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Bobstar posted:I don't know what Keir Starmer sounds like I don't even own an MP4 decoder.
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The benefits of never watching video anything.
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I just watch zoetropes of Keith and make a faint wibbling noise to myself, the effect is the same
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Aidan_702 posted:Hi everyone yesterday I got my first dose of the vaccine (not sure why so early but I’m assuming because I have/had asthma?). Anyway some advice: A friend of mine with asthma who is about 10 years younger than me got his a week or so ago (England). Sounds somewhat like the reaction I had to the flu jab a couple of months ago. (And also like the reaction I had to eating Quorn about 3 years ago which decided me never to eat Quorn ever again.) Did you have Pfizer or Oxford? (Ed: just saw your later comment about it being something 'old school'.) Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 10:56 on Feb 19, 2021 |
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Feb 19, 2021 10:53
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https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1362703567757455362?s=19 This is surprising and welcome. Hopefully the same is applied to gig economy workers across the board.
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Feb 19, 2021 11:16
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God if we could end the fake self-employed bit, that'd be amazing. Now the Uber drivers are employees they should unionise!
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Womp womp https://twitter.com/sammisam147/status/1362497533990305792?s=19
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haha eat poo poo darren
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Can't believe the right wing grift machine treated a working class northern lad as an expendable commodity. Maybe if he'd been more conservative...
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Two good bits of news in one day. gently caress off Grimey
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Lol this is great https://twitter.com/JeremiasPrassl/status/1362701794661584897?s=19
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Feb 19, 2021 11:42
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What's the specific effect of that? I dunno what that makes the company liable for. If they have to pay you minimum wage for being logged in that'd be funny but that seems too much to hope for.
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Feb 19, 2021 11:50
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Sad to hear about the technical error that logs them out every 5 seconds when not driving.
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OwlFancier posted:What's the specific effect of that? I dunno what that makes the company liable for. If they have to pay you minimum wage for being logged in that'd be funny but that seems too much to hope for. I assume if you're logged in that means you're available to pick up passengers, so hard to defraud by having it on when you're sitting on the couch.
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Feb 19, 2021 11:54
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Also it's presumably bad news for the Govt. If Uber now needs fewer drivers (because they'll have to pay them at least minimum wage, so there's encouragement to have as few as they can get away with), that's fewer people employed. And I guess it opens the doors for similar cases from delivery drivers who 'work' for Deliveroo, Just Eat, etc.
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Feb 19, 2021 11:58
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peanut- posted:I assume if you're logged in that means you're available to pick up passengers, so hard to defraud by having it on when you're sitting on the couch. Yeah. I suppose the only other concerns would be drivers idling in the middle of nowhere or declining every job - but Uber could deal with that the way actual employers deal with productivity issues. The reality of this will probably be that Uber just fucks off out of the UK because their model almost certainly won't turn them a profit if they have to treat drivers like humans.
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^^^^Uber doesn't make money anyway, it was burning investor cash to undermine workers rights while establishing a service monopoly. This has wrecked their business model at a strategic level. You'd have thought that Uber would raise the obvious objections about logging in at home, I'd guess the court assumed the location tracking in the app also permits them to declare when people are on roads or not as a proxy for in a car and on the job. Good result overall though and going to do wonders for all app delivery workers. namesake fucked around with this message at 12:03 on Feb 19, 2021 |
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stev posted:Yeah. I suppose the only other concerns would be drivers idling in the middle of nowhere or declining every job - but Uber could deal with that the way actual employers deal with productivity issues. I thought it hadn't turned a profit anywhere anyway and just ran on VC money.
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Supposedly (pre-COVID) London is one of only three or four places in the world where Uber is profitable, so I doubt they will be in a hurry to withdraw.
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Though they will be working on rolling the abysmal prop 22 out nationwide in the US, so maybe they'll decide to focus on that future with more upside.
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https://twitter.com/BristolCouncil/status/1362469713620721668?s=20 Why the hell is a Labour council advertising loans to improve empty homes?
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Feb 19, 2021 12:08
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stev posted:treat drivers like humans. OwlFancier posted:I thought it hadn't turned a profit anywhere anyway and just ran on VC money.
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Feb 19, 2021 12:11
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peanut- posted:Supposedly (pre-COVID) London is one of only three or four places in the world where Uber is profitable, so I doubt they will be in a hurry to withdraw. But Uber will threaten to leave and we need to pretend that other companies will not immediately step in to that market, better give Uber an exception to the law. Pantsmaster Bill posted:https://twitter.com/BristolCouncil/status/1362469713620721668?s=20 Who the gently caress owns empty property? Oh, it's landlords.
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Feb 19, 2021 12:12
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OwlFancier posted:What's the specific effect of that? I dunno what that makes the company liable for. If they have to pay you minimum wage for being logged in that'd be funny but that seems too much to hope for. not read the ruling but "working time" here implies exactly what you're saying. Assuming they've decided that it's the same as how the requirement you be paid follows the employers requirement you be on site, oncalls aside.
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Pantsmaster Bill posted:https://twitter.com/BristolCouncil/status/1362469713620721668?s=20 Of course it won't be....
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Feb 19, 2021 12:16
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A reminder that over 95% of Uber drivers are already licensed taxi drivers The best outcome of this is Uber cannot run at a profit and are replaced by a local government provided taxi app which performs exactly th same function Now that Uber has sold off its self driving car subsidiary it's only purpose for capital is disciplining Labour - if it can't do that in the UK it doesn't serve much purpose. Of course they are going to fight this tooth and nail since it's their entire reason for being but it's a good step for the UK at least.
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OwlFancier posted:What's the specific effect of that? I dunno what that makes the company liable for. If they have to pay you minimum wage for being logged in that'd be funny but that seems too much to hope for. I think minimum wage is exactly what it means. If you are at work for an employer, they have to pay you minimum wage even if they have no work for you = diametric opposite of the gig economy business model. If the business is actually viable it should be able to do this. We call them taxi companies.
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OzyMandrill posted:I think minimum wage is exactly what it means. If you are at work for an employer, they have to pay you minimum wage even if they have no work for you = diametric opposite of the gig economy business model. If the business is actually viable it should be able to do this. We call them taxi companies. taxi companies absolutely dont do this fwiw, at least none round here. its always points on the fare without minimum wage, the gig contractor model absolutely did its job
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peanut- posted:I assume if you're logged in that means you're available to pick up passengers, so hard to defraud by having it on when you're sitting on the couch. I wouldn't say using a Pixel (or one of the cheaper generic Androids that allow access to the dev interface) and running a GPS spoofer is that hard. If they somehow are able to restrict that, I'm willing to bet someone has already worked out a way to do it with a Pi and an RTL dongle.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I wouldn't say using a Pixel (or one of the cheaper generic Androids that allow access to the dev interface) and running a GPS spoofer is that hard. If they somehow are able to restrict that, I'm willing to bet someone has already worked out a way to do it with a Pi and an RTL dongle. Spoofing your location doesn't help you with the fact that if you are "logged in" but not picking up any rides Uber are gonna figure you out pretty quickly.
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Spangly A posted:taxi companies absolutely dont do this fwiw, at least none round here. its always points on the fare without minimum wage, the gig contractor model absolutely did its job That's always been the case for taxis and minicabs in London (some PHVs like limos and shuttle services are waged rather than per-trip, but if it's something you just use to get home from the pub it's fares-based).
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jacksbrat posted:I think it was someone in here who said Adam Curtis sounds like Keir Starmer so thanks for completely changing my viewing experience. He also reminds of the friend from What We Do in the Shadows, the one they have to abstain from killing despite looking like he's full of delicious blood. There would be some tortured metaphor to be made here about him being a useful idiot for the labour right ghouls but after the spy cops abstention stuff I'm sure he's in the coven.   Powerful messaging.
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Feb 19, 2021 12:37
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peanut- posted:Spoofing your location doesn't help you with the fact that if you are "logged in" but not picking up any rides Uber are gonna figure you out pretty quickly. Yeah I mean this is just a new form of fudging the numbers on your timesheet
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Feb 19, 2021 12:38
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peanut- posted:Spoofing your location doesn't help you with the fact that if you are "logged in" but not picking up any rides Uber are gonna figure you out pretty quickly. Try getting an Uber from Heathrow to east London, or any other trip they don't fancy doing, and you'll see they've already worked out a way around it - they just drive off from whatever west London side-street they've plotted up at and head for the Uxbridge Road where they get "caught in traffic" long enough for the user to cancel the trip, something that actually earns them a share of the £10 cancellation fee and doesn't hurt their driver rating.
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Feb 19, 2021 12:38
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peanut- posted:Spoofing your location doesn't help you with the fact that if you are "logged in" but not picking up any rides Uber are gonna figure you out pretty quickly. Yeah and if there's an actual contract of employment presumably Uber could say to a driver 'you haven't had any rides in your area for the last month, move somewhere busier'.
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MikeCrotch posted:A reminder that over 95% of Uber drivers are already licensed taxi drivers That number is *supposed* to be 100%, because to my knowledge anywhere in the UK built-up enough for Uber to be interested in operating in require a PHV license (or their local equivalent). The PHV is just a criminal record check on top of a normal license though (fighting this requirement was one of the big "innovations" they tried to bring to the London minicab market).
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Jose posted:What a massive oval office Really weird that his calls for everyone to shut up and rally around the leader to pose a united front against the Tories only started in the last 10 months. 
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