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Qwertycoatl posted:What should you do if you don't have a solicitor and the police want to talk to you? Can you pull out your phone and start googling solicitors or do you have to accept one the police provide or what? If you are a suspect, it will either be obvious (handcuffs, vans, irritating risk assessment questions, poo poo tea), or the police should make it clear that you're a suspect when they contact you. If they don't, ask. If they avoid the question, complain. It'll annoy the officer and it's an easy win. If you are a suspect, you should only be asked questions about the offence in an interview that complies with PACE, and you should say nothing to them that is in any way about the offence that is not in such an interview, unless specifically advised otherwise. You can talk to them about other things. Particularly if you've been arrested, you'll get asked questions at the custody desk after your detention has been authorised about yourself, and you should answer these as honestly as possible; they should be solely about your welfare while you're at the police station. In addition, if you don't give a name and address, you will find yourself being held in custody until your identity can be confirmed; this is so the courts can find you again if you need to appear. You always have the right to legal advice before and during any interview, which is both free of charge and independent of the police. You can provide the name of an individual solicitor, or a firm. If you want to look up firms yourself, look for their website to say "legal aid" or "free of charge". If you don't care, you can ask the police to provide a duty solicitor. This is done by ringing an independent call centre and saying "I need a solicitor for Place X on Date Y at Time Z for someone who's suspected of Offence A". The call centre then arranges attendance from a firm local to the police station. Most of these firms will also be firms you could find yourself on Google. For most things there is not that much difference in the quality of advice you could arrange yourself, over the quality of advice you'll get from playing lucky dip with the DSCC. This is not America; you will not end up lumbered with an overworked public defender who has five minutes to defend 400 cases. Of course there are crap duty solicitors, but the days of the police directly ringing their pet duty who only ever advises people "admit it and you'll get a caution" are mostly over. The only times I would say it's really worth asking for a particular firm is if you're attending a protest, or if you think you want to sue the police. Then you ask for someone from the likes of Hodge Jones & Allen or Bindmans, who specialise in protest law and the Human Rights Act, and as mentioned above you've got the phone number written on your arm, saved in your phone, and in any other place you want to keep it. When the interview comes, your rep will first sit down with the police and be given some information about what the allegation is and what evidence they have. The police don't have to tell the rep everything, and they are allowed to hold some things back to test your account; but they're not allowed to lie about what they have, and they do have to give enough information to allow your rep to properly advise you. Then your rep asks you for your side of the story, tells you about what the evidence is, and gives you some advice on what you should say, or not say, in interview. The more truthful you are, the better they can advise you. This conversation is secret and legally privileged and the police are not allowed to listen to it. Then you go into interview and it's up to you whether or not you follow the advice. Sometimes it's best to give an account; sometimes it's best to give a prepared statement but refuse to answer questions; sometimes it's best to go straight no comment; sometimes it's best to admit an offence and say how remorseful you are.
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Has Are Jezza had his yet? I assume he must have given he's 71 and my mam's in the next cohort down and she had hers on Friday.
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Trin Tragula posted:Then your rep asks you for your side of the story, tells you about what the evidence is, and gives you some advice on what you should say, or not say, in interview. The more truthful you are, the better they can advise you. This conversation is secret and legally privileged and the police are not allowed to listen to it. This was one thing I wasn't sure about - if you tell a solicitor that you definitely committed a crime and there's evidence here and here, doesnt the solicitor then have some kind of obligation that they know of a crime and could therefore only advise you to either no comment the interview or tell the truth? Not that you should fib to the police, but I was under the impression that you shouldn't tell your solicitor absolutely everything (at the very least because they laugh about it back at the office) I was also under the impression that anyone is entitled to Legal Aid for an allegation of a criminal offence, which most of the time translates to whatever duty solicitor is about at the time. People only tended to refer to our firm directly as they had multiple contacts with the police or were in a gang or whatever.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Feel like pure poo poo, just want Bamber Boozler back
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Corbyn lost because of weak political tactics and instincts (which is no knock against him as a person at all). For example in the debate with Johnson where he refused to have a clear view on Brexit and basically deferred the decision. In retrospect he would have been far better off saying "we have to respect the will of the people and leave" or the like and forgetting about appeasing the Lib Dem vote (even though personally I've always been very anti-Brexit and still am). Most people are going to have like 5-10 minutes worth of real exposure to the candidates going into the election and the big thing they come away with is Corbyn essentially saying "I don't know" to the hot topic of the day. Or wasting huge amounts of time, effort and political will writing a massive (albeit very impressive) manifesto that absolutely nobody who hasn't got a locked in vote either way will ever read. "Get Brexit done", an idiotic 3 word phrase, made a thousand times more impact than the Labour manifesto made or ever will make. Corbyn needed to focus on winning instead of being the perfect candidate to the already enamoured. Be the perfect Prime Minister when you get the job. Of course his own party sabotaged the gently caress out of him which was a massive handicap to overcome on top of the incredible media hackjob that attacked him at every opportunity. Corbyn still could have won though or at least got a score draw like 2017.
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I remember teletext cards for PCs being a thing. Not TV cards, just teletext. Presumably so you could do Bamboozled in HyperTerminal.
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justcola posted:This was one thing I wasn't sure about - if you tell a solicitor that you definitely committed a crime and there's evidence here and here, doesnt the solicitor then have some kind of obligation that they know of a crime and could therefore only advise you to either no comment the interview or tell the truth? Not that you should fib to the police, but I was under the impression that you shouldn't tell your solicitor absolutely everything (at the very least because they laugh about it back at the office) If we're coming at this from the angle of something like, I was there as part of a legitimate process of dissent and I'm taking a moral stand, I did the thing the police said I did and I don't think it should be a criminal matter, fine. Tell your specialist solicitor that, and see where you end up. You knew what you were getting yourself into, that's why you're talking to a human rights specialist and not any old sod. At the worst, they''ll be able to bring you buckets of mitigation. At best they may be able to prove that the police acted unlawfully and what you were doing was not illegal - but to get there, they need to know exactly what you were doing, and what was in your mind at the time. For general criminal issues: if you want to give instructions that are truthful to a point, or a complete cock and bull story that matches what you think the police know, fair enough. Plenty of people play that game, plenty of people get away with it. Unless we're trying to run a legal defence that flips the burden of proof, it's on the police to prove you're chatting poo poo. You can always go guilty at first hearing if need be, or take your chances at trial. Just don't be surprised if your carefully-prepared statement gets demolished by something we didn't know the police had, and don't complain if you lose the out of court disposal that was on the table if you'd just made admissions and not tried to lie, which is usually far preferable to a conviction. Reputable solicitors don't exist to help people get away with crimes. If you need the other sort of solicitor, you probably know how to find them; if you don't, then you shouldn't play big boy games until you figure it out.
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Switzerland appears to still have teletext and naturally has the price of gold on the first news page. http://mobile.txt.ch/SRF1/102/
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From earlier, we had a copper come in to chat with us at school and it was actually much more effective than most of your stories (And I presume most of the talks people get). He wasn't really friendly but he treated us as if not quite equals at least people with serious questions and opinions, from what I remember he answered things in a straightforward manner without really bullshitting, he didn't play things up like drugs being the devil (It was more 'drugs can really easily go wrong or get you addicted, and dealers are extremely unpleasant people, so best not take the risk' than 'one toke of the devil's lettuce and you'll kill your gran') and when someone tried to steer the conversation in a salacious "What's the worst thing you've ever seen?" direction he answered - and this was to a bunch of 11 and 12 year olds - unflinchingly about some very unpleasant stuff and stopped the line of questioning easily. Seems like a bloke like that would be much more effective at both humanizing the polis and getting kids to listen to what they say than the usual hyperbolic shite.
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We had a copper who came in and spent an hour telling us drugs were bad without any context, then asked if we should be worried if a friend has drugs in their house. I put my hand up and said yes and he said that was wrong because the drugs might be prescription meds. Very mixed messages imo and definitely ruined my life.
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i don't remember ever being told drugs were bad in school really outside of the panic when leah betts died and even then i thought drinking all that water was stupid rather than the drugs after they showed us a show about her not being able to piss on mdma is awful and i'm glad it didn't last very long when i started taking sertraline
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Someone managed to do the same to themselves trying to win a Nintendo Wii so yeah there's definitely a better teachable lesson there.knox_harrington posted:Switzerland appears to still have teletext and naturally has the price of gold on the first news page.
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Seems to me the lesson from Leah Betts is to not drink water
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Ms Adequate posted:Seems to me the lesson from Leah Betts is to not drink water Filthy stuff. Have you seen what fish do in it?
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Water is definitely a gateway drug, as you will become addicted to it and resent its absence.
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I heard it's made by Nestle anyway.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Water is definitely a gateway drug, as you will become addicted to it and resent its absence. It’s true, and if you take too much... you die.
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Jose posted:i don't remember ever being told drugs were bad in school really outside of the panic when leah betts died and even then i thought drinking all that water was stupid rather than the drugs after they showed us a show about her Except by that point that picture had been put on the front page of every newspaper and was being shown regularly on TV, so if anything by that point we were all kind of bored of it.
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Flayer posted:Corbyn lost because of weak political tactics and instincts This seems to be a weakness for the left in general- the whole when they go low, we go high doesn't really work against an opponent who will declare irregularities in a vote they lost, and then prevent a re-run because there aren't enough pens. In advance of Corbyn taking power we'd never had chance to see the degree of hatred within Labour HQ for a left wing leader, because there hadn't really been one for 25 years. So I can sympathise with him expecting some respect for his leadership and then being blindsided when even the rugs try to trip him up. In the longer run though, he could have learned quicker that gentle politics won't work on people who loathe you.
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World-beating £22bn test and trace system strikes again: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/16/uk-amazon-workers-false-covid-test-results quote:Thousands of UK Amazon workers given false Covid test results
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I would say that giving amazon workers incorrect instructions to bunk off work and self-isolate is, if not medically accurate, at least a net societal positive
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it owns so much that the media were just begging to give him an easy ride and he wasted all that goodwill by not having a single actual policy now the knives are out and he's about to find out what happens to your polling when the papers have decided you've outlived your usefulness as a patsy it's going to be glorious and I cannot wait 
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Almost all better than Labour https://twitter.com/BBCArchive/status/1361680229769469952
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Niric posted:This is far, far too quick and easy to use to properly evoke the nostalgia of waiting for teletext to do something and getting increasingly frustrated at it Also it occasionally needs to gently caress up and have half the characters replaced with garbage
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Endjinneer posted:This seems to be a weakness for the left in general- the whole when they go low, we go high doesn't really work against an opponent who will declare irregularities in a vote they lost, and then prevent a re-run because there aren't enough pens. I really don't think it would have changed things. Remember we're talking about a group who already had the purges that never happened branded as Stalinist. On the rare occasion Corbyn did go down the route of playing politics, they would gleefully exclaim "see, he's just another politician like the rest of us!" as though it were not a sad indictment of their own careers. CoolCab has it right - you can't win honestly from the left, but you have to play squeaky clean because any wrong step you take is repeated in the news for weeks
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Good news everyone, housing crises solved! Convex posted:Also it occasionally needs to gently caress up and have half the characters replaced with garbage
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Trin Tragula posted:Reputable solicitors don't exist to help people get away with crimes. If you need the other sort of solicitor, you probably know how to find them; if you don't, then you shouldn't play big boy games until you figure it out. A strip mall in Albuquerque?
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