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sticklefifer posted:Why did AEW keep the dumb Fyter Fest name for a second year? The name and logo being references to Fyre Festival were already dated by the time of the first event. Was it a trademark thing? It was also paired alongside an annual fighting game tournament event in FL
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it became a famous aew trademark thanks to the high quality and large amount of success of the first event
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Revolution is also kinda of a hack name.
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Feb 17, 2021 21:13
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I like Revolution.
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Feb 17, 2021 21:13
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If they lean really hard into the 90s cyberpunk aesthetic I can accept it. Or make it Revolutionary War themed.
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Feb 17, 2021 21:16
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Or put the ring on a big turntable.
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I wish they would rotate in names for Full Gear/Revolution. Neither name is really that memorable. Keep Double or Nothing and All Out as annual things.
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Revolution has been renamed to wii
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AEW: Hell to Pay on National Cereal Day
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Can someone explain in interesting detail: - Why did Ron Simmons get the world title? Was he the right guy to get the 'lottery' pick? - Did he have good matches as champ? - What was his initial long term plan? - How did he do on top, business wise, versus what was expected? - Did he ever get another look at another run on top after he lost the belt? - Did Vince consider making him champ in the WWF?
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The Full Gear name is super weird to keep around, it's an obscure reference to a Hangman Page gag on BTE that was already done by the time the show started (they quietly dropped the joke once people called it out for body-shaming)
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Feb 17, 2021 22:04
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Red posted:Can someone explain in interesting detail:
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Benne posted:The Full Gear name is super weird to keep around, it's an obscure reference to a Hangman Page gag on BTE that was already done by the time the show started (they quietly dropped the joke once people called it out for body-shaming) They had really good set-design for a change so I can forgive it. Anything can work if you lean into it
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full gear's like revolution to me in that it's a perfectly acceptable generic major show name that doesn't stick out as particularly good or bad. fyter fest is kinda silly but it's not the first time a reference to something mildly topical at the time stuck around years after the reference lost any real relevance.
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Royal Updog posted:Revolution is also kinda of a hack name. Revolution is a bit too WWA, tbh.
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Thauros posted:full gear's like revolution to me in that it's a perfectly acceptable generic major show name that doesn't stick out as particularly good or bad. fyter fest is kinda silly but it's not the first time a reference to something mildly topical at the time stuck around years after the reference lost any real relevance. Mad Max 2 & 3, the two movies everyone in wrestling saw
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Red posted:Can someone explain in interesting detail: Pulling a lot of this from Foley's first book, Watts, despite being a large (in several senses of the word) was/is a huge racist but also knew black folks liked wrestling and would probably pay to see a black person as champion. It worked with Junkyard Dog in Mid-South* but... I love Ron, but he didn't have JYD's charisma (few do) so he didn't really draw but I don't think '92 was a great business year all around. The rest is as Bix says. The biggest angle he had was with Barbarian and I love Barb but he wasn't pushed as a main event challenger until suddenly he was. Cactus was injured. They just didn't have anybody for him to face they were willing to have him go against. I know they brought in the Miracle Violence Connection for the Steiners but it might have been fun to see Doc or Gordy challenge him. *Amusingly Watts had tried the same thing earlier in Mid-South with Ron's future tag partner Butch Reed (RIP) but it also didn't work because the Dog was easy to love and had some great angles.
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Red posted:Can someone explain in interesting detail: 1) This is my own belief, but I only believe Watts gave him the belt because he had had success with the JYD main eventing in Mid-South, and had been desperately trying to recapture that lightning in a bottle with various other African-American wrestlers (Butch Reed, The Snowman, Savannah Jack). As for the "right" pick. He was firmly established as a mid card guy after the Doom break-up, and had a one month reign as US Tag Team Champions with Big Josh in Jan. 92. (and before Doom, he was really nothing more than a glorified jobber. He wouldn't lose to jobbers, but he'd always be the one losing against a "name" wrestler.) He really had no momentum for getting the pick. 2) Not really. He had a feud with the heel Lex Luger, but Luger's heel run as WCW champ wasn't that great. His other big feud was with The Barbarian, who had just returned from his WWF run, and The Barbarian had never really set the world on fire before, so people weren't interested. Not even with Cactus Jack acting as The Barbarian's manager. 3 & 4) Again, just my opinion, but I think Watts hoped Simmons could pop the gates like JYD had done, and bring in huge crowds. But other than his tag run with Butch Reed as Doom, he wasn't really anybody. So people just weren't interested in him. 5) No. He soon turned heel, and challenged for the US and TV titles, but he was never considered a threat. 6) Probably not. His debut was as "Farooq Asad- The Modern Day Gladiator", where he wore a ridiculous outfit and was managed by Sunny. And even though his later NOD gimmick was big, I don't think Vince had him penciled as "The Guy".
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Feb 17, 2021 23:13
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Ron Simmons was pretty terrible if we're being honest
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Benne posted:Ron Simmons was pretty terrible if we're being honest He had some great moves (his spinebuster was great, and he had a neat flip over the ropes), but hell if I can recall a singles match with Simmons that stands out in my mind. Most of his WWF stuff paired him off against Ahmed, and he had a meh match with Owen. I don't recall his matches with Rocky being great outside of the crowd-popping spots (and Rocky wasn't THE ROCK yet), but then, most guys didn't get a lot of time for matches during that era, so only the main events got decent time.
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As a young wrestling fan knowing Farooq only from his Nation/APA days, finding out he was a former WCW champ blew my mind.
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Red posted:He had some great moves (his spinebuster was great, and he had a neat flip over the ropes), but hell if I can recall a singles match with Simmons that stands out in my mind. Most of his WWF stuff paired him off against Ahmed, and he had a meh match with Owen. I don't recall his matches with Rocky being great outside of the crowd-popping spots (and Rocky wasn't THE ROCK yet), but then, most guys didn't get a lot of time for matches during that era, so only the main events got decent time. Watts pushed him mostly because he had the legit athlete sheen the Cowboy craved so. It's funny watching Doom under the masks because Butch is on a different level work-wise.
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Seeing Ron Simmons in WWE in the blue gladiator gear is like seeing what the Ric Flair Spartacus gimmick would’ve been like.
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Dawgstar posted:Watts pushed him mostly because he had the legit athlete sheen the Cowboy craved so. It's funny watching Doom under the masks because Butch is on a different level work-wise. And Butch was pretty well cooked by then. Ron's best work might be better than Butch's worst (his WWF run), but Butch Reed was a legitimately great worker. Ron not so much. You can make some awesome gifs out of moments from his career, but I can't think of any great matches. I'd love to hear of some.
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Big Bidness posted:And Butch was pretty well cooked by then. Ron's best work might be better than Butch's worst (his WWF run), but Butch Reed was a legitimately great worker. Ron not so much. You can make some awesome gifs out of moments from his career, but I can't think of any great matches. I'd love to hear of some. Yeah.  I mean, I like Simmons, but I just can't recall him having a great match.
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The dominator is a great finisher regardless
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ken shamrock bleeding from the mouth, thanks to a brutal dominator. ken shamrock bleeding from the mouth thanks to a brutal hip toss. internal bleeding
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Ken Shamrock had no organs. He was just a large sack of blood and sometimes he leaked, okay?
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Red posted:Yeah. 
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Dawgstar posted:Pulling a lot of this from Foley's first book, Watts, despite being a large (in several senses of the word) was/is a huge racist but also knew black folks liked wrestling and would probably pay to see a black person as champion. It worked with Junkyard Dog in Mid-South* but... I love Ron, but he didn't have JYD's charisma (few do) so he didn't really draw but I don't think '92 was a great business year all around. The rest is as Bix says. The biggest angle he had was with Barbarian and I love Barb but he wasn't pushed as a main event challenger until suddenly he was. Cactus was injured. They just didn't have anybody for him to face they were willing to have him go against. I know they brought in the Miracle Violence Connection for the Steiners but it might have been fun to see Doc or Gordy challenge him. With Simmons, they did get an all-time great moment with the title win. (Doing it in Baltimore—their best drawing city and one with a large black population—with the storyline in place was brilliant.) It works. It felt like a huge deal even though Simmons had not been built back up since the Luger feud. But after a week or two, the follow-up sucked. Even the Barbarian title defense would have worked a lot better if he had been built up more, much less packaged better. Why was he turned back into Powers of Pain Barbarian, which made him come off like a midcard tag team wrestler?
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Deathmatch wrestling question the explosives in an exploding death match. What generally are they and is it more a spectacle thing or do they really hurt?
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LionYeti posted:Deathmatch wrestling question the explosives in an exploding death match. What generally are they and is it more a spectacle thing or do they really hurt? Pain is in the mind, only wrestling is real
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Royal Updog posted:Pain is in the mind, only wrestling is real I mean In the sense of really going into the barbed wire net hurts.
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tonight's stupid loving KOR angle and a subsequent argument I had about it leads me to a two part question: a) Is there ever a place for a "worked shoot" injury angle in wrestling in 2021, particularly ones focused on head or neck trauma? Does anyone actually enjoy being worked by this? Like, in the best case, this was supposed to just be any other stretcher job, not a "let's make it look real!" spot, but just phenomenally hosed up: having it be post-show to a crowd of like 20 people, KOR's history of diabetes & weird seizure sell, and the sells he did on Sunday took it over the top. They at least (via Satin) corrected this rather than running with it, so I do think it was mostly a misjudged stretcher job, but it made me think about the Tenzan angle in NJPW a month ago. In that one, there were similar oddities that made it seem far more realistic: it was a lengthy stretcher spot that went into intermission, which seemed wildly deflating for the live crowd in a way no one would purposefully book; the production and commentary both more or less missed the spot on which the "injury" was supposed to happen because of the interference chaos of the finish, and NJPW doesn't have an "obvious fake doctor" like a lot of other promotions use. b) All of that said, what are the "best" (if there is such a thing) and worst instances of uncomfortably-realistic worked injuries y'all have seen? abraham linksys fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Feb 18, 2021 |
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My rule of thumb is that if it looks insanely painful and crazy it was probably only moderately so, but if it looks fine then it probably could kill you.
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abraham linksys posted:b) All of that said, what are the "best" (if there is such a thing) and worst instances of uncomfortably-realistic injuries y'all have seen? Probably not what your're going for, but my mind always goes to Shibata at the end of Sakura Genesis 2017. At the time I was thinking he was selling being exhausted from being in a near 40 minute war and thought it was really good acting, we only found out later his brain had broken and had paralysis on his right side. Which of course made it so much more emotional when he walked out 4 months later to let us know he was still alive
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SG Bamboo posted:Probably not what your're going for, but my mind always goes to Shibata at the end of Sakura Genesis 2017. At the time I was thinking he was selling being exhausted from being in a near 40 minute war and thought it was really good acting, we only found out later his brain had broken and had paralysis on his right side. Which of course made it so much more emotional when he walked out 4 months later to let us know he was still alive yeah, not quite what I meant but I'd definitely point to that as the exact moment I no longer wanted to see worked head injuries that weren't incredibly obviously fake, because I don't even want to think about a wrestler going through what he went through again
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LionYeti posted:Deathmatch wrestling question the explosives in an exploding death match. What generally are they and is it more a spectacle thing or do they really hurt? Usually the explosives are designed to go off in the opposite direction from the person getting hit by them (so for example in the exploding bat gimmick, the fireworks will shoot out of the side of the bat that you're not hitting them with).
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So on that note: Can someone who knows FMW history better than me explain how exactly Mr. Pogo got so hosed up in that explosion match with Terry Funk? Was it something to do with with the explosions or did he just happen to hurt his neck taking a bump into the double hell pit?
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Red posted:Yeah. Nation vs. LOD/Ahmed at Mania 13 was pretty great, but that was just a bunch of enormous dudes whaling on each other so it's not true match per se
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