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Clean Your Teeth posted:Holy moly - that's something I never expected to hear. Are the 200 comics the back collection? Yeah, it's the Paul saga, plus a few custom comics they made for other people.
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Who could have known that PA was Gamergate all along: https://twitter.com/BenKuchera/status/1362591633397678081
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habeasdorkus posted:Who could have known that PA was Gamergate all along: ooooooh this is not surprising at all but I want the deets.
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Clean Your Teeth posted:Holy moly - that's something I never expected to hear. Are the 200 comics the back collection? I was really shocked that more fans didn't think it was art. It was like the most avant garde thing on the internet at that point
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Feb 19, 2021 17:34
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habeasdorkus posted:Who could have known that PA was Gamergate all along: Somebody mentioned they did Kuchera dirty to begin with?
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stab stabby posted:I was really shocked that more fans didn't think it was art. It was like the most avant garde thing on the internet at that point Many of the creators close friends sure didn't think it was art and were clearly very worried for them, so that was kind of a tip off for me that it was a real mental breakdown. I think it was KC Green who tweeted about how hard it was to see someone you thought was a friend have a massively public meltdown and block your phone number while you're trying to find someone who can contact them to make sure they had someplace warm to sleep and weren't going to freeze to death. If it was an artistic production, it was a spectacularly self-absorbed one.
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Precambrian posted:Many of the creators close friends sure didn't think it was art and were clearly very worried for them, so that was kind of a tip off for me that it was a real mental breakdown. I think it was KC Green who tweeted about how hard it was to see someone you thought was a friend have a massively public meltdown and block your phone number while you're trying to find someone who can contact them to make sure they had someplace warm to sleep and weren't going to freeze to death. The duelling statements on pretending to be depressed and lying about pretending to be depressed can simultaneously be sublime art and also a symptom of a very genuine mental health crisis.
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Straight White Shark posted:The duelling statements on pretending to be depressed and lying about pretending to be depressed can simultaneously be sublime art and also a symptom of a very genuine mental health crisis. Wow no? No this wasnt a performance piece what the hell, this was an actual person in crisis, acting as though mental health issues in any way benefit either art or artist is very not great actually
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Feb 19, 2021 23:37
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I don't think a mental breakdown has to be performative or deliberate to be art, if that makes any sense there's a lot of overlap between art and cries for help, art as expression of things we can't talk about, art as representative of trauma, and in the age of the very public art I think riding that straight into imploding on stage for a cheering crowd is ... not inevitable, but you know it's in the chamber somewhere
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Lunatic Sledge posted:I don't think a mental breakdown has to be performative or deliberate to be art, if that makes any sense Wow get hosed! A person's suffering isn't art! You can find meaning in it but it's absurdly cruel and cold to call it "art"
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I could get one person with that weird take but how the gently caress are there 4 different people in the thread saying it
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Kojiro posted:Wow get hosed! A person's suffering isn't art! You can find meaning in it but it's absurdly cruel and cold to call it "art" sorry, maybe I'm misunderstanding, I thought that was the claim by the individual themselves--that it had all been part of the show or whatever--and so taking them not at their word would be to call them a liar. I was attempting to frame the fact that it can both be as stated and still real also I'm saying this from the perspective of someone who's suffering is art everything I've ever made has been a dude breaking down in real time, I sympathize with the position
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I misread the situation, and am someone who basically vomits his trauma onto the internet for a living those two things combined lead to me saying something stupid, and I apologize Edit: you know what, I am requesting a ban every time I post it is loving stupid and incendiary, I contribute nothing and am just here to plug my lovely stories, gimme the L Lunatic Sledge fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Feb 20, 2021 |
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Apologies, I'm perhaps a little extra snippy on this one because I've seen too many "its helpful for an artist to suffer" takes over the years and they immediately make me bristle. Got a lot of thoughts about how public an internet person's everything has to be too, it's just a lot. ^^ it's fine it's okay you don't need banned! Kojiro fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Feb 20, 2021 |
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Kojiro posted:Wow no? No this wasnt a performance piece what the hell, this was an actual person in crisis, acting as though mental health issues in any way benefit either art or artist is very not great actually I do not mean to suggest that it was a performance piece and I don't think I did? It was a very profound and resonant statement, and essentially indistinguishable from deliberate art without prior context. The entire thing is tragic and in no way does the pain the creator felt make the "faking depression" statement better as art, nor does any artistic merit it might have had make their suffering "better" or more justified. It's just a thing that happened. There is a debate to be had here as to where these things cross the line into voyeurism, and I acknowledge that I am wholly unqualified to determine that, so I apologize if I am out of line. I certainly would have been less comfortable with this line of discussion had PFSC itself not just re-emerged, but I agree that still doesn't make all aspects of the creator's life fair game.
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Kojiro posted:Apologies, I'm perhaps a little extra snippy on this one because I've seen too many "its helpful for an artist to suffer" takes over the years and they immediately make me bristle. Got a lot of thoughts about how public an internet person's everything has to be too, it's just a lot. oh god no I definitely miscommunicated then if brain problems could be tended to adequately and the entire system wasn't out to destroy the people who dream of bigger things, art would have a loving revolution jesus christ I wish suffering and art didn't overlap so much, I have seen so many webcomics turn out to be burning fuses and I hate it edit: to be clear when I say I wish suffering and art didn't overlap I don't mean they're intrinsically linked, I mean I wish trying to be an artist didn't so frequently have to be Hell Lunatic Sledge fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Feb 20, 2021 |
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stab stabby posted:I was really shocked that more fans didn't think it was art. It was like the most avant garde thing on the internet at that point im going to crack you like a walnut
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Digamma-F-Wau posted:I could get one person with that weird take but how the gently caress are there 4 different people in the thread saying it I feel like people have Big Brained themselves into "having a mental breakdown is actually good because it's sticking it to the libs"
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Feb 20, 2021 02:43
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Life can be painful, art can be a good way to cope with it. Art is not the root of the pain, except in the case of the three stooges.
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FunkyAl posted:Life can be painful, art can be a good way to cope with it. Art is not the root of the pain, except in the case of the three stooges. Wise guy, eh?
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I'm rereading Dr Mcninja and on this page Doc is like "Haha Franz Rayner's plan to kill the President and take over never could have worked, the framers of the Constitution created checks and balances so that the government can't be taken over by one lunatic, he'd have to kill the legislative and judicial branches too!" The 2000s were a more innocent time
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The United States is eventually taken over by a lone lunatic in that comic though. Also the constitution is at least partially enforced by the negazone thing right?
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While the checks and balances didn't exactly prove robust, I think the overall structure of the constitution held firm enough that somebody couldn't just take the presidency by killing the president. The process of becoming president is stupid and doesn't require the support of the majority of the electorate, but it's not that stupid. Also the whole reason impeachment didn't stick was because there's a whole cult of personality around Trump that the congressional Republicans want to ride on, but Frans Rayner specifically lacks the charisma for that sort of thing, hence the whole plan with Gordito's mustache.
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fun hater posted:im going to crack you like a walnut Ah, at the time, I had only seen the statement itself, and hadn't seen the stuff from the creators' friends. From the "i've been faking being depressed" statement alone, I thought it was a clever critique of that exact idea that artists had to suffer for their work. Then, a few weeks later, I saw a bunch of people who were really angry that the creator was slow to ship books, and thought that the angry fans were the reason they disappeared. Apologies! edit: ugh, knowing it was a real crisis feels terrible. I saw a few fans who took the statement at face value and then stopped reading the rest of the posts that popped up around it. Now I wish I stuck around more to see what the creator's friends had to say stab stabby fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Feb 21, 2021 |
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Wise guy, eh? *Claps you two on the head* That's enough from the peanut gallery *turns around and walks face first into a low hanging street sign*
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[extremely Shemp voice] I'm Shemp.
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I'm kind of fuzzy remembering the whole PFSC episode. I remember it feeling like performance art at the time. Didn't it involve mailing dead wasps to people? Or was that just a fever dream of mine?
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Pavlov posted:I'm kind of fuzzy remembering the whole PFSC episode. I remember it feeling like performance art at the time. Didn't it involve mailing dead wasps to people? Or was that just a fever dream of mine? I mostly saw it from the perspective of the author's horrified friends posting on twitter, so no.
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Pavlov posted:I'm kind of fuzzy remembering the whole PFSC episode. I remember it feeling like performance art at the time. Didn't it involve mailing dead wasps to people? Or was that just a fever dream of mine? the wasps were part of the kickstarter and presentation of the book. it wasnt performance art. im begging people to reign back the skepticism on a complete stranger's open struggles with mental illness.
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I know nothing about this, but speaking personally it is also its very possible to be trying to do art even during a massive mental break, where the mental break itself is obviously not art but your brain is sort... of trying to make art from it, as an escape valve? My crazytime art is generally a mess of half baked, half finished ideas though. So even if art happened, that doesnt mean the mental break itself wasn't real.
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I’m also thinking imposter syndrome combined with depression might lead someone to the flawed conclusion «I’m not feeling bad in the «correct» and expected way, do I have depression at all?»
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There is also the very real possibility that the "it's performance art" justification was made after the fact.
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literally the only people saying its performance art are in this thread. what the gently caress
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fun hater posted:literally the only people saying its performance art are in this thread. what the gently caress Actually all these posts are performance art, not people missing the point.
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Having inadvertently kicked this whole mess off, I guess I should clarify that I never once thought that the PFSC author was actually 'faking having depression'. That I think the statement is a good piece of art doesn't mean that I think it was all 'faked' or 'performance art' or not based on something real or whatever? Or that I'm saying that it's helpful for artists to suffer? In their own words: I'VE BEEN PRETENDING TO BE PRETENDING TO HAVE DEPRESSION FOR PROFIT AND I'M SORRY posted:The idea of a happy person drawing hundreds to thousands of compulsively melancholic stick figures "for profit" is a funny idea. e: as an attempt to steer the thread into more recent waters, Marblegate's starting to get particularly interesting, and has recently gone through a relatively successful donation drive; as a d&d themed, well drawn comic I don't understand how it's not more popular. And as a bonus, have some Irritability, another vaguely d&d-themed webcomic I am becoming more and more convinced that no-one else has ever heard of.  
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Clean Your Teeth posted:And as a bonus, have some Irritability, another vaguely d&d-themed webcomic I am becoming more and more convinced that no-one else has ever heard of. It's such a great comic, I just wish he'd update more.
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I kind of remeber Irritability! Well enough to recognize Chappy at least, nothing else is ringing a bell. I dipped into the archive but theres a decades worth of comics in there I can't find anything I remeber reading so far. Nice to see its still going at least.
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The entirety of PFSC exists on a sliding scale between being a creative outlet to cope with depression and being an uncomfortably personal window into someone's raw depression and it's not always easy to tell from the outside where exactly it crosses from one to the other.
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