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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rgxQMgw4bA Owen takes a look at some... interesting classical films.
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Feb 22, 2021 17:52
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~15 minutes: "This can only be done in a tool assisted speedrun, it is impossible to do this humanly." Okay, so how long until someone actually does this. ~35 minutes: "Sure enough, [CF] found away to make the shortcut humanly possible." Hell yes.
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Feb 22, 2021 17:59
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PushingUpRoses-"The History and Influence of Columbo - The Quirky Detective Who Won Our Hearts" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v3Fi9dDkYY Sarcopenia fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Feb 22, 2021 |
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Feb 22, 2021 18:34
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Lindsay made a video https://youtu.be/cHTMidTLO60
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Feb 22, 2021 18:42
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Mr Phillby posted:The film was heavily marketed as the thing you claim its a critique of. I generally don't agree with McCloud on these topics but I'm gonna push back on this. Marketing is handled by entirely separate people who are Not on the same page as anyone on the production side. There are plenty of instances where a work is entirely mishandled by marketing e.g. Jennifer's Body, oftentimes because the assumed default market when hot women are involved is teenage boys, devoid of context. I don't know enough about Sucker Punch as I've only seen snippets and some essays so I'm not gonna say definitively that the movie is a victim of such misrepresentation. But as evidence it's pretty flimsy.
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Feb 22, 2021 18:42
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Pants Donkey posted:Lindsay made a video I won't have time to watch this for a while, but this it looks like a serious endeavor. I won't even complain about the runtime because it seems like a premise that could produce a few books.
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Feb 22, 2021 19:28
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Jimquisition - Cruelty and Cowardice https://youtu.be/6eLePJaJBis
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Feb 22, 2021 20:07
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I forgot how long that scene of Brian from Family Guy puking was.
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Feb 22, 2021 20:21
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Pants Donkey posted:Lindsay made a video Really not comfortable with Lindsay constantly breaking out 'the trans' so much even ironically
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Feb 22, 2021 20:22
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Trojan Kaiju posted:I generally don't agree with McCloud on these topics but I'm gonna push back on this. Marketing is handled by entirely separate people who are Not on the same page as anyone on the production side. There are plenty of instances where a work is entirely mishandled by marketing e.g. Jennifer's Body, oftentimes because the assumed default market when hot women are involved is teenage boys, devoid of context. Like I just don't beleive that the movie works on any level as a feminist critique of the 'strong female protagonist' faux feminism of other movies because its just doing exactly that but lampshading it the smallest possible amount as long as you come into the movie with the 'correct' critical read. Like I guess you could read the sexy dance leading into the boring disconnected fight scenes as a swipe at the audience, explicitly linking the pointless action on screen to a woman forced to perform a distracting dance to hoodwink a man. But I feel like its equally vaild to read the paired scenes as a visulization of the main character taking ownership of her sexuality and using it as a weapon to trick a man who underestemates her. The action scenes themselves aren't there for any other purpose than to be big flashy action scenes. The only notable thing about them is that they're unconnected from the setting and plot so that anyone actually engaging with the story will find them dull as ditchwater. The intended audience won't care as they're here for the action and skimpy outfits and theres nothing there that will shock or make them uncomfortable.
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Feb 22, 2021 20:27
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Also it really says something when a black and white comedy film from the 50's is more progressive about trans issues than just about everything from the last few decades.
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Feb 22, 2021 20:30
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Its a good video but she did leave out Nicole Maines when talking about trans actors playing trans characters. Especially as a positive example seeing as she plays a superhero in a mainstream TV series.
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Feb 22, 2021 20:53
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Oh hey, our favourite badly lit Todd released a new video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXGq8UbktDM It's always fascinating since Todd is my only window into pop music, super market music excepted.
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Feb 22, 2021 21:30
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Antigravitas posted:Oh hey, our favourite badly lit Todd You'd think the guy would afford one of those budget Godox lights after all these years. 
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Feb 22, 2021 21:37
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Archer666 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rgxQMgw4bA This is pretty cool, I'd never heard about these films and it's interesting to see how ideology could leave a director blind to the messages presented in their own work. It's hard believe nazi's would present revolutionaries fighting against foreign occupation in a good light in any context outside of Germany itself. Vagabong fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Feb 22, 2021 |
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Feb 22, 2021 21:51
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Mr Phillby posted:The film was heavily marketed as the thing you claim its a critique of. Right, it was marketed as a thing it's a critique of, that was (i believe) intentional and part of the point, it's marketed to draw in the type of geek who likes the exact kind of film SP is railing against, and then sucker punching them with a film that says "your viewing habits are gross". To quote the man himself: "Zack Snyder: “I’m always shocked that it was so badly misunderstood. I always said that it was a commentary on sexism and geek culture. Someone would ask me, “Why did you film the girls this way?” And I’d say, “Well you did!” Sucker Punch is a gently caress you to a lot of people who will watch it.” Again, the "audience didn't notice" is a weak critique because for starters, audience did notice, at least a portion of them. I agree that the message of the film isn't as strong as it could be, but that's different from saying it isn't there in the first place. The reason the women don't have clear negative consequences tied to their actions like the characters in the films i mentioned is because sexism doesn't happen as a result of women doing something, it happens because they exist. Again, these fantastic action scenes are the dream world a woman goes to when she's being sexually exploited, it's not very subtle about what the action scenes are supposed to represent. That you don't see the sexy dance but it's only hinted at is salient to that, and almost every male figure in the film is trying to get some sort of ownership of these women. If they actually wanted to be the films you think they are then the camera work would have been far more objectifying than it was and they would have shown this super amazing erotic dance she's doing, but instead she retreats into a dreamworld as a way of handling the trauma and even in this dreamworld she still has a pained look on her face. The action sequences themselves are staples of the genres they're criticizing. Samurais, zombies, nazis, orcs knights and dragons, robots, representations of anime, fantasy and sci fi, in of themselves they're not connected to each other but together they are making a statement about the kind of genres that love to dress up exploitative poo poo as empowering because the bikini-clad schoolgirl can handle a gun/katana/spaceship or whatever. Again, there's a lot of context here that's being ignored in favor of reducing it all into "Girls dressed as strippers have action scenes". I'm not saying it's a cinematic masterpiece, but despite fumbling the execution I think it's pretty clear that the film has a message about sexism and exploitation.
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Feb 22, 2021 21:56
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McCloud posted:
lmfao come on man e: the last bastion of defense against a bad director is to blame the audience but i've never seen a director accuse the audience of creating the bad movie
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Feb 22, 2021 22:06
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:I forgot how long any scene of family Guy was. Also Southpark sure did eventually backpedal on their original stance on transitioning. (Outside of retconning the status of Cartman's Mom in a 2part episode that is now banned for completely different and sillier reasons)
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Feb 22, 2021 22:07
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fun hater posted:lmfao come on man It happens sometimes.
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Feb 22, 2021 22:20
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DeafNote posted:Also Southpark sure did eventually backpedal on their original stance on transitioning. Southparks representation of trans people is insanely hateful, to the point they straight up played footage of grs for yuks
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Feb 22, 2021 23:56
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I remember Family Guy had a thing where the 'joke' was Peter looking in Cleveland's mailbox and all the magazines were just... racist black stereotypes. I kept trying to wrap my head around the joke and there wasn't one, which is often the case with Family Guy.
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Feb 23, 2021 00:00
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Ash Crimson posted:Southparks representation of trans people is insanely hateful, to the point they straight up played footage of grs for yuks And if it isn't deliberately hateful, it's the kind of ironic hateful that's so utterly indistinguishable from genuine hate that chuds have utterly latched on to their lovely jokes about trans athletes, celebrating a semi-recent episode as genius because of how it poo poo on them. It's actually kind of impressive how I literally do not hear about south park at all these days outside of incidents like that, where they make an episode so bad a bunch of internet assholes start passing it around nodding to one another about how true and good it is because it perpetuates their lovely worldview.
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Feb 23, 2021 00:03
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Ash Crimson posted:Southparks representation of trans people is insanely hateful, to the point they straight up played footage of grs for yuks Which baffles me because the first fuckin' season had Big Gay Al, who was portrayed as a nice friendly dude who everyone in town loved. South Park, Family Guy, and even Simpsons had this problem where they felt the need to go in hard on the meanspiritedness in their later seasons.
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Feb 23, 2021 00:26
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:Which baffles me because the first fuckin' season had Big Gay Al, who was portrayed as a nice friendly dude who everyone in town loved. Prolly because the only people who still keep up with those shows are emotionally stunted jackasses.
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Feb 23, 2021 00:31
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:Which baffles me because the first fuckin' season had Big Gay Al, who was portrayed as a nice friendly dude who everyone in town loved. but then you go to the wiki and quote:he boys, however, didn't like their new Scouts Leader, and rallied to get Al back, and Gloria Allred and others forced the Scouts to re-accept him. He rejected this, saying he knows the Scout leaders are still good men, and since the scouts are a private club, they should have the right to exclude people if they choose to, just as he has the right to express himself as a gay man. 
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Feb 23, 2021 01:31
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Famethrowa posted:but then you go to the wiki and yeah. the show has some moments of "wow thats actually forward thinking but than it dives into GenX "both sides are dumb maaaaan" bullshit. i am someone who enjoys south part alot at times and genuinly love some of the characters, as person with disabilities, i always loved jimmy/timmy and the special ed class thing because yeah there is some low hanging fruit jokes but i genuinly liked their characters and poo poo, to me jimmy is a better representation of physical disabilities then most shows i have seen but thats me. but yeah other than that the show is mixed at best when it comes to that kinda poo poo and gets stupidly regressive too often in dumb ways. again, i havent watched them in couple years and i kinda moved on to different stuff. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Feb 23, 2021 |
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Feb 23, 2021 01:37
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Jimbot posted:I don't think it's exactly fair to bring the marketing of a film into what the film actually is. Marketing tends to be out of the filmmakers' control and it often lies about what the film is about all the freaking time. One infamous example that I can think of off the top of my head was for The Road. The trailers for that film position it as an action film set in a post-apocalypse when that film is anything but. Inglorious Bastards was another one, where the ads for it were pretty much entirely made up of like the two action scenes in the movie.
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Feb 23, 2021 01:38
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I would say it's the libertarian way but then I remember Penn and Teller: Bullshit having a full episode on how lovely the Scouts ban was.
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Feb 23, 2021 01:39
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Kim Justice posted:I would say it's the libertarian way but then I remember Penn and Teller: Bullshit having a full episode on how lovely the Scouts ban was. penn and teller are pretty socially progressive though in general and i am pretty sure penn has walked back on alot of libertarian's stuff least the big gross poo poo.
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Feb 23, 2021 01:42
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you know the thing bad games do where they make you do an obnoxious fetch quest but have a one-liner about 'yeesh whats with it with these obnoxious fetch quests? yuk yuk!' but it doesn't change the fact that its still an obnoxious fetch quest? thats basically what sucker punch is
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Feb 23, 2021 01:48
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Famethrowa posted:but then you go to the wiki and Ugh, yeah, huge miss at the end there.
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Feb 23, 2021 02:03
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Kim Justice posted:I would say it's the libertarian way but then I remember Penn and Teller: Bullshit having a full episode on how lovely the Scouts ban was. Reminder that they did an episode on how smoking wasn't so bad and how exercising wasn't really all that good Once they ran out of easy targets it just became contrarianism: the show Oh you think recycling is good? You loving idiot, you utter moron
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Feb 23, 2021 02:10
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Nah, their biggest "what the gently caress?" was defending big corporations, I think it was Walmart, going to 3rd world countries and extracting wealth from them and did so from the point of "it gave them jobs and they had shelters for their employees to sleep in!"
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Feb 23, 2021 02:14
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Farg posted:you know the thing bad games do where they make you do an obnoxious fetch quest but have a one-liner about 'yeesh whats with it with these obnoxious fetch quests? yuk yuk!' but it doesn't change the fact that its still an obnoxious fetch quest? Yeah there is a trend in movies and games where saying a thing exists is commentary in itself. Which is technically true but what does it actually accomplish. It feels like it’s the film version of I’m not racist but. Or not to pry but.... those types of things
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Feb 23, 2021 02:15
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Yardbomb posted:Inglorious Bastards was another one, where the ads for it were pretty much entirely made up of like the two action scenes in the movie. Doesn't every trailer misrepresent Tarantino movies.
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Feb 23, 2021 02:26
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critique must, of necessity, include in itself some quantity of its subject because that is what it is discussing.
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Feb 23, 2021 02:36
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Ash Crimson posted:Southparks representation of trans people is insanely hateful, to the point they straight up played footage of grs for yuks Actually, that entire season was them sheepishly backpedaling on everything. “Er...trans people are human being.” “So uh....alcoholism is an actual condition.” “Remember what we said about global warming? About that...” But they did a tone-deaf episode about trans people in sports, so don’t worry, South Park still sucks.
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Feb 23, 2021 02:41
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Ghostlight posted:critique must, of necessity, include in itself some quantity of its subject because that is what it is discussing. Critique must also feature some critique as well. I’d argue it’s the most important part
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Feb 23, 2021 02:44
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Jimbot posted:Nah, their biggest "what the gently caress?" was defending big corporations, I think it was Walmart, going to 3rd world countries and extracting wealth from them and did so from the point of "it gave them jobs and they had shelters for their employees to sleep in!" There's the climate change episode which is....well, it was pretty bad then and is just a completely hilarious misfire now. I mean, holy poo poo lol. Good god did they gently caress that one up. Bullshitting rich people into drinking tap water and eating poo poo presented as gourmet was funny, of course. The show's a sort of historical curio from the beforetimes when people were allowed to put their YouTube video essays on television.
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Feb 23, 2021 02:51
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They were going to do an episode the Bullshit About Bullshit that went over all the stuff they got wrong as a series finale but the show was canceled. Always been curious what they would've said they got wrong.
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