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signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting

Meme Poker Party posted:

There is a market and it's not immoral so why not.

Yeah I mean, boobs and bobs are whatever. On the other hand, I could show you some things in tabletop gaming that I would call immoral. I have barely scratched the surface here because I seriously would feel gross linking some of the worse poo poo.

Anyway you would probably appreciate this https://badsquiddogames.com/

I particularly like their post-apoc models

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QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

QuarkJets posted:

Most popular doesn't mean best, in fact it often means bland poo poo that achieves wide appeal. So what are the most popular anime? Naruto. Pokemon. Dragonball. Bland poo poo that has achieved wide appeal

feelix posted:

Pokemon loving rules you hipster dork

feelix posted:

I haven't actually seen many episodes of the anime, I just like Pokemon as a media franchise because the monsters are very cute and funny

feelix if I had a dollar for every time that your illiteracy led to you saying something stupid I'd be Oprah rich

Unlike you I actually watched that show as a kid. It was lovely. Popular, but even at 10 years old I could recognize that it was crap. The games were fun (but again: only for little children)

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Thing is about the anime that got big in the 90s was that it was still a step above most of the cartoons on at the time, and certainly whatever garbage that teenagers were expected to watch when they were supposed to grow out of them. Gundam Wing is actually considered one of the weakest Gundam series (mostly in that whatever you liked about it, another Gundam does it better) but it blew people away at the time because it had giant robots piloted by cute boys in a big war where poo poo actually matters and people actually die.

Dragon Ball Z is dumb as hell but aware of it and that's why everyone loves it.

signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Dragon Ball Z is dumb as hell but aware of it and that's why everyone loves it.

This is the way

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

QuarkJets posted:

feelix if I had a dollar for every time that your illiteracy led to you saying something stupid I'd be Oprah rich

Unlike you I actually watched that show as a kid. It was lovely. Popular, but even at 10 years old I could recognize that it was crap. The games were fun (but again: only for little children)

pokemon wasn't lovely, for the age range it was great, that is why every child in the world went completely nuts for the anime

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
gamefreak continues to resolutely design games for the 9-12yo demo and hope the weird adults go away

which, frankly i dont blame them

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

If we’re talking about Sexual Video Games I’m surprised people leap to “no sex” instead of the alternative “all sex”. Either everyone is trying to gently caress the player or nobody should. Either there’s equal sexualization across genders or there’s no sexualization.

Sexual dimorphism and cultural constructs aside, there should be at least some attempt at parity. In FFXV the first female character you meet has the sluttiest character model in the game. But the character you spend most of the game with is a muscly himbo who rarely wears a shirt and also serves as your Faustian feminine. Luckily the game doesn’t let you gently caress anyone, and it passes my Official Test.

It’s stupid to be a white guy playing a video game and the default is a white guy and the bulk of the characters are white and most of the romance options are white girls. In a game like Mass Effect there’s no reason Wrex couldn’t jerk my character off in the loading dock. Frankly, the fact that they wouldn’t let him is an injustice

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Caesar Saladin posted:

pokemon wasn't lovely, for the age range it was great, that is why every child in the world went completely nuts for the anime

the game was great for that age range, it's the anime that was lovely

which was my whole point, popular doesn't mean good

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

jokes posted:

It’s stupid to be a white guy playing a video game and the default is a white guy and the bulk of the characters are white and most of the romance options are white girls. In a game like Mass Effect there’s no reason Wrex couldn’t jerk my character off in the loading dock. Frankly, the fact that they wouldn’t let him is an injustice

i'd say nowadays most video games do not focus solely on white people. Maybe 10 years ago but its hardly the case anymore, they seem to make more of an effort at least.

Caesar Saladin fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Feb 24, 2021

Martman
Nov 20, 2006

Caesar Saladin posted:

pokemon wasn't lovely, for the age range it was great, that is why every child in the world went completely nuts for the anime
I was born in '88, loved the first generation of Pokemon games, and was painfully aware that the cartoon sucked poo poo. Dragonball Z was way better.

Yes, I watched a couple seasons of it, pretty much out of kid stubbornness and attachment to the games, but I was never ever completely nuts for the show.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
the main character is the thing

every time you have a non cishetwhitedude protag, roll a d20. on a 1, receive nazi crusade and credible death threats the cops wont do anything about

e: roll at disadvantage if AAA

bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 08:13 on Feb 24, 2021

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

bob dobbs is dead posted:

gamefreak continues to resolutely design games for the 9-12yo demo and hope the weird adults go away

which, frankly i dont blame them
They balance the games for their poo poo competitive format, which is the only thing to do in the postgame since they stripped every single good feature out of the maingames by now. You do have to gorgive them the creators of one of the most valuable franchises in history, there's know way they could put in all the pokemon or make models that don't look like poo poo. It's not like a budget Digimon game managed to. gently caress Gamefreak, gently caress Creatures Inc, and gently caress the people who defend those lazy rear end motherfuckers.

Workaday Wizard
Oct 23, 2009

by Pragmatica
They should balance Pokemon for grognard neckbeards :unsmigghh:

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

pokemon the anime is funny

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

Gaius Marius posted:

They balance the games for their poo poo competitive format, which is the only thing to do in the postgame since they stripped every single good feature out of the maingames by now. You do have to gorgive them the creators of one of the most valuable franchises in history, there's know way they could put in all the pokemon or make models that don't look like poo poo. It's not like a budget Digimon game managed to. gently caress Gamefreak, gently caress Creatures Inc, and gently caress the people who defend those lazy rear end motherfuckers.

drat, looks like the peeps who made the previous pokemon games good quit and now they may be able to see their kids again, im happy for them

signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting
Personally, and I'm just sayin this is *me* you don't have to agree with it, but the basslines in pokemon are not nearly dirty enough for me and my advanced testes

signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting
woops I meant tastes

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

The best Pokémon since fire red/leaf green is Let’s go Eevee because Eevee is the best and cutest Pokémon, and slaying hordes of random, usually cute Pokémon in the wild with the pokemon you specifically trained for battle is a dick move

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

the best point and click adventure game is the first discworld game, followed by the second discworld game, followed by leisure suit larry 7. the monkeh island games are nowhere near best

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

other good ones: chronomaster, the black mirror, i have no mouth and i must scream

Serephina
Nov 8, 2005

恐竜戦隊
ジュウレンジャー
Where does Grim Fandango fit into all of that? It's the only one I played, the sparse others I tried where too comically player-hostile / limited bullshit that I quit after a short while.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Why are protagonists of Japanese games assumed to be white

Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

~🚚special delivery~📦

Serephina posted:

Where does Grim Fandango fit into all of that? It's the only one I played, the sparse others I tried where too comically player-hostile / limited bullshit that I quit after a short while.

Grim Fandango is the swan song of the whole genre IMO. And yeah, I Have No Mouth is just something the hell else. Never played a game with writing even remotely like that.

Workaday Wizard
Oct 23, 2009

by Pragmatica

Dewgy posted:

Grim Fandango is the swan song of the whole genre IMO. And yeah, I Have No Mouth is just something the hell else. Never played a game with writing even remotely like that.

That's because it was written by an actual writer. Not a game """""writer""""".

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
same w disco elysium

theres like orders of magnitude more cash in video games than in books, i dunno why peeps dont get actual high quality writers for video games more often

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

It's a different medium and most novel writers sick in it. Half of ubisofts games have a quote unquote real writer and they still suck rear end.

signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting

Serephina posted:

Where does Grim Fandango fit into all of that? It's the only one I played, the sparse others I tried where too comically player-hostile / limited bullshit that I quit after a short while.

Grim Fandango was not a point and click adventure game until it was given the remaster treatment

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

QuarkJets posted:

feelix if I had a dollar for every time that your illiteracy led to you saying something stupid I'd be Oprah rich

Unlike you I actually watched that show as a kid. It was lovely. Popular, but even at 10 years old I could recognize that it was crap. The games were fun (but again: only for little children)

i was just the right age to get really into pokemon as a kid, and just the right age to stop caring about it a couple years later. the 3ds game set in hawaii was very easy and interesting, but i think there were a lot of missed opportunities for making cool pokemon based on the native wildlife. i love the pokemon mystery dungeon games too, explorers of sky is pretty timeless. the games are also good for "beginner readers" in any language, you can learn a lot by practicing on them!

jokes posted:

It’s stupid to be a white guy playing a video game and the default is a white guy and the bulk of the characters are white and most of the romance options are white girls. In a game like Mass Effect there’s no reason Wrex couldn’t jerk my character off in the loading dock. Frankly, the fact that they wouldn’t let him is an injustice

if you slazzed on wrex's hand wouldn't he die of septic shock. or was that someone else.

Fur20 fucked around with this message at 09:16 on Feb 24, 2021

lobsterminator
Oct 16, 2012




signalnoise posted:

Grim Fandango was not a point and click adventure game until it was given the remaster treatment

Grim Fandango was the best tank simulator at the time.

It's a good thing the world and writing was so good, because the controls really tried to take the fun out of the game.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Romance should stay the gently caress out of most media. Romance in most media is bad, like worse than the worst mass market trash romance novels bad. A non-romance writer writing romance is like a physicist giving you nutritional advice, just because they're (hopefully) good at one thing doesn't mean they know anything about an adjacent thing. It's apparently hard enough to write a compelling action narrative, and yet somehow writers think they can also shove in a good romance. But the mass market will eat up any half-assed romance so it keeps happening.

Yes this is the romance equivalent of "you think literally any game story is good lol read a book".

lobsterminator
Oct 16, 2012




Phigs posted:

Romance should stay the gently caress out of most media. Romance in most media is bad, like worse than the worst mass market trash romance novels bad. A non-romance writer writing romance is like a physicist giving you nutritional advice, just because they're (hopefully) good at one thing doesn't mean they know anything about an adjacent thing. It's apparently hard enough to write a compelling action narrative, and yet somehow writers think they can also shove in a good romance. But the mass market will eat up any half-assed romance so it keeps happening.

Yes this is the romance equivalent of "you think literally any game story is good lol read a book".

It was a pleasant surprise that RDR2 didn't have a romance plot. Arthur and Sadie remained just friends. And John and Abigail were already an item which made their relationship seem natural.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

I feel bad for anyone who doesn’t appreciate trashy romance

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Blame romantic comedies, unironically have probably screwed up generations of kids' ideas of relationships and sex worse than porn

lobsterminator
Oct 16, 2012




jokes posted:

I feel bad for anyone who doesn’t appreciate trashy romance

The problem for me is that in games it's more like a seduction mini-game instead of romance. You pick the flirty speech option enough times and the target surrenders.

It would usually be better if the game had a pre-determined romance that could develop in a more natural way as the story progresses.

I'm mostly talking about RPG style games now, which I tend to prefer.

Workaday Wizard
Oct 23, 2009

by Pragmatica
The worst thing about most romance plots is that the love interest lives for the protagonist. No individuality at all. At best they will give them a hobby I guess.

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here
The new mass effect better have threesomes.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

Top Class!

feelix posted:

I mean if you're just a regular bro that's only played CoD and Skyrim in the past 5 years I can see how you'd think that every single player game would be better if it was Skyrim

This is 100% what's happening here to a tee.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Blame romantic comedies, unironically have probably screwed up generations of kids' ideas of relationships and sex worse than porn

Romance in video games is strictly a minigame and the reward is sexual gratification, usually a pre-rendered semi-pornographic image/video. At the very least it’s a poor value proposition. At best it’s an opportunity to engage more deeply with the writing, but that’s rarely worth it.

Good video game romances are the ones that never culminate into anything. Maybe a fade to black. In a strange twist, having a sex scene read to you by an aged Englishman is probably the best sex scene in a video game (Divinity).

lobsterminator
Oct 16, 2012




Workaday Wizard posted:

The worst thing about most romance plots is that the love interest lives for the protagonist. No individuality at all. At best they will give them a hobby I guess.

I think Witcher romances were pretty good in this aspect. Triss and Yennefer were both pretty independent people who had their own stuff to do. They didn't follow you around and fawn over you all the time.

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signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting

Workaday Wizard posted:

The worst thing about most romance plots is that the love interest lives for the protagonist. No individuality at all. At best they will give them a hobby I guess.



lobsterminator posted:

I think Witcher romances were pretty good in this aspect. Triss and Yennefer were both pretty independent people who had their own stuff to do. They didn't follow you around and fawn after you all the time.

When my wife played through Witcher 3 she chose to abandon both Triss and Yennefer on the basis that they were both "snake bitches"

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