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Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

in one of the gta5 intro missions you play as franklin's dog and i thought it was going to be some kind of thing in the game itself but no it was just that one weird little bit

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Quote-Unquote
Oct 22, 2002



Doctor J Off posted:

I appreciate your devotion to the thread premise and disagree.

My apparently unpopular opinion is that the Witcher 3 has great combat. Granted, it was a little too easy and simple on anything but the hardest difficulty

I completed Witcher 3 on the hardest difficulty and it's probably the only game I've ever done that in because the combat was actually fun.

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
i also picked up gta v for free when epic had it up but i just can't be bothered because all i want to do is setup and play the heists but don't want to play the other 40 hours of junk to get through em

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here
I can't stand the horror steampunk aesthetic of bloodborne so don't like the game at all. I never will like the game as a result. I don't like the gameplay of the souls games. I didn't like the demon souls remake. I just don't like soulsborne games and I never will.

I did like Sekiro, though, so it's not fromsoft that I don't like.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

not sure what's "steampunk" about bloodborne its just victorian fantasy horror.

i mean the setting is vaguely inspired by 19th century london but i dont remember any part of the game with gears or steam-powered contraptions or airships or any of that stuff. and the lore has more of a lovecraft vibe than anything else

Earwicker fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Feb 25, 2021

feelix
Nov 27, 2016
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Yeah steampunk ruined a whole lotta things that aren't steampunk at all just by adjacency. Bloodborne rules

BaldDwarfOnPCP
Jun 26, 2019

by Pragmatica

Earwicker posted:

in one of the gta5 intro missions you play as franklin's dog and i thought it was going to be some kind of thing in the game itself but no it was just that one weird little bit

There was a mobile game that incorporated that but it was kind of half-assed and not integrated, iirc.

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

it's kinda frustrating that ds3 doesn't have randomized stuff like the chalice dungeons from bloodborne, that was another cool way to break up the game a bit if you were stuck on a part

feelix
Nov 27, 2016
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Rockman Reserve posted:

it's kinda frustrating that ds3 doesn't have randomized stuff like the chalice dungeons from bloodborne, that was another cool way to break up the game a bit if you were stuck on a part

A theory I've heard that I find plausible is that they were gonna have chalices, but after seeing the negative reaction they took them out and just put one of them in as the Demon Ruins

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

that makes some sense, the demon ruins are very geometric and cookie-cutter in a way the rest of DS3 avoids really well.

was there really a negative reaction? why? they're totally optional, i didn't even realize they existed/what they were until like months into the game haha. why would you ever complain about optional low-stakes content with opportunities for infinite boss fights, the best part of souls games by far? people are weird

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Running them all at once if you need another Blood Rock or wanna see Yahrnham sucks hard, doing them piecemeal is the way to go but most people at launch just blitzed through the game

feelix
Nov 27, 2016
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Rockman Reserve posted:

that makes some sense, the demon ruins are very geometric and cookie-cutter in a way the rest of DS3 avoids really well.

was there really a negative reaction? why? they're totally optional, i didn't even realize they existed/what they were until like months into the game haha. why would you ever complain about optional low-stakes content with opportunities for infinite boss fights, the best part of souls games by far? people are weird
Yeah lots of people seem to dislike them

I liked them, but I think it's a valid complaint that it sucks when, like, you beat a boss (Blood-starved beast) and your reward is chalice materials. I'm much less into the "development time went into this part of the game I don't like" argument but it's also not completely invalid.

Oh also the fact that if you want to min-max your blood gems you have to do the chalices, lots of griping about that as well

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

eh the thing about bloodborne is that (imo more than any other souls game but it might just be because i have the most experience in it) the loot that bosses drop isn't the only thing you get from them even if it's not immediately obvious. like in addition to giving you the chalice or whatever BSB also spawns snatchers in the world which allows you to go to the jail earlier and pick up some rad stuff.

also BSB is kind of rough to solo but its position as an optional boss in the game, not to mention its position in the overall intended level scale, makes it an awesome boss to fight a bunch of times in co-op for echoes and insight. that was really my turning point in enjoying bloodborne: finally engaging with the co-op as a summon instead of a summoner for BSB. suddenly resources like insight were nowhere near as scarce and it really opened up the game for me

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

Every souls boss should be beaten solo. If you cooped it, you didn't actually beat it.

feelix
Nov 27, 2016
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Caesar Saladin posted:

Every souls boss should be beaten solo. If you cooped it, you didn't actually beat it.

this is the "unpopular opinion" thread, not "popular dumbfuck gatekeeping" thread

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Caesar Saladin posted:

Every souls boss should be beaten solo. If you cooped it, you didn't actually beat it.

Yes, except the Squad in the Church in Dark souls 2, you should absolutely max out your summon slots on that one so you can see how fast you can pour through the door and stomp everyone.

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

Caesar Saladin posted:

Every souls boss should be beaten solo. If you cooped it, you didn't actually beat it.

meh. i get it, and i generally try a lot of attempts before giving in and summoning, but there are a couple bosses in DS3 that just don't agree with me at all for some reason and i eventually summoned for. there's also more than a few bosses that i achieved perfect kills on in my current playthrough. DS3 is a land of contrasts.


having that summon option there is awesome for people who just want to get past a hard part, and in ds3 and bb it's implemented pretty well. plus as i mentioned in my previous post, being summoned is really cool and fun - it lets you take on a boss with very little pressure, and you're helping someone out in the process

e: I actually don't think I summoned for anything in BB so far, but Orphan has me pretty close.

Outpost22
Oct 11, 2012

RIP Screamy You were too good for this world.

Quote-Unquote posted:

I completed Witcher 3 on the hardest difficulty and it's probably the only game I've ever done that in because the combat was actually fun.

Same, but for Witcher 1.

Jezza of OZPOS
Mar 21, 2018

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I can absolutely see how combat in witcher 3 could be actually enjoyable on hard difficulty settings because of all the different stuff you can do to get an edge if you're playing the game really thoroughly but also I just set it to easy and just ran wherever I wanted and hacked everything with a red bar to bits and every time I thought I'd take it up a notch I immediately regretted that because of all the aspects of it that I found tedious. It was somehow both way too slow and also way too busy and twitchy for me

feelix
Nov 27, 2016
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Anyone who dictates how other people should enjoy games is a massive loving rear end in a top hat, and the only reason you would ever do this is because your own accomplishment at beating a game is a part of your identity that you value highly which is pathetic and you need help

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

its fine to summon, it just means you didn't actually beat the boss.

clearly i base my entire identity on souls games, you got me

feelix
Nov 27, 2016
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Caesar Saladin posted:

its fine to summon, it just means you didn't actually beat the boss.

clearly i base my entire identity on souls games, you got me

oh you're being serious? loving sad. I fully expected you to say your post was satire. You're an rear end in a top hat. You are voicing your opinion that other people shouldn't feel as good about their way to play the game as you do about yours. That's an opinion you should keep to yourself forever and you're an rear end in a top hat

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

Yeah you totally beat the boss while another dude distracted it and you hit it in the rear end the whole time while the AI was too dumb to deal with the fact there are two of you

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



the combat in witcher 3 is never hard after you master the dodge timing, the difficulty slider just determines how long you have to spend dodging to kill something.

feelix
Nov 27, 2016
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Caesar Saladin posted:

Yeah you totally beat the boss while another dude distracted it and you hit it in the rear end the whole time

I didn't know how summoning worked until Dark Souls 3 and I played the Souls games in order from Demon's. I guess Dark Souls 3 is the hardest so there you go I never beat the bosses blind solo, by that point I felt like I had paid my dues and was free to use this feature I figured out. Now I can beat any boss solo because I read the wiki after I beat the game.

All that aside, you are expressing an opinion about something that doesn't affect you, and expressing that opinion can only accomplish two things:
1) reduce other people's satisfaction with their experience
2) increase your satisfaction because you reduced someone else's satisfaction, because you're a loving rear end in a top hat

you're a loving rear end in a top hat and so is anyone that tells someone they are playing a game wrong.

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

its basically cheating if you think about it, its like using a cheatcode or giving the controller to your older brother

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Malcolm Turnbeug posted:

I can absolutely see how combat in witcher 3 could be actually enjoyable on hard difficulty settings because of all the different stuff you can do to get an edge if you're playing the game really thoroughly but also I just set it to easy and just ran wherever I wanted and hacked everything with a red bar to bits and every time I thought I'd take it up a notch I immediately regretted that because of all the aspects of it that I found tedious. It was somehow both way too slow and also way too busy and twitchy for me
The way Witcher 3 did level scaling and loot killed any desire in me to treat it as a combat heavy game, right out of the starting area I found some Ice Golem 20 levels above me that I managed to slowly whittle down with careful use of signs and bombs, after a twenty minute fight I check the chest he has and it's some lovely sword I can't use and a broken fishinpole or somesuch nonsense. I realized then their was no point in ever trying to beat anything harder than the game preferred for my level.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

I also don't think you beat a Souls boss unless you do it solo. But I also don't look down on people who summon or bother to tell them that I think they didn't really kill the boss. I just personally, internally don't think you beat the boss. I keep it to myself though generally because 1) I don't feel the need to poo poo on what someone else feels is an accomplishment and 2) people get real mad when they are told what other people personally consider legit. You shouldn't give a poo poo what I consider legit. I don't give a poo poo what you consider legit. But alas.

feelix
Nov 27, 2016
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Caesar Saladin posted:

its basically cheating if you think about it, its like using a cheatcode or giving the controller to your older brother

pivoting to puppet master

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

I also don't think there are opinions people should keep to themselves unless they're bad enough you straight up shouldn't have them. I think there's contexts where you should keep them to yourself. Like if someone is happy they finally beat a Souls game and they needed to summon for a couple bosses you shouldn't be like "oh then you really didn't beat it" but in a general discussion like this it's fine.

Flannelette
Jan 17, 2010


feelix posted:

you're a loving rear end in a top hat and so is anyone that tells someone they are playing a game wrong.

But then someone might get to see the ending without putting in as much work as I did, that's socialism!

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

Sounds like a pretty unpopular opinion, perfect for this thread. They don't have to listen to me, why should they care what I have to say?

The bosses are designed to be fought 1 on 1. The AI can barely handle two people fighting at the same time in the slightest, you can quite literally have somebody else beat the entire boss for you while you just stand there and watch.

feelix
Nov 27, 2016
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Flannelette posted:

But then someone might get to see the ending without putting in as much work as I did, that's socialism!

I didn't want to go there but it's exactly this.

BaldDwarfOnPCP
Jun 26, 2019

by Pragmatica

Flannelette posted:

But then someone might get to see the ending without putting in as much work as I did, that's socialism!

Let's Play is even worse you don't even buy the game and support the devs

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch

feelix posted:

Anyone who dictates how other people should enjoy games is a massive loving rear end in a top hat, and the only reason you would ever do this is because your own accomplishment at beating a game is a part of your identity that you value highly which is pathetic and you need help

this is true but also if it were to be accepted as truth the thread would have to be deleted

MrQueasy
Nov 15, 2005

Probiot-ICK
New Unpopular Opinion: RDR2's animal skinning animations are too lovingly detailed and it squicks me out.

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

feelix posted:

I didn't want to go there but it's exactly this.

lmao you really think that because I think summoning in dark souls completely destroys the encounter design, my political views are against socialism?

feelix
Nov 27, 2016
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Caesar Saladin posted:

lmao you really think that because I think summoning in dark souls completely destroys the encounter design, my political views are against socialism?

you keep pretending like this is about this one specific opinion you have about this one specific game, and not my much broader claim that any statement that can be paraphrased as "you played this game wrong" is a statement that shouldn't be made

Panic! At The Tesco
Aug 19, 2005

FART


I summoned for almost every boss in ds1 and completed the game as a result, suck it haters.

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Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

I guess it's more that I don't think *I* have finished a Souls game unless I beat every boss without summons because I was just like "okay" when you said you beat it summoning everything. No part of me was thinking "nah you didn't". But I couldn't do that myself. I'd either fight a boss until I beat it solo or I'd walk away.

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