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also CDC saying ~1 in 100,000 are having an adverse reaction to the covid vaccination. that's higher than flu vaccination, but still ridiculously low. that's what, ~250 people in australia?
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Feb 16, 2021 08:25
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BrigadierSensible posted:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-16/scott-morrison-apologises-over-staffer-rape-allegation-handling/13158326 I’m shocked, shocked, to find that there is gambling going on in here. It’s a terrible disgrace that just like in other male dominated fields such as banking and medicine, young woman (yes it happens to everyone but it’s overwhelmingly happening to young woman) are forced to choose between the possibility of a successful career and seeing justice served. Pursuing the “avenues for support offered” are career suicide.
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Feb 16, 2021 08:55
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I think people need to realise that even with the vaccines - it is highly likely, if not certain that covid isn't going to go away. It may become less or more virulent or infectious over different years dependent on strains but it will hardly be newsworthy anymore (unless there's a bad year), but it won't be suddenly eliminated like small pox was - which took 200 years. The borders will eventually have to open. The whole point of the lockdown and social distancing and closing borders was to not have the vast majority of the population get smashed with a disease that 100% of the population is vulnerable to. Vaccines will provide enough protection that a whole slew of people won't die every day for a year or two until herd immunity is reached. I predict next year is going to be pretty cooked as cases of influenza have been basically non-existent since the introduction of lockdowns and quarantine for international travelers. Which is loving astounding seeing there were over 700 deaths from flu in 2019) Unfortunately the vulnerable people that didn't die from flu last year or this year are going to be hit VERY hard when international travel occurs again and social distancing isn't a thing anymore, or if enough people don't get the fluvax or the fluvax doesn't cover the dominant flu type that's circulating. And yes - people who are immunocompromised are responsible for their own health and welfare when it comes to airborne/droplet viruses and bacteria. Nothing is really going to change for one of my friends with cystic fibrosis who's had a double lung transplant. These people constantly have to be careful with hygiene etc. It's not libertarian thought - it's one based in reality.
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Feb 16, 2021 09:09
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BrigadierSensible posted:One of the more horrible parts for me is that after this woman was raped, she was called into the very room where she was raped, (the minister's office), to discuss her allegations. Once again reliving her trauma.
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Feb 16, 2021 09:22
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Budzilla posted:I can't seem to find this mentioned anywhere. Very horrible if true. Scotty apologised for it explicitly
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Feb 16, 2021 09:23
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Pleasant Friend posted:Are you sure about that? I think a significant proportion of society is desperate to get back to 'normal' as soon as possible, some of the population, including a few politicians, were willing to open up with no vaccine at all. This being an election year, it makes it even harder to tell the public that the AZ vaccine isn't going to be enough to open borders. I'm not sure about anything, but reasonably confident, yeah. "Normal" in Australia post-COVID means being able to travel interstate again for holidays and to see family; most people I think won't gripe too much about not travelling overseas for another year or two because most of us don't do it every year anyway, unless we're going to Bali or Thailand (easily swapped for Cairns or Fiji, if we get a Pacific bubble) or unless we're in the hyper-rich 5% who go skiing in Europe every year (and who gives a gently caress about them). There is enough (misjudged IMO) wariness of the AZ vaccine already floating around that I think if the government says "it doesn't prevent transmission enough to achieve herd immunity so lots of us are still vulnerable until we can source enough Pfizer," then most people will accept that. Also it's not just an on/off binary - we could maintain hotel quarantine in varying forms, let international students in from China and Vietnam and other relatively safe countries, permit Australians to depart the country on the understanding that they still have to quarantine on return (plenty of people going overseas for longer work contracts or backpacking trips would be okay with that). No matter when or how it happens I expect it will be quite gradual. Re: political pressure, it's not an election year - that's 2022 - and anyway I don't think open-the-borders sentiment will be sharp enough to swing an election. The only harping on about opening up comes from the danker parts of state-based Liberal parties and out-of-favour types like Abbott. On both a federal and a state level the government response has been broadly bipartisan and competent and I don't expect that to change.
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Feb 16, 2021 09:33
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alf_pogs posted:Scotty apologised for it explicitly
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alf_pogs posted:Scotty apologised for it explicitly OK.
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Feb 16, 2021 09:37
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MythLisp posted:I think people need to realise that even with the vaccines - it is highly likely, if not certain that covid isn't going to go away. It may become less or more virulent or infectious over different years dependent on strains but it will hardly be newsworthy anymore (unless there's a bad year), but it won't be suddenly eliminated like small pox was - which took 200 years. The borders will eventually have to open. The borders don’t have to open at all actually.
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Feb 16, 2021 09:41
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hambeet posted:YOU CAN'T MAKE ME WASH MY HANDS JBM lost consciousness and died a short time after police decided to take him into protective custody at Vestys Beach in Darwin in September 2016. He had been bashed by two people the night before. That morning he had asked a council ranger to call an ambulance because his back hurt, and that request was passed on to the police call centre, but not recorded or acted on. Police arrived two hours after the request for an ambulance. They called an ambulance and performed CPR but he died at the scene. ISSUES RAISED Medical care required but not all given, procedures not all followed, mental health / cognitive impairment.
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Feb 16, 2021 10:29
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freebooter posted:I'm not sure about anything, but reasonably confident, yeah. "Normal" in Australia post-COVID means being able to travel interstate again for holidays and to see family; most people I think won't gripe too much about not travelling overseas for another year or two because most of us don't do it every year anyway, unless we're going to Bali or Thailand (easily swapped for Cairns or Fiji, if we get a Pacific bubble) or unless we're in the hyper-rich 5% who go skiing in Europe every year (and who gives a gently caress about them). There is enough (misjudged IMO) wariness of the AZ vaccine already floating around that I think if the government says "it doesn't prevent transmission enough to achieve herd immunity so lots of us are still vulnerable until we can source enough Pfizer," then most people will accept that. I understand that borders reopening is a complex and difficult topic that for a lot of people will not have an acceptable answer but I'd like to add that there are tens of thousands of Australians and visa holders who are either by no fault of their own still effectively not able to travel home and a lot of partners / family who have been separated unable to see each other - Zoom and calls are just not a substitute for physical proximity. The issue of borders is not just about rich buggering off or people wanting to go to Bali, there's a hell of a lot of people in bad situations where only a relative return to some ability to cross the border will help. Also as I have added its not Australian citizens that have these issues - visa holders are also affected and there has been no end of horror stories of say people who have overseas partners struggling to reunite. One of the big problems in even getting a flight home is that airlines are not really willing to fly to Australia as no one is really leaving. Seats are expensive and there has been a myrid of cancellation problems. A lot of the visas in question have time limitations which in the main are not being extended (what about a couple that have just been granted a visa for the offshore partner to come in? The visa condition says you got one year to make first entry, what if you just cant get here under the current conditions?) At some point I think they will loosen up for vaccinated people at which point travel will be easier. While I get it, travel restrictions have to be in place at some point they have to be opened up for the tens of thousands who need to travel for family reasons at the least.
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Feb 16, 2021 10:30
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MythLisp posted:I think people need to realise that even with the vaccines - it is highly likely, if not certain that covid isn't going to go away. It may become less or more virulent or infectious over different years dependent on strains but it will hardly be newsworthy anymore (unless there's a bad year), but it won't be suddenly eliminated like small pox was - which took 200 years. The borders will eventually have to open. How does "public health is a public responsibility", when talking about infectious diseases such as influenza and covid, in any way preclude people with suppressed immune systems also managing their own safety & hygeine? Do you get your yearly flu vaccinations? If you thought you had an infectious respiritory infection, would you visit your friend who is immunocompromised?
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Feb 16, 2021 10:40
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GoldStandardConure posted:If you thought you had an infectious respiritory infection, would you visit your friend who is immunocompromised? Tbh you'd be amazed how often this happened before covid. People are a bit better now but also I am a deranged hermit so it's possible they are just avoiding me for other reasons
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Feb 16, 2021 11:01
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GoldStandardConure posted:How does "public health is a public responsibility", when talking about infectious diseases such as influenza and covid, in any way preclude people with suppressed immune systems also managing their own safety & hygeine? Easy questions I work in the health field. Yes I get my yearly flu vaccination. No I wouldn't visit my immunocompromised friend if I had a respiratory illness - just like you shouldn't be turning up to a nursing home with flu symptoms because outbreaks can make a few people sick or kill them. This was happening before covid. That being said, pathogens such as mycobacterium avium complex that the general population doesn't give a poo poo about is dangerous for people with cystic fibrosis which sometimes leaves people in hospital rooms for months on their own while they get diagnosed and treated. ...and that bug is found naturally the environment so you could be eating it, drinking it or breathing it in without any clue. If we really wanted to stop these emerging diseases such as swine flu, MERS, SARS etc from infecting the human population, we would stop industrial farming livestock and encroaching on the habitat of wild animals.
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Feb 16, 2021 11:17
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Malcolm Turnbeug posted:Tbh you'd be amazed how often this happened before covid. People are a bit better now but also I am a deranged hermit so it's possible they are just avoiding me for other reasons Yea 70% of the flu testing in hospitals would be people in aged care over the age of 75 generally. Covid testing would have shaken that demographic up hugely.
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Feb 16, 2021 11:19
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MythLisp posted:Easy questions How do you work in the health field and not think that public health is a public responsibility? Via things like getting their vaccinations, wearing a mask, not going to work sick, not sneezing on people in public etc.
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Feb 16, 2021 11:21
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MythLisp posted:Yes I get my yearly flu vaccination. i mean this sounds an awful lot like you are taking a just a wee bit of responsibility to make sure you don't accidently infect or injure someone else, rather than just going "well she'll be right, they can take care of themselves"
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Feb 16, 2021 11:25
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GoldStandardConure posted:How do you work in the health field and not think that public health is a public responsibility? Via things like getting their vaccinations, wearing a mask, not going to work sick, not sneezing on people in public etc. What the hell. I never stated for public health to stop doing any of those things. I was referring that people who are immunocompromised have to take extra precautions every day, so are in effect responsible for their own health in a more conscientious way that the general population isn't. And that keeping the borders shut once the vast majority of the population is vaccinated doesn't make sense. Though covid will still be around, just not as we have known it for the last year and at much lower levels even if we aren't socially distancing anymore.
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Feb 16, 2021 11:29
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Old man Gsc forgot who he was going off at last page and now thinks it’s myth.
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Feb 16, 2021 11:37
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MythLisp posted:What the hell. Sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying in the conversation, but you did say MythLisp posted:And yes - people who are immunocompromised are responsible for their own health and welfare when it comes to airborne/droplet viruses and bacteria. Nothing is really going to change for one of my friends with cystic fibrosis who's had a double lung transplant. These people constantly have to be careful with hygiene etc. It's not libertarian thought - it's one based in reality. in the same conversation where someone someone claimed: Launchpad McQuack posted:No it isn't. I am very sorry but it isn't. There is a level of personal responsibility. You can't trust anyone with your health but yourself. about public health. I know people who have compromised immune systems have to be careful in their lives. I nevers said they don't have to be responsible for their own health and hygeine. Its not easy for them. It would be a lot easier if other people showed a bit of empathy and didn't ignore poo poo like health advice on vaccinations, masks, hand washing, going to work sick etc. Rather than just screaming "no its all personal responsibility its not my problem if you get sick when I cough on you"
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Feb 16, 2021 11:37
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hambeet posted:Old man Gsc forgot who he was going off at last page and now thinks it’s myth. gently caress you ham beet i'll go off at you in a minute
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Feb 16, 2021 11:37
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Feb 16, 2021 11:39
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Feb 16, 2021 12:02
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I’m glad someone has stepped up to the plate to explain to GSC what being immunocompromised entails, it’s about fuckin time
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Feb 16, 2021 12:42
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Feb 16, 2021 12:47
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Hey, just imagine if we'd globally pursued an elimination strategy and as of like 6 months ago would have never had to think about covid again.. good times.
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Feb 16, 2021 12:53
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MythLisp posted:I think people need to realise that even with the vaccines - it is highly likely, if not certain that covid isn't going to go away. It may become less or more virulent or infectious over different years dependent on strains but it will hardly be newsworthy anymore (unless there's a bad year), but it won't be suddenly eliminated like small pox was - which took 200 years. The borders will eventually have to open. 5
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Feb 16, 2021 13:14
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hooman posted:Hey, just imagine if we'd globally pursued an elimination strategy and as of like 6 months ago would have never had to think about covid again.. Six months ago it was already endemic. The best last chance was in the early days of when it got into Europe and the US (Jan?). Once established in places like Brazil, Russia, South Asia and Africa - it was likely never going to go away and definitely not going away for a very long time.
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https://twitter.com/cameronwilson/status/1361531191346618373 How did you first come across [disproven and unproven COVID-19 treatments]? KELLY: I’ll tell ya how it started. A good 9 months ago someone sent me a YouTube video of a doctor […] He said ‘I’ve got information for the president of the United States, I’ve got this therapy and it’s highly successful, I’ve got to get this message to him.’ And I thought to myself, that’s a good, positive message […] Before I posted it, I checked the credibility of it. He had this long Jewish beard. He looked a bit … I looked him up to see that he was on the up and up and I satisfied myself. So I posted it to Facebook.
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Feb 16, 2021 23:11
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Craig Kelley has severe Facebook boomer brain
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Feb 16, 2021 23:30
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I only found out the other day that Kelly is a Sydney MP. He has Queensland written all over him.
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Feb 16, 2021 23:35
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Tommunist posted:Craig Kelley has severe Facebook boomer brain He represents his electorate well then.
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Feb 16, 2021 23:39
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freebooter posted:I only found out the other day that Kelly is a Sydney MP. He has Queensland written all over him. As a qlder, I always get surprised when I realise Barnaby isn't a qlder I looked it up just to make sure and he had a run as a senator here apparently which makes perfect sense
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Feb 16, 2021 23:56
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huh, victoria is coming out of lockdown? I thought they had a bunch of community transmission
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crepeface posted:huh, victoria is coming out of lockdown? I thought they had a bunch of community transmission Nope and the reason they don't have a bunch of community transmission is because of the lockdown.
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The community transmission was in already locked down cases afaik. E: close contacts of positive cases testing positive.
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