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Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004


nukes, eh

wonder what started up that old chestnut again

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Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016
I wouldn't worry too much about the nukes given that climate change is guaranteed to kill everything

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




they'll just get the air force to spray sulfur into the air and we'll live in acid rain world until we nuke each other like god intended

rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

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OutOfPrint posted:

I think there is something to the idea that certain narratives in conspiracy theories are pushed in order to ridicule those theories, with the king of all conspiracy theory terminating narratives being antisemitism.

It's no wonder why antisemitism and conspiracy theories seem to go hand in hand; antisemitism is largely based on the idea that Jewish people, as an ethnic and religious group, have far more power in worldwide affairs than they historically ever had, ranging from "we lost the war because of them," to "Jewish people are alien space lizards that run the world with their secret bloodlines." Someone who believes that is already pretty open to conspiratorial thought.

Culturally, we believe that antisemitism is wrong, stupid, and dangerous and to be clear, it is. Therefore, if some bad faith actors or actual anti-semites were to get ahold of an actual, researched conspiracy, then shove something about how Jewish people are the shadowy group behind it, that conspiracy becomes poisoned as being a nutty thing for anti-semites.

I know it isn't lost in this thread how closely the pedophile cabal that runs the world theory matches antisemitic nonsense. While I don't think an antisemitic narrative was created to protect the elite who actually run the show, I'd be surprised if an existing narrative isn't pushed to make people who believe in the pedophile elite seem like raving nutjobs who are one step away from shouting about Jewish people. Ir seems like an easy slam dunk to discredit people who research these pedophiles by lumping them in with idiot nazi wannabes.

I think another part about the anti-semitism is the narrative pushed by a number of people and powerful entities that anything contradictory or critical of Israel is painted as anti-semetic which considering the connections to Mossad makes it a bit of multi-use tool.

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016

Real hurthling! posted:

they'll just get the air force to spray sulfur into the air and we'll live in acid rain world until we nuke each other like god intended

We don't live in the Matrix- we live in the Animatrix, which is somehow worse

Ghislaine of YOSPOS
Apr 19, 2020

COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:

We don't live in the Matrix- we live in the Animatrix, which is somehow worse

sorta feels like a prequel to the matrix before everyone got put into those vampire pods

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

Ghislaine of YOSPOS posted:

sorta feels like a prequel to the matrix before everyone got put into those vampire pods

That's in the animatrix. Humanity decide that rather than accept a post scarcity society we should instead have capitalism followed by death.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/halaljew/status/1361131514327674881?s=19
https://twitter.com/lib_crusher/status/1361138982042669056?s=19
https://twitter.com/lib_crusher/status/1361141224896421889?s=19

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

lol remember when the FBI shot one of the tsaernavs friends to death during an interview? wonder what that was all about

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?

Spergin Morlock posted:

lol remember when the FBI shot one of the tsaernavs friends to death during an interview? wonder what that was all about

"he went for a samurai sword."

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005
i remember when outlandishly violent criminals like the north hollywood shootout had a nice clear reputable motives. everyone likes a good bank heist, right?

commielingus
Jan 23, 2021

by Athanatos
:thunk:

https://twitter.com/RudyHavenstein/status/1359891015042166784?s=20

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyA1lBJl_qM&t=347s

Tempora Mutantur
Feb 22, 2005


:hmmyes:

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019


but i am told by everyone that Qanon is 100% baseless

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT

Zook posted:

I dropped out of college, I think college makes you less able to be able to examine how power operates, because the two years I did attend I noticed it was very heavily leaden with indoctrination both ideologically, but also in the sense of instilling the respect of institutions and developing a 'serious' world view which makes 'smart' people dismiss conspiracies with very obvious evidence and paper trails because they have an almost protective barrier around their worldview. Whereas normal working people, especially the poor, know exactly how lovely and horrible and cruel society can be and often is, both in general and in how it is and power are structured.

My partner is a first-gen college student and constantly has to butt heads with people whose parents are doctors and lawyers. She calls them the "Wokety Wokes." They know all the lingo, they're forever vigilant against whatever thing is politically incorrect this year, they call themselves progressives, anti-racists, and good allies if not members of the LGBTQ+, but if you try to bring up the subject of the material conditions of the working class and how Captain Marvel and Black Panther didn't do anything to improve those conditions, you have become today's Very Problematic Person. They'll excoriate you until the Zoom meeting has run out of its allotted time, no department business will have been solved, and then they'll jump in their dad's BMW on their way to a rapid Covid test so they can attend some kind of gala.

They don't understand how power operates because it rarely tries to operate on them.

nut
Jul 30, 2019

well I spent half a day researching an insane connection (to, in retrospect, obviously no success) that is so embarrassing I can’t even post it here. I have made it 😎

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

just struck again by what the epstein affair revealed about the power elite, how it was buried and memory holed so successfully in the popular imagination, and marvelling again at the power of the transnational deep state octopus.

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

i think to understand the Syndikate one must merge with it at times, become as one with the many tentacles, grow almost to admire the fractal psychosis of this rough beast, the wheels within wheels, in order to slide the knife into the ribs and land the killing blow.

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

gh0stpinballa posted:

i think to understand the Syndikate one must merge with it at times, become as one with the many tentacles, grow almost to admire the fractal psychosis of this rough beast, the wheels within wheels, in order to slide the knife into the ribs and land the killing blow.

sooooo, i take it u put a bid on the island?

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

Delta-Wye posted:

sooooo, i take it u put a bid on the island?

if i had the money i would 100% buy that loving island and get an excavation team in there ASAP. there are definitely bodies and tunnels hidden all over that place.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




the new curtis doc is really funny re: conspiracies.

a weird chaos worshiping dude obsessed with the fungibility of reality by power who was lee harvey oswalds best friend and who wrote a novel about lee harvey oswald being born for greatness before the defection and dallas and who lived in lee harvey oswalds childhood home and in contact with all of oswalds associates was so convinced that conspiracy theories werent real that he spearheaded "operation mindfuck" to convince people the illuminati existed via letters to the editor of every publication in america and then reveal the hoax, but then mk ultra was revealed 2 months later and he crack pinged so hard and realized his whole life had been controlled by the cia

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

what fucks me up is that we all live in the world the CIA built even if yr not amerikan. the think tanks, the PR firms, the media, it's all developments of techniques the CIA introduced, and the CIA itself is just the mafia of the capitalist machine, invented w the help of MI6 and the british deep state. angloman has hosed the world and killed the future.

nut
Jul 30, 2019

anyone know of any good resources about how the CIA was born out of the Inquiry? feel like that bit of history isn’t talked much about for very obvious reasons (reveals the entire purpose of the CIA)

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

first I'd have to know what the inquiry is

nut
Jul 30, 2019

Doctor Jeep posted:

first I'd have to know what the inquiry is

“In the fall of that year, President Woodrow Wilson directed the organization of a group of experts to collect and analyze data on the geographical, ethnological, historical, economic, and political problems of those areas likely to be the subject of the peace negotiations. This staff became known as “The Inquiry.” Most of the experts were lawyers, geographers, political scientists, and historians from American colleges and universities and learned societies. The Inquiry ceased as an independent organization in December 1918. After that, it was absorbed into the Division of Territorial, Economic, and Political Intelligence of the American Commission to Negotiate Peace which represented the United States at the peace conference in Paris. In many ways, The Inquiry was the forerunner to the famed Research and Analysis Branch of the Office of Strategic Services during World War II. “

https://text-message.blogs.archives.gov/2017/04/05/world-war-i-foreign-policy-records-part-ii-the-inquiry/

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

from the wiki:

Some of the members later established the Council on Foreign Relations, which is independent of the government.

lmao, nice

Suplex Liberace
Jan 18, 2012



was legit hoping for a link to the Spanish inquisition

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

Suplex Liberace posted:

was legit hoping for a link to the Spanish inquisition

the inquisition never ended

Torpor
Oct 20, 2008

.. and now for my next trick, I'll pretend to be a political commentator...

HONK HONK

nut posted:

“In the fall of that year, President Woodrow Wilson directed the organization of a group of experts to collect and analyze data on the geographical, ethnological, historical, economic, and political problems of those areas likely to be the subject of the peace negotiations. This staff became known as “The Inquiry.” Most of the experts were lawyers, geographers, political scientists, and historians from American colleges and universities and learned societies. The Inquiry ceased as an independent organization in December 1918. After that, it was absorbed into the Division of Territorial, Economic, and Political Intelligence of the American Commission to Negotiate Peace which represented the United States at the peace conference in Paris. In many ways, The Inquiry was the forerunner to the famed Research and Analysis Branch of the Office of Strategic Services during World War II. “

https://text-message.blogs.archives.gov/2017/04/05/world-war-i-foreign-policy-records-part-ii-the-inquiry/

also the black chamber was the precursor to the cia/nsa.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


Real hurthling! posted:

the new curtis doc is really funny re: conspiracies.

a weird chaos worshiping dude obsessed with the fungibility of reality by power who was lee harvey oswalds best friend and who wrote a novel about lee harvey oswald being born for greatness before the defection and dallas and who lived in lee harvey oswalds childhood home and in contact with all of oswalds associates was so convinced that conspiracy theories werent real that he spearheaded "operation mindfuck" to convince people the illuminati existed via letters to the editor of every publication in america and then reveal the hoax, but then mk ultra was revealed 2 months later and he crack pinged so hard and realized his whole life had been controlled by the cia

Yeah reality can be snapped like a twig in the right circumstances, TRUE!!!!!!!!!

Zeppelin Insanity
Oct 28, 2009

Wahnsinn
Einfach
Wahnsinn

gh0stpinballa posted:

what fucks me up is that we all live in the world the CIA built even if yr not amerikan. the think tanks, the PR firms, the media, it's all developments of techniques the CIA introduced, and the CIA itself is just the mafia of the capitalist machine, invented w the help of MI6 and the british deep state. angloman has hosed the world and killed the future.

To me, one of the main things that separate conspiracy theories from reality is competence and foresight. And that is much more bizarre to me; so much of the world we live in comes from a sprawling machine, both incomprehensible and uncomprehending. Almost every cog in that machine is a bumbling insane doofus, pursuing their own self-interest or desires, they assemble into small systems that are all bouncing around, and those assemble into larger agencies and groups that also have no loving idea what they're doing, and somehow this coalesces into this behemoth of insanity and dysfunction, built out of toxic ideology and twisted people. And that everyone is an insane idiot doesn't change the fact that it is dangerous beyond measure. Any attempts to describe this interlocking systems quickly descend into madness not just because of ops discrediting things, but also the facts are insane and incoherent.

I think that's why I don't like the word cabal. Pedophilia is so much more common in average people than the mainstream will ever admit, and it stands to reason that it is much more common among the rich. I mean, until very recently there wasn't even any attempts to hide it; even just in the 90s it was celebrated and glamorized when a rich person was a pedophile, and you still get rich people "joking" about it all the time. At this point above a certain net worth my default assumption is that they are either a pedophile or know people who are - kinda like ACAB. I think it's less that there's a cabal and more than rich people social circles tend to be very limited to their class, but geographically wide and quite tight-knit. Rich people absolutely love handing money to other rich people, and all sorts of favours, and they all love going to the same parties. You add a revolving door between intelligence, government and capital and you've got yourself a system that doesn't need to be a secretive organization to be riddled with powerful pedophiles and their enablers.

Maha
Dec 29, 2006
sapere aude

Animal-Mother posted:

My partner is a first-gen college student and constantly has to butt heads with people whose parents are doctors and lawyers. She calls them the "Wokety Wokes." They know all the lingo, they're forever vigilant against whatever thing is politically incorrect this year, they call themselves progressives, anti-racists, and good allies if not members of the LGBTQ+, but if you try to bring up the subject of the material conditions of the working class and how Captain Marvel and Black Panther didn't do anything to improve those conditions, you have become today's Very Problematic Person. They'll excoriate you until the Zoom meeting has run out of its allotted time, no department business will have been solved, and then they'll jump in their dad's BMW on their way to a rapid Covid test so they can attend some kind of gala.

They don't understand how power operates because it rarely tries to operate on them.

Or rather, they understand it instinctively and are always maneuvering to maintain and expand their own.

nut
Jul 30, 2019

it’s impossible to recognize how disconnected from their own govt most people are. where even is an opportunity for anyone to learn about their own country’s foreign policy? I think that’s the best chance to open someone’s eyes. I’d be surprised if most Canadians had any idea how much of the world’s mining companies we house and cater to, let alone the constant humanitarian and environmental crises they purposefully commit.

it’s just as hard to get most anyone to recognize that our deputy pm has done everything in and beyond her power to support the neo nazi regime in ukraine. it’s just “support for ukraine”. it’s just “supporting women’s rights in Ethiopia”. Haiti they don’t even try to hide it but no one cares. at best, it’s confusing and there’s domestic safety in acquiescing the unspoken (sometimes spoken) assumption that it is a “backwards” country.

it’s a fight against a constant PR campaign that fosters the assumption that foreign countries are naive and uncivilized or evil and authoritarian, with no publicly promoted channels for opposition.

Backweb
Feb 14, 2009

Maybe the real pedophiles were the friends we made along the way.

It's hosed up and genius at the same time that the entire current world zeitgeist has been set up so that discussing the elite cabal gets you labeled antisemitic, and discussing how discussing the normalization of "the aristocrats!" among society gets you labeled a pedophile.

crack. ping.

500excf type r
Mar 7, 2013

I'm as annoying as the high-pitched whine of my motorcycle, desperately compensating for the lack of substance in my life.

Backweb posted:

Maybe the real pedophiles were the friends we made along the way.

It's hosed up and genius at the same time that the entire current world zeitgeist has been set up so that discussing the elite cabal gets you labeled antisemitic, and discussing how discussing the normalization of "the aristocrats!" among society gets you labeled a pedophile.

crack. ping.

If you want to make someone a non person instantly then "arrested for possession of child pornography" always works.

It's always arrested too, rarely charged and never convicted

Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


First episode of the Adam Curtis docuseries mentions discordianism and then briefly mentions the letters in Playboy.

Does he mention Robert Anton Wilson and then the connections to Terence McKenna and Timothy Leary in later episodes?

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




Fried Watermelon posted:

First episode of the Adam Curtis docuseries mentions discordianism and then briefly mentions the letters in Playboy.

Does he mention Robert Anton Wilson and then the connections to Terence McKenna and Timothy Leary in later episodes?

no

Marzzle
Dec 1, 2004

Bursting with flavor

Maha posted:

Or rather, they understand it instinctively and are always maneuvering to maintain and expand their own.

progressive langue and ideas getting coopted by the elite to perpetuate, protect and expand power? SA forums are truly a microcosm of our society

Marzzle has issued a correction as of 20:53 on Feb 17, 2021

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Backweb
Feb 14, 2009

Just a reminder that every post in this thread is antisemitic.

"Don't hate the player. Hate the game."
-Jeffmoney E.

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