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The Gunslinger posted:That seems kind of nuts, I haven't heard that from anyone. I personally did a Total Cost of Ownership comparison with 2 other cars I was looking at where I amortized the costs over 6 years. I rarely buy a new car but if I do, I keep it at least 5 years and usually more like 6-8, barring unforeseen events like accidents or etc. I wouldn't want to keep a car much longer than that anyway due to new tech and other safety improvements. Yeah, I bought my Altima in 2013, paid it off in April 2019 and was like "Boy it is nice to not have any car payments!", then in December 2019 I randomly watched a video of the windows breaking during the Cybertruck reveal to laugh at it...and the youtube algorithm then bombard me with Tesla videos. So by January I had ordered a P3D-, but it did take till July to finally get delivery of it thanks to covid and other 2020 fuckups. Not that I haven't held on to vehicles for a long time, what I was driving before the Altima was a 1993 Nissan light truck that was rusted to hell, and we also drove a Chevy Impala 241,000 miles in ~10 years. I can't really see holding on to a vehicle for more than 10-12 years because stuff just starts to rust/break after that amount of time even if you care for it well. On the other hand switching vehicles at less than 5 years would feel wasteful/excessive if it is still working fine, get a few more years out of it while its paid off and still cheap to maintain.
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Any sites with the details on the hyundai/kia update? I see nothing new on their sites.
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priznat posted:Any sites with the details on the hyundai/kia update? I see nothing new on their sites. This livestream is set to begin in 9 hours: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTiI1XPElK8 That's 2:00 AM my time, guess I'll find out what's new tomorrow morning!
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Nfcknblvbl posted:This livestream is set to begin in 9 hours: Ohhhh  it says 11pm PST on the site and my brain just thought AM because a stream that late would be weird not thinking of it is probably from Seoul. Ah well something to check out if I’m up then and remember!
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priznat posted:Ohhhh I'll try and post highlights if I'm up
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Clayton Bigsby posted:Man, I know some people who have bought Models 3s claiming they will keep it for 30 years since it's futureproof and nothing on it will wear out. From what I've seen of paint quality and rust proofing, Model 3s are not going to last long anywhere that gets road salt.
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LMAO so the hyundai premiere thing didn't really say anything about prices or dates (for the us) which is the most important thing right now to me. Reservations are apparently available now for germany, uk, france, norway, and the netherlands claiming summer 2021 availability. The uk reservation site says 45k GBP, while the netherlands site says 58,995 euro for a 1st edition/production which is fully loaded. For reference, an id.4 1st max was €59,950 in germant Main things that stood out to me, not all of it being new: Rear seats can slide forward/back Camera based side mirrors (probably will delay us release) 3 meter wheelbase or as they said 100mm longer than the palisade, gives it a 2" longer wheelbase than a model x and a 5" longer wheelbase than a 3 assuming the first thing that popped up on google is right. Front seats seem to mimic recliners 400/800v charging. 80% in 18 minutes, 100km in 5 V2L for powering things off an inverter gwrtheyrn fucked around with this message at 08:35 on Feb 23, 2021 |
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Charles posted:The Ioniq 5 premiere is Feb 22 11pm Pacific time. Yeah that was pretty underwhelming, and didn't tell us much more than this, and the actual design, which is a little futuristic but nothing too bad, IMO. In addition to the post above mine: Flush door handles (I'd rather have regular, but whatever) Autonomous driving package where they explicitly mentioned it slows down in curves Two giant screens in the dash but a fair level of normal controls otherwise LEDs on the speakers like on a Kia Soul 
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Feb 23, 2021 08:24
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Yikes that wheelbase. It's even a few cm longer than the Model S. I wonder what turning circle the AWD version will get.gwrtheyrn posted:
This seems really awesome. It's a whopping 3.6 kW! You get a regular socket in the cabin and an adaptor to the charging port, which supplies the same power outside the car. That's enough power to run a compressor or a power washer or a vacuum cleaner. Or four vacuum cleaners! No need for a power socket at your parking spot to do cleaning and maintenance, you could also power wash it wherever so long as you brought or had available water.
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Okay so if you click into the sites you can get pricing for base model + the 1st edition package Base Price: 41,900.00 EUR / 40,000.00 GBP Project 45 package including all-wheel drive and 72.6 kWh battery [2], [3] 17,650.00 EUR 6,500.00 GBP (I suspect this may not include the same things as the german price) So it's probably going to be ID.4 price range. Also apparently preliminary estimate of 287 miles, probably wltp, and 5.2s 0-60. And apparently has a front trunk gwrtheyrn fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Feb 23, 2021 |
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 Man that looks really nice for a charging break, if I'm not making money vacuuming the other cars at the Ionity station.
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Ola posted:
Bets on that only being on the top trim, and there's 0% chance I'd pay for it if it's an extra $18k like it is for the german preorders
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gwrtheyrn posted:Also apparently preliminary estimate of 287 miles, probably wltp, and 5.2s 0-60. And apparently has a front trunk The frunk is pretty small apparently. Looks like they gave info out to press / youtube with an embargo of course. https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/hyundai-ioniq-5-tesla-model-y-ford-mustang-mach-e-vw-id-4-comparison/ Dimensions: smaller than a model Y despite the wheelbase, a little bigger than an id4.
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Charles posted:The frunk is pretty small apparently. Looks like they gave info out to press / youtube with an embargo of course. Looks like both cnet and arstechnica say this fall. Wonder if that's just speculation based on when things normally come out or if they were actually told that.
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gwrtheyrn posted:Looks like both cnet and arstechnica say this fall. Wonder if that's just speculation based on when things normally come out or if they were actually told that. For some reason we get an extra 5kwh or so in North America which is what takes away our frunk space 😭 https://www.hyundainews.com/en-us/models/hyundai-ioniq_5-2022-ioniq_5 This has a bunch of specs I'm getting tired to read, but I saw available solar roof :P edit: OH YEAH there's a HUD, which is cool, I really liked the one on the Mazda I drove Kia Soul Enthusias fucked around with this message at 09:07 on Feb 23, 2021 |
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Ok that Ioniq 5 seems really good for that price! I'm with Ola, going to offset my charging costs by cleaning other cars while I wait. I can see the money rolling in already! Long extension cords and I'll get the ICE cars as well. All these new electic cars make me want one so bad, but at the same time I'm really glad that I went with PHEV in the meantime, because I'd be really sad if I just blew a ton on a model 3 or KIA e-Niro. I also worked out that buying my car with cash was the right way compared to leasning. It's cheaper per month, and I still have a car after 3 years. But then again, this is a KIA with 7 years warranty, so buying it makes more sense. I'm now also going from 120km a day to using my bicycle to go to work for 3 months, so there is no excuse not to use 100% electric during this period unless I'm going for longer trips. Anyway, the Ioniq 5 is on my top 3 list for when I'm going full electric.
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MrOnBicycle posted:
Sounds like a good plan. You'll get more value / less waste out of your current car, local infrastructure will be better and the Ioniq 5 will have its inevitable v1.0 bugs shaken out.
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Ola posted:Sounds like a good plan. You'll get more value / less waste out of your current car, local infrastructure will be better and the Ioniq 5 will have its inevitable v1.0 bugs shaken out. Yeah, and I think the low tax and being a PHEV will make it hold value more than diesels and petrol cars. One thing I love with EVs is that there is a return of RWD as well.
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MrOnBicycle posted:One thing I love with EVs is that there is a return of RWD as well. A lot of the move to FWD was due to packaging for manufacture, plus cost of said manufacture - which EV's pretty much make irrelevant. Now RWD can win for ease of assembly, there's a shitload less complexity to stick between the axles and hey, keeping the steering and drive units separate is cheaper to make as well! Let alone the fact FWD and big torque from zero are not a good mix. Oh and no engine / motor in the front? Well that makes for a biiiiiig crumple zone now with no need to design for a big heavy engine and gearbox to go under the car - and if it's AWD there's much less there to have to design for in crash. EV's are pretty much perfect to work with a faster reacting traction control too. When you put it all together I think FWD might well be a loser in the EV switchover, RWD I think will be the entry level with AWD / multi-motor used for upscale and performance variants (where the cost of manufacture will be offset by higher prices of course).
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3.6kW inverter is enormous! You could charge a Zero FX 3.6 off that!
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Finger Prince posted:3.6kW inverter is enormous! You could charge a Zero FX 3.6 off that! You can charge anything off that, until the Ioniq's battery runs out that is. A stranded Tesla Model S will get 20 km of range with just one hour of emergency help (probably 15 km after charging losses).
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Ola posted:You can charge anything off that, until the Ioniq's battery runs out that is. A stranded Tesla Model S will get 20 km of range with just one hour of emergency help (probably 15 km after charging losses). Yeah I mean you can charge it at the maximum rate it can take. Like you'd get from a wall outlet. 120V/240V-30A/15A. I dunno maybe picking that particular model zero was a bad example of what I wanted to emphasize. Finger Prince fucked around with this message at 12:52 on Feb 23, 2021 |
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH how could you miss something so obvious on a press reveal car?https://twitter.com/julkinen/status/1364146996689457159?s=20 *edit: good looking car though. Olympic Mathlete fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Feb 23, 2021 |
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Olympic Mathlete posted:AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH The problem is the scratches on the wheel arches, not the wheels, because those wheels are loving wicked.
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Finger Prince posted:The problem is the scratches on the wheel arches, not the wheels, because those wheels are loving wicked. If I bought it I'd certainly be glad at all the innovation in wheel cleaning products because gently caress having to do those by hand.
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Has anyone ever done directional wheels or hub caps? Strange that Tesla haven't.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:If I bought it I'd certainly be glad at all the innovation in wheel cleaning products because gently caress having to do those by hand. You can just plug a powerwasher into the EV power at least!
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Ola posted:Has anyone ever done directional wheels or hub caps? Strange that Tesla haven't. I think C4 Corvette turbine wheels were directional. I’m sure there are other examples.
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Ola posted:Has anyone ever done directional wheels or hub caps? Strange that Tesla haven't. My 2000 Honda Prelude has directional wheels. Apparently the 2014 i3 had directional wheels as well, but they were removed for all subsequent years. I didn't even realize that wasn't the norm until right this moment.
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DoomTrainPhD posted:I regret to inform you all that the R1T and R1S have the same dumb turn signal stocks as the model 3. The ones that don't physically stay down? Is there a physical headlight switch?
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extravadanza posted:Haha no clue, second sensor issue in 6 months of ownership so if you thought they had that poo poo figured out from the 3.... Well. My wife told me that if we lost operating heat on our EV, she would be VERY unhappy, And I live in San Diego.
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Was there a kia event too with their sister car to the ioniq 5? Or is that in a little bit.
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Ola posted:Has anyone ever done directional wheels or hub caps? Strange that Tesla haven't. My Taycan summer wheels are directional and for additional fun the front and back are also different sizes.
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While hunting for CANBus info for my own non-EV project, I stumbled across this guy and as a card carrying RADL member, am very conflicted. Nissan Leaf swapping a RX-8 https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCmGNSr2fBCAys7zGorELSJV1IywXQ2d5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otLut2NulYc We're entering the hot rodding days of the 1940's again I think and it is awesome. Flip side of the coin: https://lunaz.design/
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Swapping the worst EV drivetrain ever built into the worst rotary drivetrain ever built has a certain symmetry to it that I really enjoy. (I love the RX8 but the Renesis is a disappointing piece of poo poo.)
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MrYenko posted:Swapping the worst EV drivetrain ever built into the worst rotary drivetrain ever built has a certain symmetry to it that I really enjoy. There's a convertible version of the RX8 that comes without a rotary engine 
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new EV mail truck! quote:As for Oshkosh's prototype truck, it's actually based on a Ford Transit. Ford in the past confirmed it was working with Oshkosh on the USPS mail truck prototype, but it's not clear how the vehicle has evolved over the past few years. Ford declined to comment on its work with Oshkosh and the NGDV program. https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/usps-electric-mail-trucks-oshkosh-defense/
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It's a big Daihatsu Mira step through! https://twitter.com/uhalevi/status/1364351308124336131?s=19
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Norwegian YouTuber Bjorn has been posting Mach-E testing videos... https://youtube.com/user/bjornnyland The center screen software... Needs some work.
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