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For act 3 pathing, I usually go question mark heavy until I find Mind Bloom (and the double Orb Walkers event, if I'm confident my deck can handle it). Other than that, just the usual maximization of fires and elites, usually somewhat favoring elites.
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I am by no means a pro player and am in fact very bad but the main thing I ask myself when I get to act three is “how can this deck handle the Reptomancer?” I feel like the other two don’t require quite as much specificity in a deck, because if you can’t throw out a lot of damage really fast or an unreasonable amount of block (I’m not sure that’s really possible outside intangibility) then the amount of HP you’re going to lose is not worth a few extra relics that probably won’t change much about your load out at that point. I think if I could aggregate all my runs for all time, my top three deaths are 1) the second act one elite, whatever it is, after the first rips me apart because I have nothing to hit it with; 2) the act two boss when a deck just doesn’t come together yet; 3) Reptomancer.
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Feb 21, 2021 16:56
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Yeah Reptomancer is the main one that can be dangerous. Occasionally I've lost to Giant Head but that's usually with very bad decks that wouldn't have been able to beat the act 3 bosses either.
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Feb 21, 2021 17:06
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Reptomancer A18+ is messed up. You have a chance of just losing your run there even if your deck is built to handle her. You're right to think hard about her. I think I should probably skip act 3 elites more often than I do because there's a chance of just losing to her.
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Feb 21, 2021 17:07
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I avoid elites in act 3 since another relic isn't likely to have much impact by then and they can be dangerous, either by being reptomancer or an unlucky draw. Similarly, I avoid regular combats since most additions would just dilute the deck.
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Feb 21, 2021 18:30
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Straight White Shark posted:At higher difficulties the last one gets less true. Act 2 in particular gets some really nasty hallway fights, and elites get you way better rewards for not terribly more damage/risk. Act 3 elites can be a dicier proposition, since there is not as much time to see payoff and they're quite a bit riskier than the hallway fights. I’ve been helping my BFF get through A17 and the main thing I notice about his play is that he leans towards resting if he’s unsure what to do at a campfire. I’ve been trying to drill into his head that, when I’m doubt, upgrade something that will help you on the boss AND it’s better to be risky on act 1 because you can wipe and restart after 10 minutes rather than play it safe and increase your chances of wiping after you’ve played an hour.
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Feb 21, 2021 18:37
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I usually try and grab as many elites as I think I can handle in Act 3. I find them a lot easier than elites from 2, with possible exception of raptomancer. (and sometimes giant head, depending on the deck). Then again, I mostly play IC and Watcher so YMMV based on class.
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Feb 21, 2021 19:35
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Forktoss posted:Any rule-of-thumb tips for Act 3 pathing? I generally go "as many elites as possible" for Act 1 and "as few hallway fights as possible" for Act 2, but I don't really have any such guiding principle for Act 3. I'm on A9-10, if that makes any difference. Not having green key yet makes Act 3 pathing very straightforward. Otherwise, I go for ?'s unless my deck is really good at everything. The Act 3 elites are very demanding, you need fast scaling, heavy damage, and insane block/attack consistency to deal with all of them. I might risk it if I have two of those things and I don't think I can beat act 4 yet.
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Feb 22, 2021 00:26
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Act 3 also has some really good events so I usually go for question mark rooms as well.
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Feb 22, 2021 00:33
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Yeah, I'll always go for events over elites in 3 just because of Reptomancer.
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Feb 22, 2021 01:03
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Finally beat the Act4 heart thanks to this thread. Read the first few pages where people were extolling exhaust-centric ironclad and learning that I probably don't need to pick/buy as many cards as possible, and even get rid of some, was a revelation. Time to beat it with my actual favorite class, Defect
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Feb 22, 2021 01:05
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Away all Goats posted:Finally beat the Act4 heart thanks to this thread. Read the first few pages where people were extolling exhaust-centric ironclad and learning that I probably don't need to pick/buy as many cards as possible, and even get rid of some, was a revelation. Nice! Regarding act 3 elites, I'm doing a heart ladder so I usually hit 2 elites just to make sure my deck has what it takes to keep up with the heart. Like if I'm struggling with Repto I then need to figure out how to scale more block faster, or if I'm struggling with the giant head I need to scale more damage and card draw. Stuck on Watcher A9. I was stuck on A7 for two months, then beat the heart 8 times in one week. It feels bad because watcher is everyone else's best class.
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Feb 22, 2021 01:10
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I don't think I have the patience for upper ascensions
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Feb 22, 2021 01:31
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honestly i prefer to just play a15, i dont like to try hard in this game and most of my available video game time requires drugs for pain so i just wanna have a breezy game
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Feb 22, 2021 01:46
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I keep doing events in Acts 2 and 3 until I get Designer In-Spire, so that I can read its dialogue loudly and dramatically.
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Feb 22, 2021 02:38
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rabidsquid posted:honestly i prefer to just play a15, i dont like to try hard in this game and most of my available video game time requires drugs for pain so i just wanna have a breezy game
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Feb 22, 2021 03:15
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Yeah I just drink and play high ascension and die a lot
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Feb 22, 2021 03:31
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 Finally got the Who Needs Relics? cheevo. I kept trying to force upgraded burning blood on ironclad and never found it, switched to Defect and got a floor 0 glacier.
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Feb 22, 2021 06:20
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Frida Call Me posted:
Nice! Great job!
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Feb 22, 2021 06:32
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After getting my first win with Ironclad last night, I managed 2 wins with Silent and 1 with Defect (first try) today. They are both a real trip after playing Ironclad exclusively for ages. The Defect is extremely cool and I lucked into a build that made it so that I was able to block almost any single attack, most from the last boss. Ironclad's synergies seem less obvious to me than the other two.
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Feb 22, 2021 06:42
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This daily is hard as gently caress. Way too many cards.
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Feb 22, 2021 16:00
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metachronos posted:This daily is hard as gently caress. Way too many cards. The early Mummified Hand did some heavy heavy lifting for me.
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Feb 22, 2021 16:17
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Yeah usually when I work hard on the daily and am on the front page of high scores (obviously falling off after another hour or so) I'm like "hell yeah!" This time I was like "wow, Drunk Nerds, you need to work on getting more annoyed and rage-quitting because clearly everyone else did.'
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Feb 22, 2021 16:40
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Frida Call Me posted:Finally got the Who Needs Relics? cheevo. I kept trying to force upgraded burning blood on ironclad and never found it. It's actually impossible. You cannot get the upgraded version of your starting relic from the boss swap option. No Black Blood, no Frozen Core on Defect, etc. beer gas canister posted:Ironclad's synergies seem less obvious to me than the other two. There's no doubt in my mind that IC is the most complex of the first 3 characters. Exhaust in particular is not intuitive for most people. Sometimes when you exhaust a lot of cards, you put yourself on a clock and have to win the fight soon. Sometimes you just get rid of the garbage, make your deck much more efficient, and can continue to fight for a long time. Sometimes you set up infinite combos. Sometimes it's your block engine. There's such a huge diversity of possibilities from this one mechanic. It's easy to explain why you should gain focus or gain strength, but it's much, much more complex to answer "why should I exhaust my cards?"
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Feb 22, 2021 17:11
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I love power heavy decks so this was pretty easy for me, even if my score sucks. Upgrading After Image so it’s innate was my first upgrade. With almost 70 cards I needed something certain in my first hand.
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Feb 22, 2021 17:59
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Yoshi Wins posted:It's actually impossible. You cannot get the upgraded version of your starting relic from the boss swap option. No Black Blood, no Frozen Core on Defect, etc. Oh, I figured that - I just meant I did 15 or so runs and didn't get it as an act 1 or act 2 reward, and sputtered out before killing the act 3 boss. Not that it would've saved me, I'm awful at building ironclad decks.
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Feb 22, 2021 18:06
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metachronos posted:This daily is hard as gently caress. Way too many cards. Think my hardest problem was getting enough defend in Act I, but much of the daily for me revolved around summoning bludgeon or hyperbeam whenever possible.
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Feb 22, 2021 20:06
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Frida Call Me posted:Oh, I figured that - I just meant I did 15 or so runs and didn't get it as an act 1 or act 2 reward, Ah, yeah, that's a pretty good idea.
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Feb 22, 2021 20:53
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metachronos posted:This daily is hard as gently caress. Way too many cards. I got to play 11 copies of wish in a hallway fight so I was kinda into it I did try and speed things up after hitting 2k gold and 170hp though
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Feb 23, 2021 00:52
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Hey let's do that thing where we play a seed and discuss our choices. I'm stuck as Watcher at A9 so that's what I'm doing, but do whatever Ascension you want. The run seed is "FUDGELICKER69"
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Feb 23, 2021 02:19
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cheeseboy58 posted:
Congrats, Lifecoach!
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Feb 23, 2021 02:27
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cheeseboy58 posted:
I feel like 11 act 1 relics is a lot, right?
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Feb 23, 2021 02:36
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Drunk Nerds posted:Hey let's do that thing where we play a seed and discuss our choices.  You'd think that Busted Crown on floor 0 would cripple the run, but it turns out the one card you get offered is still a watcher card. 
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Feb 23, 2021 03:27
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Various Meat Products posted:
Nice! I've taken a break at the beginning of act 3 because I'm drinking b ut will check nnin tomorrow.
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Feb 23, 2021 03:31
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Drunk Nerds posted:Nice! I've taken a break at the beginning of act 3 because I'm drinking b ut will check nnin tomorrow. Good username/post/thread/forum combo
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Feb 23, 2021 03:32
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What are you drinking? I'm enjoying an Ipswich Oatmeal Stout, from one of Massachusetts' finest breweries
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Feb 23, 2021 03:34
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Various Meat Products posted:What are you drinking? I'm enjoying an Ipswich Oatmeal Stout, from one of Massachusetts' finest breweries Rad, I got one of those in the goon fantasy football craft beer league one year, delicious. I'm in WA state so I'm just drinking Red Hook Big Ballard. It was swill when I bought it when I lived in CA, but it turns out living 1 hour from 70% of the nations hops makes any IPA burst with flavor. Also, speaking of username combos, I've got various meat products curing in my garage right now, mostly pepp. I'd take a pic but I'm chairlocked rn.
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Various Meat Products posted:You'd think that Busted Crown on floor 0 would cripple the run, but it turns out the one card you get offered is still a watcher card. Never fear Busted Crown imo, the worst thing it will do is save you from deck bloat. disclaimer: am casual player only up to, like, A6
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On the discussion between Jorbs/Terrence/Baalor there was a mention of how transforming Silent cards at the beginning of a run has gotten way better now that Silent's card pool isn't as full of garbage, and I feel like there's a similar effect with Busted Crown as things have gotten buffed. Busted Crown is much more harmful in a situation where many of the cards you can see are straight up bad cards, and the win condition of a run relies on seeing specific good cards. In a situation where all cards are closer in power level, then it definitely isn't as bad, and that means it would be especially true that Watcher gets harmed the least by it.
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