps out of your filthy goon hovel and talk to people about it. I know you're deeply emotionally invested in this argument, after all, you've been denying reality for so long. But I also know you must be getting tired. This level of denial has to be so exhausting. Isn't it about time you accept reality? You were wrong. You've lost. Have the dignity to accept this with humility and grace.

Waltzing Along posted:

Other countries will do it. They will get rid of their reliance on US backing in order to switch to BTC.
That's right. There are 196 sovereign nations in the world, each can choose to move away from the dollar as a reserve currency on their own timeline. In fact, this inevitability has already begun: https://www.investing.com/news/cryptocurrency-news/kenya-turns-to-bitcoin-to-fight-depreciating-shilling-2417208

Waltzing Along posted:

The UK will never ever ever do it because they didn't even want to get rid of the pound when they were in the EU... :words:
I'm honestly surprised to see nocoiners still using words like “never ever”, given your track record with making predictions in Bitcoin threads. Does your hubris know no bounds?

Waltzing Along posted:

I'll give it to you that the idea of a single world currency is a nice one. But it's not going to happen with BTC. The power shift that would have to occur is far too great to ever happen.
Ahh yes, “such a tremendous change could never happen, there's too much entrenched power in the status quo!” I'm reminded of this pearl of wisdom from Professor Wolff:


Waltzing Along posted:

:words: But that is all BTC is. A fantasy.
Are you sure? Because it seems pretty real to me in the here and now, as I shop for Manhattan co-ops and plan a six-week, $120,000 vacation for my wife and I. Speaking of that, what do you all think of this place for the first two weeks of our trip? https://jademountain.com

We have our eye on the Sun Sanctuary - all inclusive of course.

Waltzing Along posted:

Grow up, Seraph. Stop being part of the problem. Do something with your life so when you get close to death you can look back and be proud that you led a good life.
You know how the old saying goes, if you can't attack the message, attack the messenger. Come now Waltzing Along, surely you can do better than weak ad hominem attacks? What could you possibly gain by making yourself look like so foolish and desperate like this?

Anyhow, let's break down these baseless claims of yours about me, shall we?

Waltzing Along posted:

As opposed to the sadness that you are currently awash in.
What gave you the idea that I'm “awashed in sadness”? Do you really think you know me well enough to make such a claim? If so, based upon what, my posting here? That's a hearty lmao from me, friend.

The truth is, I'm happier and more satisfied now than I'm ever been in my life. After all, I have so, so much to be grateful for! I have meaningful work I love, wherein each day I get to have a powerful impact on the lives of my fellow New Yorkers. I have a compassionate, smart, beautiful loving wife, and a healthy extended family.

I have a smallish but deeply close group of IRL friends, a large and international group of gamer buds, two adorable cats, hobbies I can enjoy even during a pandemic. And, of course, I now have enough wealth to take care of myself, my wife, and my family for the rest of our lives – assuming fairly modest lifestyle choices by NYC standards.

Waltzing Along posted:

As amusing as your mania can be, the source of it is some serious brain worms.
Ahh yes, back to trusty old armchair-psychology. Setting aside the ignorant, judgmental, stigmatizing, and utterly condescending nature of a post like this, what makes you think being correct about bitcoin has anything to do with "brain worms"?

Waltzing Along posted:

I really hope you can get over it and become happy.
See above. I truly hope you can one day let go of this pathetic condescending attitude toward those who have admitted to having faced mental/emotional challenges. Half the reason we come out to the neurotypical world is to do our small part to eradicate the very stigma you're perpetuating in posts like these.

As per tradition, I leave you with a song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeMlQEWEg2Q

Yours in compassion and solidarity,

You know who

Bitdalf the Coiner fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Feb 16, 2021

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001
lol "dignity" from a guy with one pair of socks and no bathroom to his name

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
I am astounded seraph84 discovered he can buy avatars.

Too bad he's getting banned in no more than 3~ hours again when the admins wake up :shrug:

xtal
Jan 9, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
Did anyone comment on how Seraph started posting again right after that totally-not-Seraph guy got probated? I couldn't comment due to also being probated, for unrelated reasons.

Vashro
May 12, 2004

Proud owner of Lazy Lion #46
Hyperbitcoinization

Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
At some point in the future, all accounts posting on SA will be seraph. I call this hyperseraphification.

Bitdalf the Coiner
Feb 16, 2021

by Pragmatica
SA nocoiners every time Seraph84 enters the thread:

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1360736711790182402/pu/vid/460x344/-JApqw36FMCOSVui.mp4

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xtal
Jan 9, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
No way are you allowed that close to children

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