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So the accusation by Perez is that he deserves to be in the second round, and he beat Lasso, and he demands the CNE perform a recount as only Perez can defeat "Correismo", by which he presumably means Arauz is just a front for Correa (after getting dumped from the VP slot). I went back a few pages in his Tweets, and I didn't see him accuse Arauz of not winning, can you point us at the relevant Tweets where Perez claims Arauz didn't place first? He seems to be claiming fraud putting Lasso in front by a fraction of a percent. Other sources would also be fine - again, skipping randos on Twitter please. I am guessing the real risk is that Moreno barely beat Lasso last election by 51% or thereabouts, and with him tanking his popularity it'll give a big shot in the arm to whoever faces Arauz in the runoff? I looked at the polling on Wikipedia's election article, and it's hard to say much but it does seem pretty clear that apart from "don't know" that Perez's party was pretty clearly in third place, but personalities become more important in the Presidential election, I guess. So in summary, Perez is alleging there was fraud to push him into third place behind Lasso, with various screenshots of tallies on his Twitter, demanded a partial recount, and got what he asked for. I looked for non-US press articles on the situation and al Jazeera's article says "Perez has since alleged wrongdoing in the first round – without providing evidence – and said a recount would offer a chance “to demonstrate to the country that there is no fraud, that the electoral process was transparent”." at https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/14/un-calls-for-transparency-in-ecuador-vote-recount https://news.trust.org/item/20210212233952-1xhcm/ says "Perez demanded a full recount after saying the vote had been manipulated, without presenting evidence of fraud. He argued that the data in the minutes of various electoral boards are inconsistent with data entered into the vote-counting system." I am curious why the articles point out Perez has provided no evidence, is there somewhere we can all go review the evidence of fraud?
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On a positive note, this sounds wonderful: https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/15109 "Mérida, February 1, 2021 (venezuelanalysis.com) – Venezuela has nominated Cuba’s Henry Reeve International Contingent of Doctors Specialized in Disasters and Serious Epidemics for this year’s Nobel Peace Prize." I am sure they could use the money more than some prior winners.
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https://twitter.com/Ecuador_On_Q/status/1362126157605466114?s=19 Venezuela is gonna help Arauz infiltrate and incite violence in the anti-fraud protests. The antifa did the capital riots defense, but in advance? Spice World War II fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Feb 17, 2021 |
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Spice World War II posted:https://twitter.com/Ecuador_On_Q/status/1362126157605466114?s=19 Could you perhaps try to edit your posts for more clarity? This could be important, but it's frankly somewhat incoherent. Thanks! The twitter source seems very informative though. Rust Martialis fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Feb 17, 2021 |
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imagine watching the OAS perform a coup that led to a bunch of massacres and not instantly ignoring them from then on
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So if I understand correctly, Yaku Pérez was chosen as the candidate of the indigenous and supposedly socialist-leaning Pachakutik party. If we assume Andrés Arauz is the leading leftist candidate under La Unión por la Esperanza (Union for Hope) party, why is Arauz even being challenged by Pachakutik such that Pérez seems to be one of the most vocal supporters of the recount? Why not join together in coalition? I know very little about Ecuador's politics so this is quite strange to me.
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adoration for none posted:So if I understand correctly, Yaku Pérez was chosen as the candidate of the indigenous and supposedly socialist-leaning Pachakutik party. If we assume Andrés Arauz is the leading leftist candidate under La Unión por la Esperanza (Union for Hope) party, why is Arauz even being challenged by Pachakutik such that Pérez seems to be one of the most vocal supporters of the recount? Why not join together in coalition? I think if you asked them they would say they opposed Correa's oil extraction in the Amazon (where many indigenous people in Ecuador live), and Arauz is Correa's candidate, but how honest that is I don't know. The main national federation of indigenous peoples' movements in Ecuador also fought with Correa about this. Badger of Basra fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Feb 18, 2021 |
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Badger of Basra posted:I think if you asked them they would say they opposed Correa's oil extraction in the Amazon (where many indigenous people in Ecuador live), and Arauz is Correa's candidate, but how honest that is I don't know. The main national federation of indigenous peoples' movements in Ecuador also fought with Correa about this. Ah ok, now that I think about it, it makes a lot more sense. I'm spitballing here, but given it's the first round of elections Pachakutik wasn't concerned about killing Arauz's chances to get to the second round. Rather, with this election they can indicate the base of support they have. Whether they get into the next round or not, they're indicating to Arauz there's a base of voters that want his party to focus more on indigenous causes and he is incentivized to reach out to them to win. Running a candidate in the 1st round is a win-win choice for Pachakutik. We need that here in the US...
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adoration for none posted:So if I understand correctly, Yaku Pérez was chosen as the candidate of the indigenous and supposedly socialist-leaning Pachakutik party. If we assume Andrés Arauz is the leading leftist candidate under La Unión por la Esperanza (Union for Hope) party, why is Arauz even being challenged by Pachakutik such that Pérez seems to be one of the most vocal supporters of the recount? Why not join together in coalition? When confused about something in latin america, it's a fair assumption that the CIA or State Department is somehow behind it.
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Spice World War II posted:https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1362176105332019201?s=19 Fantastic news that they were able to cancel it. Apparently China is funding Bolivia's projects and that's concerning? punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 06:11 on Feb 18, 2021 |
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The worst loaning from China can do is cost you a port, IMF will wreck your whole loving country for the blind greed of it. China at least wants to do business instead of being a vampire. E: Kirchner did something similar in regards to refusing to pay the IMF debt and the economy saw a boom long-term, what a surprise (yeah now the country's got different problems). E1: Yeah Bolivia doesn't even have ports, it's landlocked lol America Inc. fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Feb 18, 2021 |
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Do remember that Morales wants to sell Bolivian lithium to the world market. He wants to use it to fund Bolivian development programs, possibly even develop secondary industries that can add value to the lithium like turn it into functional batteries. Hence the friction between MAS and many indigenous groups right before the coup, which eroded MAS margins. And of course the corporate media used that as a casus belli as to why the fascist coup was a good thing, we need to give all executive power to a bunch of wealthy christian fascists who have absolutely zero qualms about digging out all the lithium from under the indigenous groups, shooting anyone who resists, and pocketing the profits to build giant loving houses.
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adoration for none posted:The worst loaning from China can do is cost you a port, IMF will wreck your whole loving country for the blind greed of it. China at least wants to do business instead of being a vampire. I know that that's not the point, but I imagine Bolivia slyly giving China a port in Lake Titicaca and China just being very upset to realize that it's a land-locked nation.
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100YrsofAttitude posted:I know that that's not the point, but I imagine Bolivia slyly giving China a port in Lake Titicaca and China just being very upset to realize that it's a land-locked nation. This is, for some reason, deeply funny. Just showing up like "ahhh gently caress" after the port has been built and suddenly realising.
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Phobophilia posted:Do remember that Morales wants to sell Bolivian lithium to the world market. He wants to use it to fund Bolivian development programs, possibly even develop secondary industries that can add value to the lithium like turn it into functional batteries. Hence the friction between MAS and many indigenous groups right before the coup, which eroded MAS margins. I think it's genuinely more accurate to say Arce wants to do that. He was Morales's Minister for the Economy and Public Finance, and now runs the country. It's probably a mistake to think of him as simply an inheritor of Morales's will rather than a guy advancing his own agenda in cooperation with Morales.
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Josef bugman posted:This is, for some reason, deeply funny. Just showing up like "ahhh gently caress" after the port has been built and suddenly realising. What if China then decides to invade Chile to give Bolívia a port which they will then take for themselves.
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Liberate the Chimu from the perfidious cuzqueño imperialists.
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Spice World War II posted:https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1362176105332019201?s=19 That brings tears of joy to my eyes Be free Bolivia 100YrsofAttitude posted:I know that that's not the point, but I imagine Bolivia slyly giving China a port in Lake Titicaca and China just being very upset to realize that it's a land-locked nation. "El mar nos pertenece por derecho, recuperarlo es un deber"
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ZearothK posted:What if China then decides to invade Chile to give Bolívia a port which they will then take for themselves. Tom Clancy? What are you doing possessing an innocent Something Awful goon!
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Josef bugman posted:This is, for some reason, deeply funny. Just showing up like "ahhh gently caress" after the port has been built and suddenly realising. I'm picturing the Curb your Enthusiasm theme playing as the CCP official looks over the lake.
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That China article is from 2017 by the way, and it's hard to take it seriously when it immediately brings up a right-wing smear campaign (the "Evo Morales girlfriend" story) that was launched in 2016 by the same people that led the coup in 2019. That campaign was used to hurt MAS before the referendum in 2016, and quickly dissolved into complete bullshit after the referendum, so if you're gonna bring it up in your article in 2017 by just providing the smear headline, but not the actual story, you probably have an agenda. The rest of the article then describes a bunch of facts about chinese investment in Bolivia, sort of admits that western/IMF led investment would at best not be a better alternative, but more likely come with more conditions, and also recognizes that all the numbers and even the IMF say that Bolivia's economic development under the MAS government has been a success story, but circles back to "china bad". It basically does the current favourite thing to do: claim to speak for all indigenous people and refute this development as extractivism that hurts them especially. In reality things are a lot more complicated, some parts of the indigenous movements have been critical of some parts of the MAS policies, but their landslide victory in the post-coup was once again based on an giant majority of indigenous people voting for them, and the opposition's achieved their biggest vote share amongst the "white" identifying population. quote:China’s presence in Bolivia has helped to foreclose opportunities for alternative development grounded in local and regionally-based sustainable production that could point towards resolution of the country’s deep-seated economic, social, and political conflicts This last paragraph is also typical, because it plays well with the fabricated campaigns aimed at western media run by people like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYX7koMKkPY and usually gains traction with western environmental activists who can't think outside their own gentrified neighborhood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhylNGKpLjE Both videos are well worth watching. By the way, a more recent article from Nacla about Bolivia states quote:Whatever its shortcomings, Morales’s MAS government made tremendous strides in economic development, national sovereignty, women’s and Indigenous rights, respect for the environment, and raising living standards, education levels, and healthcare coverage. The percentage of people living in poverty fell from 59.9 percent in 2006 when Morales came to power to 34.6 percent in 2017, with extreme poverty more than halving from 38.28 percent to 15.2 percent over the same period, according to government figures. For the first time in Bolivian history, Indigenous people could hold their heads high and participate as equals in politics. https://nacla.org/news/2020/10/24/bolivia-has-provided-us-radical-vision-hope 
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Zedhe Khoja posted:Liberate the Chimu from the perfidious cuzqueño imperialists. lol this is me in vicky 1
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Josef bugman posted:Tom Clancy? What are you doing possessing an innocent Something Awful goon! The book protagonist is Tacticool Pinochet, special forces, an Yankee with Chilean (white) parents, who must return to the land of his ancestors to save them from the barbarian communists in the new Pacific war.
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Spice World War II posted:Good stuff. Thanks for elaborating. What is the deal with Morales "girlfriend" scandal? I've read that he was dating a girl who wasn't 18 yet or something. Also, do we have exit polls of how the indigenous population voted last election? I'm curious how many if them support MAS.
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https://twitter.com/IsicaLynn/status/1362562010404151297 https://twitter.com/IsicaLynn/status/1362573712013205507 "As a matter of long-standing policy, the United States does not support political transitions by non-constitutional means."
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Pobrecito posted:https://twitter.com/IsicaLynn/status/1362562010404151297 As a side note that video is from 2015, although it's not like it's any less laughable then either.
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Rust Martialis posted:Could you perhaps try to edit your posts for more clarity? This could be important, but it's frankly somewhat incoherent. Are you telling someone to write better English in the Latin America thread punk rebel ecks posted:Fantastic news that they were able to cancel it. Concerning to US hegemony, I'm sure Cup Runneth Over fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Feb 20, 2021 |
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Are you telling someone to write better English in the Latin America thread "Venezuela is gonna help Arauz infiltrate and incite violence in the anti-fraud protests. The antifa did the capital riots defense, but in advance? If" isn't "bad English", it's incoherent. The twitter account he linked seems excellent though, so it was still a useful incoherent post. Have a Cool Day, friend!
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Rust Martialis posted:"Venezuela is gonna help Arauz infiltrate and incite violence in the anti-fraud protests. The antifa did the capital riots defense, but in advance? If" isn't "bad English", it's incoherent. It's pretty clear? They're mocking and noting someone floating the idea that Venezuela is going to start poo poo. OP believes that they're doing this to lay the groundwork for a future narrative. "The Antifa Did the Capital Riots" defense refers to a running bit of  where American right-wingers tried to insist that it was really secret Antifa that started the 1/6 riots. Except in this case they're not even waiting for trouble to start before planting a narrative.
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Rust Martialis posted:"Venezuela is gonna help Arauz infiltrate and incite violence in the anti-fraud protests. The antifa did the capital riots defense, but in advance? If" isn't "bad English", it's incoherent. So, the answer to my question is, "yes"? I realize that this is a petty concern compared to the other lovely content in your posts, but coming into the LA thread to tell off people for whom English is probably a second language for having bad grammar is loving incredible. Just total lack of awareness of your surroundings. Cup Runneth Over fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Feb 20, 2021 |
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Cup Runneth Over posted:So, the answer to my question is, "yes"? The answer to the first part is "no", and as to the second part, feel free to post actual content instead of pointless insults? I literally found that post incoherent. If
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punk rebel ecks posted:Very disappointing that Perez was so close but couldn't get second. to him, i'm sure
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Cup Runneth Over posted:to him, i'm sure I was under the impression that Pachakutik were "the good guys"?
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punk rebel ecks posted:I was under the impression that Pachakutik were "the good guys"? Eh, as Spice World War III pointed out, Pérez seems to be helping to spread lies about Arauz so he probably sucks too. Also I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, I noticed you've been coming into threads asking questions that seem quite... simple. VVV That's a good question. America Inc. fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Feb 21, 2021 |
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adoration for none posted:Eh, as Spice World War III pointed out, Pérez seems to be helping to spread lies about Arauz so he probably sucks too. Isn't he still attacking him from the left? Arauz threw Correa under the bus though and has been moving Ecuador further to the right.
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