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RFX posted:My wife has been rewatching Gilmore Girls the last few weeks and being stuck at home I've absorbed most of it. It really feels of an America before 2007, where the lives of rich people were somehow considered positive. Even though the main characters aren't "rich" the show just loves sucking off the elite northeast old money families for some reason - the rich grandparents, private school, everything about Yale, etc. I think when the show came out it was supposed to be impressive or aspirational? Watching it today it just feels very out of touch. I misread that as Golden Girls and was pretty confused.
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RFX posted:My wife has been rewatching Gilmore Girls the last few weeks and being stuck at home I've absorbed most of it. It really feels of an America before 2007, where the lives of rich people were somehow considered positive. Even though the main characters aren't "rich" the show just loves sucking off the elite northeast old money families for some reason - the rich grandparents, private school, everything about Yale, etc. I think when the show came out it was supposed to be impressive or aspirational? Watching it today it just feels very out of touch. Having watched it like three or four times, the show definitely is white middle to upper class as gently caress, and New England liberalism is the biggest part of that. The goals are all in there, for both Lorelai and Rory. The thing is, the show is also very much about Rory and Lorelai finding their way outside of all that poo poo, too - Lorelai's success comes from her own hard work starting literally from nothing as a homeless single mother, and Rory has to find her way outside of it. It's also got a ton of white privilege and all that, for sure. I would encourage you to watch it through to the finale (and by that I mean the last episode of the Netflix revival, which is basically "the ending that was supposed to happen but didn't happen the first time"), and see how you feel afterwards. It is for sure not "class war for everyone" and being rich and successful and connected is the aspirational, impressive goal, but the end lesson is that that lifestyle is unsustainable and sucks for literally everyone involved, and that the important things in life exist in spite of that wealth and privilege, not as part of it. e: if your wife is watching it just for comfort tv she may want to skip season 6, but that's the season where poo poo gets real and actually splits off from everyone's idyllic white life, so I'd catch it if you care about actually getting an honest read on the characters/the show's philosophy. Arivia has a new favorite as of 05:14 on Feb 17, 2021 |
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The new Cruella movie had me thinking about the One Hundred and One Dalmatians book, which I read as a child. Wikipedia informed me there was a sequel novel and what in the blue hell is this:"The Starlight Barking posted:The Dearly Family and most of the Dalmatians of the first book still live in Cruella de Vil's old manor house in Suffolk, as do many other Dalmatians and a married couple of White Persian cats. Mr. Dearly has allowed some dogs to go to new masters, including giving Cadpig to the Prime Minister. The summary only gets weirder after this. quote:In Trafalgar Square, Tommy, the cats, the Dalmatians and the General meet with thousands of other dogs to wait. At Midnight, after a strange euphoric moment followed by a moment of terror, Sirius, the Lord of the Dog Star, appears on Nelson's Column. He explains to all the dogs that he is lonely, and is offering them the chance to avoid the pain of possible nuclear war in the future. However, they must come with him of their own accord. He assures them the world, when it wakes, will not remember dogs ever existed, and that all dogs will be free and know true bliss in the stars. e: The more I think about it, it sounds like a cross between Animal Farm, Bradbury's There Will Come Soft Rains and Bowie's Starman. RC and Moon Pie has a new favorite as of 08:19 on Feb 18, 2021 |
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It used to be called The Twilight Barking iirc? And yeah, it’s weird as poo poo.
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Honestly, I think Disney should have adapted it instead of this Cruella movie. If they pulled it off, it would be loving incredible.
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Blue Moonlight posted:Honestly, I think Disney should have adapted it instead of this Cruella movie. If they pulled it off, it would be loving incredible. And if they didn't, it would be incredible for a completely different reason.
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Mister Kingdom posted:Quark, a 1978 sci-fi comedy about a galactic garbage man named Adam Quark. He had a wacky crew including Gene/Jean, a "transmute". A humanoid who had both male & female chromosomes. The joke here being that he/she would switch gender usually at a bad plot-driven time. 
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RC and Moon Pie posted:The new Cruella movie had me thinking about the One Hundred and One Dalmatians book, which I read as a child. Wikipedia informed me there was a sequel novel and what in the blue hell is this: I actually read this when I was a kid. Even then I thought it was pretty weird, but didn't dislike it. Thinking back I did read a lot of weird poo poo when I was a kid.
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Yeah, game cutscenes are still iffy sometimes. Like, if one character cuts another one off mid-sentence it's obvious the actors just read their lines seperately.
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So is Cruella like...trying to be Joker but for Disney characters?
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Mooseontheloose posted:So is Cruella like...trying to be Joker but for Disney characters? That was definitely the vibe I got from it too.
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That's the joke that's currently circulating Twitter right now, so you're not alone.
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The question is will it be as big a mess as the joker movie
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The Joker movie infuriates me because the whole film hinges on video of Joaquin Phoenix going viral and being picked up for a Tonight Show segment in a time before the internet or vcrs. Where does Robert DeNiro get the footage that he airs on his show? They kind of try to set up the idea that video of his bad set exists by putting a big tube tv on the wall backstage, but some grime-rear end comedy club in the 70s wouldn't have a VCR and wouldn't be taping a random weeknight performance. And the clip we see is shot from the audience, as if filmed by a phone camera. If I didn't already hate the movie, that would have ruined my immersion. Also, the idea of a clown rental agency that has an office with a big locker room and clowns just waiting around for assignments like it's a fire station is hilarious to me. And the director and cowriter are gen x, so there's no loving excuse for them not knowing what the analog world was like. They made all the cars period-appropriate.
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Everyone seems to have forgotten Maleficent  This is hardly Disney's first go at 'making a movie about the villain'.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:The Joker movie infuriates me because the whole film hinges on video of Joaquin Phoenix going viral and being picked up for a Tonight Show segment in a time before the internet or vcrs. Where does Robert DeNiro get the footage that he airs on his show? Basically, Joaquin Phoenix acts the hell out of a mediocre script in a good looking movie, and for a lot of people that's good enough.
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Iron Crowned posted:Basically, Joaquin Phoenix acts the hell out of a mediocre script in a good looking movie, and for a lot of people that's good enough. I have to admit that I love a movie with 70s grime, even if it's a CG recreation.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:I have to admit that I love a movie with 70s grime, even if it's a CG recreation.  But I'd rather just watch Petey Wheatstraw again.
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Iron Crowned posted:Basically, Joaquin Phoenix acts the hell out of a mediocre script in a good looking movie, and for a lot of people that's good enough. And year before that Rami Malek did exactly the same stunt for exactly the same result.
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Don Gato posted:And if they didn't, it would be incredible for a completely different reason. The House of Mouse’s version of Tom Hooper’s Cats.
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ishikabibble posted:Everyone seems to have forgotten Maleficent I mean, at least with Maleficent you can kinda stretch and do some sort of Wicked-esque "the villain was misunderstood/unfairly treated" and get away with it. But with Cruella, her entire schtick is that she wants to murder puppies to make a coat. There's no way you can have any sort of backstory that justifies or puts that into a favorable light.
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Iron Crowned posted:Basically, Joaquin Phoenix acts the hell out of a mediocre script in a good looking movie, and for a lot of people that's good enough. Yeah, the movie was fine - the sudden insane incel obsession though was dumb. the second round of obsession mocking the first incel obsession has been great though.
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the_steve posted:I mean, at least with Maleficent you can kinda stretch and do some sort of Wicked-esque "the villain was misunderstood/unfairly treated" and get away with it. I mean she looks boss though
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:The Joker movie infuriates me because the whole film hinges on video of Joaquin Phoenix going viral and being picked up for a Tonight Show segment in a time before the internet or vcrs. Where does Robert DeNiro get the footage that he airs on his show? I haven't seen Joker but the Screen Junkies folks when they did their honest trailers commentary basically said that even the director seemed to miss the point of his own movie and that they wanted to make some Taxi Driver clone but couldn't get funding unless they made it about an established comic character.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:The Joker movie infuriates me because the whole film hinges on video of Joaquin Phoenix going viral and being picked up for a Tonight Show segment in a time before the internet or vcrs. Where does Robert DeNiro get the footage that he airs on his show? It’s like “character does something embarrassing and it immediately goes viral” has become such a trope that writers can’t resist using it even when it’s not era appropriate. In The Greatest Showman, which apparently is set in the 1850s, PT Barnum kisses a woman who is not his wife and is somehow photographed doing this, and it’s all over New York City that day. I fully expect to see a movie where a knight falls off of his horse and suddenly there are wood carvings of the incident all over England the next day.
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letthereberock posted:It’s like “character does something embarrassing and it immediately goes viral” has become such a trope that writers can’t resist using it even when it’s not era appropriate. In The Greatest Showman, which apparently is set in the 1850s, PT Barnum kisses a woman who is not his wife and is somehow photographed doing this, and it’s all over New York City that day. I fully expect to see a movie where a knight falls off of his horse and suddenly there are wood carvings of the incident all over England the next day. it's like someone forgot about a knight's tale already
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Arivia posted:it's like someone forgot about a knight's tale already You're right cuz that movie makes me cry
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verbal enema posted:You're right cuz that movie makes me cry idk i thought it was rad at release and I thought it was better after a year of undergrad chaucer
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A Knights Tale is an intentionally silly movie. Joker seems to have aspirations of being a serious film for serious people.
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letthereberock posted:A Knights Tale is an intentionally silly movie. Joker seems to have aspirations of being a serious film for serious people. Knights Tale literally opens to a medieval crowd stomping along to Queen during a jousting tournament and doing the wave when a guy with a flag runs in front of them, if anyone thought it was a serious movie after that, that's on them.
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Arivia posted:idk i thought it was rad at release and I thought it was better after a year of undergrad chaucer its when dude finds his dad or w/e movie owns tho
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the_steve posted:But with Cruella, her entire schtick is that she wants to murder puppies to make a coat. There's no way you can have any sort of backstory that justifies or puts that into a favorable light. Maybe we find out Dalmatians murdered her parents? Or she is actually someone who is really disgusted by stupid "breed standards" and how pure bred dogs of pretty much any breed are inbred abominations that shouldn't exist, so she decides to start by removing Dalmatians from the gene pool and hey, might as well get a sweet coat out of the deal?
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Those puppies were assholes, though.
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Don Gato posted:Knights Tale literally opens to a medieval crowd stomping along to Queen during a jousting tournament and doing the wave when a guy with a flag runs in front of them, if anyone thought it was a serious movie after that, that's on them. I love Knight's Tale. The director said he wanted modern audiences to relate to the characters and have the same kind of emotional experience that people back then would have had, instead of doing a historically accurate period piece. Moulin Rouge does something similar. RC and Moon Pie posted:e: The more I think about it, it sounds like a cross between Animal Farm, Bradbury's There Will Come Soft Rains and Bowie's Starman.
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Am the only person who legitimately liked Joker? I mean, I just don’t understand why everyone on the internet hates it so much.
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I will maintain until my dying day that Cruella missed her calling as a racing driver. She handles that overpowered skinny-tired monstrosity of a coach like an absolute champ. Imagine Juan Manuel Fangio hurtling down the Mulsanne Straight, looking in his rearview and blanching at:
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AceOfFlames posted:Am the only person who legitimately liked Joker? i think i found your problem
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AceOfFlames posted:Am the only person who legitimately liked Joker? Joker was saved by Joaquin Phoenix delivering an absolute hell of a performance. Plus that scene where the one guy can't reach the lock on the door that also saved the movie.
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Push El Burrito posted:Joker was saved by Joaquin Phoenix delivering an absolute hell of a performance. Plus that scene where the one guy can't reach the lock on the door that also saved the movie. Yeah, I mean I didn't regret watching it, but I'll probably never watch it again
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:The Joker movie infuriates me because the whole film hinges on video of Joaquin Phoenix going viral and being picked up for a Tonight Show segment in a time before the internet or vcrs. Where does Robert DeNiro get the footage that he airs on his show? More significantly, back then (and well into the 21st century) one of the perks/scams of stand up comedy clubs would be to have open mic nights/showcases where comedians could get their routined professionally filmed and they'd sell you a tape/DVD of your set for your "demo reel" that you could send around to other clubs, TV bookers, etc. Shows that book comedians would/do send out scouts to clubs to find talent, and even if they weren't there every night would have some sort of relationship with the club managers. Not having seen the movie, I can at least see a logical throughline of "guy does a memorably lovely stand-up routine, everyone at the club thinks it's hilarious, share it with a show's staff". I am probably giving the filmmakers way too much credit, though.
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