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Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

at least its better than having an actual shooting war

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stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Is this the one where 20 Indians froze to death or it was a different incident? That's a lot of people.

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

Navalny looks like Yeltsin, unlike the current president, Yeltsin's chosen successor

Southpaugh
May 26, 2007

Smokey Bacon


very neoliberal vibes

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

looks cold

cool dog

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1362731180043497474

me, sad meme face: warmth plz

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018


https://twitter.com/wspieler/status/1362397404134334465

commielingus
Jan 23, 2021

by Athanatos
https://twitter.com/TheGrayzoneNews/status/1362600107846361089?s=20

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/Hedgeye/status/1362854970979155968

man this genocide is getting out of hand

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/fOrGiVeNcHy/status/1362200808096493578

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010


He never misses

https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1362595780972830724?s=20

DesertIslandHermit
Oct 7, 2019

It's beautiful. And it's for the god of...of...arts and crafts. I think that's what he said.

It's really funny that America relies on endtimes cultists for sources on stuff happening in China. And I don't mean evangelicals but poo poo like this and the Falun Gong people whose leader says he can walk through walls and poo poo.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
to me, this is the interesting quote in that article:

quote:

Lyle Goldstein, a China specialist and research professor in the Strategic and Operational Research Department of the Naval War College, told The Grayzone that Zenz’s labeling of the Chinese approach to the Uyghurs as “demographic genocide” is “ridiculous to the point of being insulting to those who lost relatives in the Holocaust.”

Goldstein said the Chinese approach to Xinjiang “is a more repressive posture than we would like, but it sure isn’t genocide.”
oh really :raise:

you don't say

he's also a CMSI guy which i'm pretty sure is the main U.S. military / national security bureaucracy think tank focused on the chinese military. these guys are not "the government" in the exact same sense, kinda orthogonal to it, but makes me wonder whether they're pushing back on crackpots like zenz now that trump is out of the picture

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 13:36 on Feb 20, 2021

GoLambo
Apr 11, 2006
I'm mostly upset that they couldn't even be bothered to take the effort to spin up a more reasonable lie, and this garbage has passed for reputable reporting. At least I can safely take my fence sitting hat off for this bullshit considering it's such a lazy fabrication.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


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it was the same poo poo in the bush administration. hired, ideological rent-a-weirdos and propagandists who fabricate or exaggerate claims and then launder that into the media.

i find it interesting goldstein talked to the grayzone. of course, the NWC and CMSI are very much liberal, pro-U.S. power people. that's their job. they're kinda like jack ryan types from "the hunt for red october" who is tom clancy's heroic version of an "area studies" expert who works in the background and whose job is to provide objective information about soviet systems to the U.S. government. and clancy was another nerd who was reading the same tomes that these guys read and contribute to like "proceedings." lyle goldstein is literally that guy, he's the chinese submarine guy -- his main specialty -- who would probably get dragged into the NSC like in that scene from the movie if a jin-class boomer has a meltdown. they speak the language of the country they've spent their careers studying and probably have weekly happy hour drinks with the russian and chinese military attaches in D.C.

that's not what zenz does, and that's not his function

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhc_DKZAofc

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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
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The argument I usually see online nowadays is "okay, so Zenz is lying, but surely SOME of it HAS to be true???"

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Alot of the recent genocide report don't even quote specific source or Uyghur names anymore, because they got caught giving inconsistent stories. So these articles just hand wave some "2018 19 research" and poo poo.

And BBC is doing a lot of smearing. We got to talk about how after Australia, UK is doing most of the heavy lifting attacking China in the recent months. Now Boris Johnson is talking about a "pandemic treaty" to basically side step WHO finding and figure out a new way to blame China on the pandemic.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

gradenko_2000 posted:

The argument I usually see online nowadays is "okay, so Zenz is lying, but surely SOME of it HAS to be true???"
the U.S. government would just do that? send tips to journalists and publish op-eds in the new york times containing lies???

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

the U.S. government would just do that? send tips to journalists and publish op-eds in the new york times containing lies???

you must be new to this, it is technically not propaganda because reasons
mah journalistic standards

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

DesertIslandHermit posted:

It's really funny that America relies on endtimes cultists to run the state department, cia

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1363148394131296260?s=19

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

lol her bio has a pretty wild twist

stephenthinkpad posted:

because they got caught giving inconsistent stories.

this criticism doesn’t sit well with me since it’s the same thing people use for victims of assault, harassment, or sexual abuse everywhere. like if there’s substantial evidence that their stories were induced or otherwise fabricated then good, but just calling victims/people out as liars seems not great Bob


navalny..... is BAE 😍😍😍

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
full video of this from the chinese military show, which the government seems so proud of they're mirroring it on CGTN for overseas consumption

if you want to see some masterclass propaganda, watch towards the end when the soldiers use the karakorum spirit to power up like dragonball z as the skyrim theme song plays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_cBOiN3pQQ&t=261s

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Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007


Alex Navalny and the Prisoner of Lubyanka

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1363043934012903424?s=20

Putin needs to go because Russian McDonalds didn't participate in the Szechuan sauce promotion.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

im having a great deal of trouble believing anyone in russia doesnt just think navalny is a giant buffoon

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

like the only person in american politics even approaching that level of cringe is andrew yang but last time i checked his speeches werent peppered with references to his favorite anime

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

the person fittin gthat bill would be the late herman cain

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

Some Guy TT posted:

like the only person in american politics even approaching that level of cringe is andrew yang but last time i checked his speeches werent peppered with references to his favorite anime

vice president kamala harris

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

indigi posted:

this criticism doesn’t sit well with me since it’s the same thing people use for victims of assault, harassment, or sexual abuse everywhere. like if there’s substantial evidence that their stories were induced or otherwise fabricated then good, but just calling victims/people out as liars seems not great Bob
the us foreign policy institutions have a very long history of completely fabricating wild claims of countries they dont like including trotting out propagandists from those target countries, so the well is completely poisoned and skepticism is completely justified resulting in the unfortunate consequence of actual atrocities living in a fog of war

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Is there list of YA novals that has been quoted by Navalny?

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

i am most definitely not a spy sent by the american government to destroy russia for the sake of my own selfish ambition

to prove my point i shall quote this character from a contemporary american cartoon who is motivated primarily by his own selfish ambition

John_A_Tallon
Nov 22, 2000

Oh my! Check out that mitre!

Some Guy TT posted:

i am most definitely not a spy sent by the american government to destroy russia for the sake of my own selfish ambition

to prove my point i shall quote this character from a contemporary american cartoon who is motivated primarily by his own selfish ambition


Would you call this practice Weeb-washing?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/OurHiddenHistry/status/1363296662391836675?s=19

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

the kosovo model involved fabricating claims of mass graves and mass murder six figure genocide before nato started bombing
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/aug/18/balkans3
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-oct-29-me-27493-story.html

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
They also flew F117 to Kosovo and got shot down. They want to try F22 on Xinjiang? I am sure it can be arranged.

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

comedyblissoption posted:

the kosovo model involved fabricating claims of mass graves and mass murder six figure genocide before nato started bombing
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/aug/18/balkans3
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-oct-29-me-27493-story.html

while a 100k victims is definitely too much, they were also filling trucks with bodies and transporting them to serbia

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/ForeignPolicy/status/1362915004492750859

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Centrist Committee posted:

vice president kamala harris

Steve Scully: Mrs. Vice president, what would you say is your favorite anime?

Kamala: Haha! ... Tupac!

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Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

smdh that the tankie lawyers in the State Department are genocide deniers

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