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thing is easier and requires less janitoring “seems like a cop out to me” - a linux user
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Linux’s whole thing is to not have to computer janitor these days. Containers, flat packs, in-place kernel updates, etc., etc. I haven't monitored my workstation in drat near a decade. This angered some nerds, so they created Gentoo, but then Gentoo also became mostly janitor free, so now there's Arch.
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Feb 15, 2021 16:16
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how is gentoo doing these days? haven't used it since the aughts
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Feb 15, 2021 16:27
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Silver Alicorn posted:how is gentoo doing these days? haven't used it since the aughts No idea; I haven't used it since the early 2000s as well. I decided I wasn't an edgy teenage spergloard. 
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Feb 15, 2021 16:35
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A janitor-free linux sounds like a linux that can break even more often to me, but i don't know much
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Last Chance posted:A janitor-free linux sounds like a linux that can break even more often to me, but i don't know much In my experience, there are three main types of Linux users: - Those that only use LTS versions of common distros (CentOS, Ubuntu xx.04, official Debian releases.) These require very little to no janitoring other than updates. - Those that get the latest release version (Fedora, the newest version of Ubuntu, Debian testing, etc..) Usually stable requires a small amount of janitoring from time to time. - Those that go, full computer janitor, rolling release distro (Arch, Gentoo, Debian unstable.) These are for people who like to janitor their poo poo. The older you get, the more likely you end up in the first category. FlapYoJacks fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Feb 15, 2021 |
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Feb 15, 2021 16:40
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the zeroth category being abandoning linux for a real OS?
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Silver Alicorn posted:the zeroth category being abandoning linux for a real OS? Other OS’ require the same amount or more janitoring.
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DoomTrainPhD posted:Other OS’ require the same amount or more janitoring. things linux users actually believe
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Feb 15, 2021 16:51
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carry on then posted:things linux users actually believe I own a MacBook and a Windows laptop. Windows updates are atrocious and take forever, and every Mac OS update breaks a billion small things. Edit: My work laptop dual boots Windows and Linux, and I didn't update it for almost nine months as I was using my workstation at home instead. When I had to go into the office, I updated both Windows and Linux the night before. Linux: dnf update --refresh -y and reboot. Total time: 5 minutes Windows: Multiple updates, multiple reboots. Total time: Over an hour. Windows is a joke. FlapYoJacks fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Feb 15, 2021 |
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Feb 15, 2021 16:52
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macos just works for me, op
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Feb 15, 2021 16:56
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windows updates are bafflingly tedious
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i like the way every macos update, major or minor, will reset all your custom application permissions, because you might not have really meant to set them like that
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mycophobia posted:windows updates are bafflingly tedious they happen once a month, on the second tuesday of the month, unless there's an emergency patch. they get installed, and the system reboots if it's idle, or nags you to reboot if it's not. idk what else you run into. the biggest problem i've ever seen is microsoft deciding that captive ads for paid features on login is a good idea
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Feb 15, 2021 16:59
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DoomTrainPhD posted:Windows: Multiple updates, multiple reboots. Total time: Over an hour. this is definitely a problem if windows is unpatched for an extended time. the windows updates are packaged as cumulative, but the windows update mechanism was written by clowns and so will attempt to download and install all the intermediate updates chronologically anyway
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Feb 15, 2021 17:02
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mycophobia posted:windows updates are bafflingly tedious the last time i clean-installed windows 7 on something years ago, updates just didn't work and it took an hour of googling and manually installing files named things like kb420696669763825.exe to get them working again the grandma friendly os
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Feb 15, 2021 17:03
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The_Franz posted:the last time i clean-installed windows 7 on something years ago, updates just didn't work and it took an hour of googling and manually installing files named things like kb420696669763825.exe to get them working again this is actually a you problem
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Feb 15, 2021 17:12
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Silver Alicorn posted:how is gentoo doing these days? haven't used it since the aughts for some reason my home gentoo server boots up into systemd emergency mode every time, and i have to press ctrl-d to finish the boot process, the machine is in the basement and only gets rebooted for kernel updates every several weeks so i have not been motivated to figure this out or mess with it further maybe next time i swap out some hard drives for higher capacity ones
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The_Franz posted:the last time i clean-installed windows 7 on something years ago, updates just didn't work and it took an hour of googling and manually installing files named things like kb420696669763825.exe to get them working again yeah, and calculating which updates to install was (is?) at least quadratic runtime in the number of available updates, which was a huge problem when updates were small and individual instead of monthly cumulative i remember doing a favor for a friend and updating a laptop from xp to a clean install of windows 7 sp1, the "checking for updates" step literally took ~22 hours before showing the list of updates that could be installed, i think it was a 2.4ghz core 2 duo machine
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DoomTrainPhD posted:I own a MacBook and a Windows laptop. Windows updates are atrocious and take forever, and every Mac OS update breaks a billion small things. sounds like you're just bad at computers
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Feb 15, 2021 17:37
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Do Linux users drive-by threadshit the apple thread every few days the way you idiots threadshit this one?
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Feb 15, 2021 17:49
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that os you like? it's actually a pos
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Sapozhnik posted:Do Linux users drive-by threadshit the apple thread every few days the way you idiots threadshit this one? where the hell do you think you're posting lol
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Feb 15, 2021 18:08
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I'm trying out something called bhodi linux right now and it's kinda disappointing
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Feb 15, 2021 18:10
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also it wouldn't install on my P3 workstation for unclear reasons
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Feb 15, 2021 18:11
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Sapozhnik posted:Do Linux users drive-by threadshit the apple thread every few days the way you idiots threadshit this one? i'm sorry there are shitposts in the shitposts forum. if you'd like, sh/sc has a great thread where you can talk about linux with some guy that's obsessed with freebsd
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Feb 15, 2021 18:20
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Silver Alicorn posted:I'm trying out something called bhodi linux right now and it's kinda disappointing tell me more about this linux’s vision
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Feb 15, 2021 18:29
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I am currently attempting to build the Brave browser from source because the binary is not available on the official repos on Arch (though a binary is available on the AUR). I'm currently about 2 hours into the process and it has downloaded about 30 gigs of dependencies and has tied up my computer at 100% cpu usage putting this thing together. What a great experience.
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Feb 15, 2021 18:31
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enjoy mining bitcoins for some shithead
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Feb 15, 2021 18:34
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Can I stop a pacman build from source without it leaving the 30 gigs of poo poo it downloaded god knows where on my computer or do I have to wait for this garbage to finish before removing it?
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Feb 15, 2021 18:37
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i had to janitor my gentoo a little bit today to update from python 3.7 to python 3.8 less tedious to update stuff in gentoo nowadays than before though, less eselect cruft. what's left now, binutils-config and gcc-config? and perl-cleaner (shouldn't be necessary most of the times) (im talking about how many runtime things you have to fiddle with when choosing which version of things to use when compiling)
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Feb 15, 2021 18:43
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In other Linux news: Gnome 40 looks like a knockoff Mac OS clone.
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DoomTrainPhD posted:In other Linux news: Gnome 40 looks like a knockoff Mac OS clone. designers ripping off apple is not news
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Last Chance posted:designers ripping off apple is not news yeah, but they even stole the dock. https://youtu.be/nr5UladxSbk (sound off)
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Feb 15, 2021 18:50
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DoomTrainPhD posted:yeah, but they even stole the dock. what in the good christ is narrating that video? an anime bot? mods?
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Last Chance posted:what in the good christ is narrating that video? an anime bot? mods? DID I NOT SAY SOUND OFF?
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Last Chance posted:what in the good christ is narrating that video? an anime bot? mods? DoomTrainPhD posted:(sound off) yes, it's some german anime weeb weirdo
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Feb 15, 2021 19:00
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Silver Alicorn posted:I'm trying out something called
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Feb 15, 2021 19:00
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my new pc doesn’t update windows 10 anymore because important files are missing. seems to me like an update manager should automatically retrieve those files if they’re so important
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DoomTrainPhD posted:yeah, but they even stole the dock. The gently caress is with that TTV?
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