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Cael posted:*leans back in chair and tents fingers* so you admit that it IS a hive mind, just not the one we think it is. Interesting. Very interesting. No I will not accept other interpretations of your post. Fellow Snydernauts, beware! This poster knows too much.
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Cael posted:*leans back in chair and tents fingers* so you admit that it IS a hive mind, just not the one we think it is. Interesting. Very interesting. No I will not accept other interpretations of your post. 
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Feb 16, 2021 01:57
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bushisms.txt posted:He wasn't wrong because now you're calling his current films dark, and they aren't! what's interesting about Rorscharch in the movie and the Rorschach in the comic books, is that the movie (iirc) elides his batshit conservatism.
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Feb 16, 2021 02:02
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The Cine D hivemind compels you to discuss the artistry behind Bayformers.
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Shageletic posted:what's interesting about Rorscharch in the movie and the Rorschach in the comic books, is that the movie (iirc) elides his batshit conservatism. It may not be in the theatrical cut but in the Director's Cut he does at one point say that the lesbian superhero was killed for her "unnatural" lifestyle, or other words to that effect. There's some grafitti in the background describing that magazine he loves as right-wing too, and they're not exactly portrayed as a shining beacon of journalistic integrity when they do appear in their newsroom.
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I've seen a lot of bad movies, but until I saw Transformers: Age of Extinction I had never seen a movie that gave the the impression that it actively hated me.
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Phylodox posted:I've seen a lot of bad movies, but until I saw Transformers: Age of Extinction I had never seen a movie that gave the the impression that it actively hated me. It was so bad. I was so mad I waited so long for the dinosaurs
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Shageletic posted:what's interesting about Rorscharch in the movie and the Rorschach in the comic books, is that the movie (iirc) elides his batshit conservatism. I don’t remember if the movie has this or not but I thought it was interesting that that one post from earlier talks about how Rorschach is presented as cool in the comics because in the first issue we get a lot of his diary which is literally completely insane and rants about people being vermin and whores and he’s clearly shown as unhinged, and that’s without getting into the finger-breaking which is clearly intended as “hey in the real world this is actually very bad!”
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Feb 16, 2021 02:14
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Remember how Age of Extinction had a character who carried around a card that explained an obscure Texas law that let him date a high schooler
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Feb 16, 2021 02:14
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Blockhouse posted:Remember how Age of Extinction had a character who carried around a card that explained an obscure Texas law that let him date a high schooler I admit, I found that extremely funny. It's so loving sleazy lol some matt McConaughey dazed n confused vibes
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I watched them up to 3? When I really should have stopped at 1, but they said it had soundwave in it. 
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Shageletic posted:what's interesting about Rorscharch in the movie and the Rorschach in the comic books, is that the movie (iirc) elides his batshit conservatism. Not really. He's still an obvious bigot that regularly calls women whores and thinks purely in black and white terms. If anything, I think the difference is that while Alan Moore regrets writing him so sympathetically, Snyder doesn't mind that people sympathize with the mentally ill homeless man. I think a lot of people like to point out that Zack Snyder didn't "get" Watchmen, but I'm not so sure what it is he's not "getting" with the comic and his adaptation. It's not that you're supposed to hate Rorshach or that violence is bad. It's that the morality of superheroes can not survive a capitalist system. It will only lead to "heroes" like Veidt taking their heroism to the most extreme conclusion: That it is good and just to slaughter millions to save the rest. The key to Rorshach, I think, is that he chooses to die rather than keep this a secret.  He even sheds his "face" as Rorshach and dies as Walter Kovacs. For all of his faults, all of his bigotries, and all of his actions: Rorshach is still the only one who chooses to not be complicit. I love Watchmen, as the comic and as the film adaptation. I think a lot of people get caught up on Rorshach, all of his unpleasant qualities, and act like the whole comic is about making GBS threads on him. I don't think I've ever seen people concerned about "Wait, people think Ozymandias was right to murder millions?"
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Blockhouse posted:Remember how Age of Extinction had a character who carried around a card that explained an obscure Texas law that let him date a high schooler This is genuinely the only thing I remember about that film. I'm not even sure if I've ever seen it all the way through.
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Escobarbarian posted:I don’t remember if the movie has this or not but I thought it was interesting that that one post from earlier talks about how Rorschach is presented as cool in the comics because in the first issue we get a lot of his diary which is literally completely insane and rants about people being vermin and whores and he’s clearly shown as unhinged, and that’s without getting into the finger-breaking which is clearly intended as “hey in the real world this is actually very bad!” He does all those things in the movie too.
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I would rather watch Age of Extinction 10 times over end to end than see a minute of Revenge of the Fallen when Skids and Mudflap are on screen. Also come on, Stanley Tucci slamming a blackboard as he literally yells "ALGORITHSM! MATH!"? Perfection. Release the Tucci cut of Age of Extinction where it's just his scenes. THAT's a perfect movie.
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Blockhouse posted:Remember how Age of Extinction had a character who carried around a card that explained an obscure Texas law that let him date a high schooler The very fact that the whole movie grinds to a complete loving halt for like two, two and a half minutes so the sleazy-looking boyfriend character can explain to Mark Wahlberg why it's totes okay for him to bang Wahlberg's teenaged daughter is - bar none - the single most baffling cinematic decision of the 2010s. I do not understand how anybody from script to final cut thought this scene was a good idea and allowed it to make it to the release.
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Feb 16, 2021 02:22
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cargohills posted:He does all those things in the movie too. Right, so in that case, it comes down to aesthetics. The comic doesn’t have stylised action, really, whereas the movie has all the slow-motion ultra-stylised “gently caress yeah look at this cool fighting” thing going on, which is where the issue lies.
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Feb 16, 2021 02:24
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Phylodox posted:I've seen a lot of bad movies, but until I saw Transformers: Age of Extinction I had never seen a movie that gave the the impression that it actively hated me. It started with Transformers 2 and continued all the way through. Prime is a monster.
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Escobarbarian posted:Right, so in that case, it comes down to aesthetics. The comic doesn’t have stylised action, really, whereas the movie has all the slow-motion ultra-stylised “gently caress yeah look at this cool fighting” thing going on, which is where the issue lies. I’m not sure why people think it’s cool. The violence is horrific and brutal and visceral and doesn’t shy away.
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Escobarbarian posted:I don’t remember if the movie has this or not but I thought it was interesting that that one post from earlier talks about how Rorschach is presented as cool in the comics because in the first issue we get a lot of his diary which is literally completely insane and rants about people being vermin and whores and he’s clearly shown as unhinged, and that’s without getting into the finger-breaking which is clearly intended as “hey in the real world this is actually very bad!” I mean you can pretend that people didn’t think Rorschach wasn’t cool in the comic before the movie but this is completely divorced from reality. Alan Moore has even acknowledged the unintended fans the character has: quote:I wanted to kind of make this like, ‘Yeah, this is what Batman would be in the real world.’ But I had forgotten that actually to a lot of comic fans that smelling, not having a girlfriend—these are actually kind of heroic. So actually, sort of, Rorschach became the most popular character in Watchmen. I meant him to be a bad example, but I have people come up to me in the street saying, ‘I am Rorschach! That is my story!’ And I’ll be thinking, ‘Yeah, great, can you just keep away from me and never come anywhere near me again for as long as I live?’” https://www.stevensurman.com/rorschach-from-alan-moores-watchmen-does-he-set-a-bad-example/
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Ghosthotel posted:I mean you can pretend that people didn’t think Rorschach wasn’t cool in the comic before the movie but this is completely divorced from reality. Alan more has even acknowledged the unintended fans the character has: That wasn’t what I was saying at all, though. Obviously there are people who think that way. But they’re wrong.
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Want to make the Bayformer films MORE insane? There's a secret crossover:IMDB posted:Travis Van Winkle plays a character named Trent, the same name as his character Trent DeMarco from Transformers (2007) which was directed by Michael Bay. According to Bay himself, this is the same character, revealing that both this movie and that franchise occur in the same universe. That other film? The 2009 reboot/remake of "Friday the 13th".
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Alan Moore saying “turns out some people think smelling and not having a girlfriend is good, actually” is not the same as him saying “drat, I really hosed up with this one”
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Escobarbarian posted:That wasn’t what I was saying at all, though. Obviously there are people who think that way. But they’re wrong. Right but this goes back to Snyder supposedly not getting the comic because he made Rorschach “cool”. It’s an issue with the source material that has been around since it finished it’s run.
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Davros1 posted:Want to make the Bayformer films MORE insane? There's a secret crossover: drat, Jason might be the only hope we have of stopping Prime
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Escobarbarian posted:Right, so in that case, it comes down to aesthetics. The comic doesn’t have stylised action, really, whereas the movie has all the slow-motion ultra-stylised “gently caress yeah look at this cool fighting” thing going on, which is where the issue lies. I wouldn't say the comic has particularly realistic violence, partly just by the nature of being a comic, since splash panels focusing on a particular blow will give you the same sort of emphasis as a slow-mo shot will - and you can see they use a flash of red colour in that page when Rorschach's fellow prisoner pulls a blade on him.
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MacheteZombie posted:drat, Jason might be the only hope we have of stopping Prime That version of Prime would probably team up with Jason.
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Escobarbarian posted:Right, so in that case, it comes down to aesthetics. The comic doesn’t have stylised action, really, whereas the movie has all the slow-motion ultra-stylised “gently caress yeah look at this cool fighting” thing going on, which is where the issue lies. his death is framed as more of a tragedy in the movie as well, both in ways that are pretty clear (the choice in music, Nite Owl) and ways that could be debated (leaving behind an actual rorschach, that is, an image with no inherent meaning, only the interpretation you give it yourself. Is it just there to make the scene cooler, or is it meant to make you question whether his death was good or bad? SHRUG) edit: Nite Owl is not Owlman double edit: but then again the dramatic music and Nite Owl screaming his lungs out could also just be framed as making it more cinematic. Anal ysis Lunatic Sledge fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Feb 16, 2021 |
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Karloff posted:I got to be honest, I feel this thread is far nicer to people who like Snyder films than the Snyderdome is to people who don't. That's because one of the mods really likes one of Snyder's DC movies a lot. He's a Pro Snyder partisan hack. Vince MechMahon posted:I would be 100% in favor of a blanket ban on Snyder talk in this thread. In case you missed it there's a movie coming out March 18th that needs discussion. But after that, come April, Snyder Talk will be verboten in this thread. The reason is that one of the mods hates Snyder Talk and thinks that it makes everything worse. He's an Anti Snyder partisan hack.
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Mal-3 posted:The very fact that the whole movie grinds to a complete loving halt for like two, two and a half minutes so the sleazy-looking boyfriend character can explain to Mark Wahlberg why it's totes okay for him to bang Wahlberg's teenaged daughter is - bar none - the single most baffling cinematic decision of the 2010s. I do not understand how anybody from script to final cut thought this scene was a good idea and allowed it to make it to the release. The question I have is why not just make the guy a slightly older guy that attends her school instead of a grown rear end man trying to bang a teenager. Or better yet just drop they sub plot entirely.
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Escobarbarian posted:I’m guessing almost anyone who isn’t a fan has been driven away over the years by ad hominem/strawman nonsense and the sight of people twisting themselves into knots rather than convince themselves these movies are flawless I'm pretty sure every one has some issue with BvS, even the cined approved black and white cut had controversial edits within the dome. They just don't entertain bad faith takes based on media outside the film. Snyder is called a fascist emboldening objectivist dude bro, so what are his fans? Clutching your pearls at people asking for clarification to inane takes doesn't change that.
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the pedophile license scene is easily in my top 3 How Did This Scene Get Made scenes, alongside the flute scene in Alien Covenant and Jason Vorhees shaving a dude's moustache
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X-O posted:That's because one of the mods really likes one of Snyder's DC movies a lot. He's a Pro Snyder partisan hack. 
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JT Smiley posted:The question I have is why not just make the guy a slightly older guy that attends her school instead of a grown rear end man trying to bang a teenager. Or better yet just drop they sub plot entirely. Because it hates you and wants you to suffer. Transformer: Age of Extinction graphically kills off TJ Miller and even that isn't able to redeem it. Lunatic Sledge posted:the pedophile license scene is easily in my top 3 How Did This Scene Get Made scenes, alongside the flute scene in Alien Covenant and Jason Vorhees shaving a dude's moustache Jason Goes to Hell made absolutely no sense to me until I mentally re-framed it as a TV movie that exists diegetically within the Friday the 13th universe, and then it became awesome.
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Blade is a good movie. I hope the MCU Blade is rated R or it just won't compare.
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You’ll get plasma hands and you’ll like it!
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A talking coyote posted:I watched them up to 3? When I really should have stopped at 1, but they said it had soundwave in it. I think I watched them all, or half of them. Somewhow. But I swear I can't remember much of the plot.
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A talking coyote posted:You’ll get plasma hands and you’ll like it! I would like it
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JT Smiley posted:The question I have is why not just make the guy a slightly older guy that attends her school instead of a grown rear end man trying to bang a teenager. Or better yet just drop they sub plot entirely. I know, right? You would think that somebody somewhere would see this in the script or the storyboard or the dailies and go "wait what?" and it'd get pulled but no... Though if we take Phylodox's thesis in account, this being a withering statement of contempt for... everybody, I guess... I don't know if it makes sense but at least it holds up a little.
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