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ikanreed posted:People keep referring to that. Did Doctor Who make the joker? You should watch Vengeance on Varos. Some say it's a classic.
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ikanreed posted:People keep referring to that. Did Doctor Who make the joker? "Forgive me if I don't join you!"
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# ? Feb 18, 2021 15:31 |
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Comics and TV writer Si Spencer has died. Spencer was commissioned to write an episode of S1 Torchwood that never made it to air, consequently writing a book about it under a pseudonym called 'Torch, Wood, & Peasants'. It contains his script and a bit about how he got entirely hosed over by the production team. There's a really good Reddit post summing it up, and sounds pretty damning of whoever this 'Crumpsall' character is. quote:I recently discovered that TV and comics writer Si Spencer (who, I learned as I was writing this post, has sadly just passed away at the age of merely 56(?, or 60? Sources seem confused about his age)) was once upon a time commissioned to write an episode of Torchwood Series 1. RTD wrote in an April 2006 issue of DWM (see above thread) that Spencer "brings a whole new energy and attitude to the scripts. And his idea is one of the boldest of the lot". This episode, Blood (which was originally lined up to be episode 3 of the season), never ultimately materialised.
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# ? Feb 18, 2021 16:22 |
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I still say Torchwood was a bad show. It wasn't a bad concept, but it was trying way too hard to be "edgy" and just came across as tryhard. The immature approach to sexual politics, the main characters either being boring or downright unlikable, the nihilistic obsession with atheism, the tacked on violence - it just didn't work, and just felt like a generic 2000s genre show, with a few nods to the main show bolted on, and some edginess sprinkled in. There were some decent episodes, and the cast were trying, but it just didn't work as part of the Doctor Who universe, because it didn't share any of the philosophy of the main show. The they wrote most of the cast out? There are much better "grounded" and "mature" stories set in the Doctor Who universe, like Bernice Summerfield's stories. Torchwood has not aged well, I'm guessing. I've heard decent things about the audios, but I have no interest in them myself.
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OldMemes posted:I still say Torchwood was a bad show. I think this is one of the few things most people ITT can agree upon. Torchwood was hot garbage.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:I think this is one of the few things most people ITT can agree upon. Torchwood was hot garbage. And all of us have watched every episode of it
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CommonShore posted:And all of us have watched every episode of it Not I! I checked out partway through season 1 and never looked back
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# ? Feb 18, 2021 17:04 |
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CommonShore posted:And all of us have watched every episode of it I watched a bit of Children of Earth but otherwise haven't bothered
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# ? Feb 18, 2021 17:22 |
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I just watched Children of Earth and the first couple episodes of the one with Bill Paxton.
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marktheando posted:I just watched Children of Earth and the first couple episodes of the one with Bill Paxton. Bill Pullman, although Bill Paxton would have been great.
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# ? Feb 18, 2021 20:49 |
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I watched it all because BARROWMAN
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# ? Feb 18, 2021 20:58 |
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marktheando posted:I just watched Children of Earth and the first couple episodes of the one with Bill Paxton. Literally all I ever watched myself. But CoE more than makes up for the entire rest of the show. If you have watched no Torchwood and have no interest in it, do yourself a favor and watch Children of Earth. But be prepared, it is about the darkest and bleakest Doctor Who story ever. Astroman fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Feb 19, 2021 |
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People liked Captain Jack because he was a roguish, flamboyant adventurer, so in Torchwood they decided to just have John Barrowman brood and be moody endlessly. The other characters were one dimensional at best, deeply selfish and unlikable at worst. The constant "the characters have SEX and everything is SEX and VIOLENCE because unlike Doctor Who is this DARK and EDGY and SEX and NIHILISM because morals and meaning and fun are for losers" was tiring. The show had an almost obsessive fixation on sex, and felt immature. Then in the second season they decided to do a lighter edit of each episode, but it robbed the show of what little identity it had because it had to be worked around what could be cut. Children of Earth was better because it had some focus. Miracle Day was ok, but too long, and it didn't even need the Torchwood characters. Aside from a reference to the Sarah Jane Smith Adventures of all things, there was no reason for it to be set in the Doctor Who universe. It could have been its own standalone thing, aside from having John Barrowman and Eve Myles there. Being mature with story telling isn't about sex, gore or swearing, its about how you approach subjects.
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# ? Feb 19, 2021 01:39 |
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I gave up on Torchwood after Cyberwoman (though I was ready to pitch the whole thing in the bin after the pilot and the introduction of one of the central characters as a straight-up rapist), never watched season 2 but caught Children of Earth based on the high praise and quite enjoyed it, then made it through I think one episode of season 4 and just gave up on it again.
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# ? Feb 19, 2021 02:08 |
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Was there some episode of Torchwood where there was like a giant wound in the Earth or something? And it looked a lot like a vagina? Or is my brain dying
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# ? Feb 19, 2021 02:44 |
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That was the big reveal of Miracle Day.
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# ? Feb 19, 2021 02:52 |
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I am still convinced that Miracle Day was plotted as a 5-chapter mini series like Children of Earth was that got ballooned to 10 episodes at the directive of Starz or whatever premium network it was they had partnered with
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# ? Feb 19, 2021 04:46 |
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The Torchwood radio plays from Big Finish are loving excellent, particularly their Seasons 5 and 6. Highly recommended -- and on sale right now. Big Finish has been putting out a lot of crap these last six years or so, but Torchwood has been consistently brilliant. Highly, highly recommended. jivjov posted:I am still convinced that Miracle Day was plotted as a 5-chapter mini series like Children of Earth was that got ballooned to 10 episodes at the directive of Starz or whatever premium network it was they had partnered with It was Starz, and yeah, that's apparently the story. It did make the most of its running time, I thought, even if it wasn't all necessary.
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# ? Feb 19, 2021 06:40 |
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jivjov posted:I am still convinced that Miracle Day was plotted as a 5-chapter mini series like Children of Earth was that got ballooned to 10 episodes at the directive of Starz or whatever premium network it was they had partnered with That’s exactly what happened, yes. There’s a general feeling the order for more episodes came very late in the day, when the original 5 scripts had already been more or less done., because the padding episodes are very easy to spot. The plane episode, the one in the McMansion. Anything where the action just stops.
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# ? Feb 19, 2021 11:14 |
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This is a shot from upcoming movie Doors. Looks pretty familiar. <TWAAAANG>
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# ? Feb 19, 2021 11:17 |
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The_Doctor posted:That’s exactly what happened, yes. There’s a general feeling the order for more episodes came very late in the day, when the original 5 scripts had already been more or less done., because the padding episodes are very easy to spot. The plane episode, the one in the McMansion. Anything where the action just stops. The plane episode is hilarious as gently caress though. The bit where the FBI lady wanders into oncoming traffic is black comedy gold.
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# ? Feb 19, 2021 11:47 |
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Open Source Idiom posted:The plane episode is hilarious as gently caress though. Only in a ‘this is some terrible writing’ kind of way.
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# ? Feb 19, 2021 12:48 |
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The_Doctor posted:This is a shot from upcoming movie Doors. Looks pretty familiar. All the "....of DEATH!" jokes aside, goddamn do I love the visual from this cliffhanger:
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# ? Feb 19, 2021 13:43 |
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Which episode arc is that? I thought all the pertwee stuff was shot in color. Guess it's somewhere at the end of the 2nd Doctor's run?
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# ? Feb 19, 2021 15:48 |
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Jerusalem posted:All the "....of DEATH!" jokes aside, goddamn do I love the visual from this cliffhanger: I juat rewatched Pertwee's first season, and drat if that wasn't a season where everything was firing on all cylinders. And Liz Shaw is definitely one of the most underrated companions to be sure Gameko posted:Which episode arc is that? I thought all the pertwee stuff was shot in color. Guess it's somewhere at the end of the 2nd Doctor's run? I'll let someone else do the joke about the story's title It's actually from Pertwee's first season, and you're correct in that his stuff was shot in color. However, Pertwee's run was also subject to the BBC's then-policy of junking or reusing videotapes after an episode had been aired (IIRC, they didn't officially stop that practice until sometime during Tom Baker's run), because back then videotapes were horrendously expensive, and there was no home video market to sell to, so programs like DW and others were often wiped sometime after their initial airing. In the case of Pertwee, several of his stories had missing episodes or were wiped completely, but were eventually able to be recovered from overseas sources, or the tapes were found in a dusty storage cabinet, things like that. But a lot of the missing stuff that was recovered was from black and white duplicates for overseas markets (mostly former British colonies, and many of which hadn't switched to color broadcasting just yet), and it wasn't until the last decade or two that they were able to successfully recolor the b&w Pertwee stuff. Sydney Bottocks fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Feb 19, 2021 |
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Aha! That makes sense. But is it a story arc I should look up?
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# ? Feb 19, 2021 20:15 |
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I'm absolutely astonished the legs Torchwood has had with Big Finish. I guess I shouldn't be, they spun Jago and Litefoot from one story into 15 box sets and some one-offs, almost every doctor they've touched have more stories with them than they did on TV...but I just preordered stories 49 through 60....SIXTY!! of the monthly Torchwood range. And it's not just the tv show team! They have Torchwood Soho! Queen Victoria! Bilis Manger! All from a fairly poorly received little spinoff.
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# ? Feb 19, 2021 20:24 |
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Have they had Omar Epps back yet?
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# ? Feb 19, 2021 20:27 |
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Gameko posted:Aha! That makes sense. But is it a story arc I should look up? Oh absolutely, having done a recent re-watch of Pertwee's first season, I'd say the whole season is worth looking up.
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# ? Feb 19, 2021 21:18 |
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The_Doctor posted:Have they had Omar Epps back yet? No, but I think that might have something to do with Miracle Day being a Starz co-production
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# ? Feb 19, 2021 21:30 |
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Oh absolutely, having done a recent re-watch of Pertwee's first season, I'd say the whole season is worth looking up. This, but Pertwee's entire run. Hell just watch all the 1970s.
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# ? Feb 19, 2021 21:30 |
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The_Doctor posted:Have they had Omar Epps back yet? Mekhi Phifer.
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# ? Feb 19, 2021 21:37 |
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Yeah, Miracle Day has only had the most passing of mentions, stuff that flies under the radar, due to rights issues. Though even Children of Earth only gets brought up when the want to mention Ianto being dead.
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# ? Feb 19, 2021 22:08 |
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Rhyno posted:Mekhi Phifer. Oh my god.
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# ? Feb 19, 2021 22:10 |
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The_Doctor posted:Oh my god. I almost went off on you and had to re-enter myself. My former best friend called every black actor "Omar Epps" and I do near strangled him over it once. I know it was just a mistake on your part but that fucker was a huge closet racist and it took me years to realize it.
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# ? Feb 19, 2021 22:12 |
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The Ambassadors....* is definitely a fantastic story and well worth watching, but yes seconding that you should probably watch Pertwee's entire run because even when it got a little self-indulgent it was still great stuff. * OF DEATH! <TWAAANG!>
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# ? Feb 20, 2021 01:05 |
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The chase in his final story is one of the greatest things ever filmed and aired
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# ? Feb 20, 2021 05:59 |
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I just finished my Pertwee run (over the course of about two years) and yes, doooooo iiiiiiiiit. There are inevitably clunkers ('The Time Monster' and 'The Monster of Peladon' spring to mind), but nothing of a 'Twin Dilemma' level, and there are also some genuine greats. There's also the best Master, the Brig, and Pertwee being the most dapper velvet-smoking-jacketed mofo in the universe. Go for it.
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# ? Feb 20, 2021 10:26 |
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The Daemons is a standout, mostly because it understands that there's nothing wrong with ripping off Quatermass and the Pit.
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Jerusalem posted:The Daemons is a standout, mostly because it understands that there's nothing wrong with ripping off Quatermass and the Pit. As one of my fellow Random Who watchers mentions every time a Pertwee or Base Under Siege or similar story comes up, Doctor Who rips off Quatermass a lot.
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