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Eifert Posting posted:I think it was dumb as hell and served no purpose. Much like us doing poo poo in Syria would have been. I very much believe that intervention in Syria would have gone poorly, particularly with the Bush or Obama administration managing it, but to me there are plausible reasons for someone to feel otherwise that are more believable than ”being paid by the CIA to promote US intervention to super online podcast listeners." lol its not a secret these people take money from national endowment for democracy, or from the atlantic council. you can believe that these state dept and nato fronted outfits are all above board, if you are some kind of loving moron. i also posted the article about bellingcat working with british and western intelligence on anti-russia propaganda. the effectiveness of giving these people money is debatable but do you think the US government doesnt fund insane poo poo with all the money they waste? there’s now a growing universe of bellingcat and bellingcat adjacent people that are getting shady funding, have shady connections, and you’re blind to it ultimately because you have incredibly weak views on the subject of US imperialism. the US is the main source of military killing on the planet, and our intelligence agencies are sociopathic, and cooperating with them on any level is fuckin evil
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Eifert Posting posted:I think it was dumb as hell and served no purpose. Much like us doing poo poo in Syria would have been. I very much believe that intervention in Syria would have gone poorly, particularly with the Bush or Obama administration managing it, but to me there are plausible reasons for someone to feel otherwise that are more believable than ”being paid by the CIA to promote US intervention to super online podcast listeners." also invading libya served the purpose of us imperialism
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bellingcat gets news articles printed but brown moses gets 40 likes on his tweets. thats cia
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lol brown moses. no wonder he hated leftists during the brief period gbs was unmodded
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I just wish we could spread democracy everywhere. I hear some of these other countries have migrant influx facilities that were not specifically designed for children!
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Homeless Friend posted:to be clear tho, gwb did majorly gently caress up the invasion of iraq. tho its more accurate to blame rumsfield. sayin its his greatest crime tho. lol I’m not sure that they really did gently caress it up — at least not from the perspective of the people way up on top. The oil has mostly flowed, the US has justified maintaining its presence, regional adversaries have been greatly destabilized. It’s been an endless money sink, sure, but who’s hands has that money gone into? Lots of dead soldiers but not enough to spark Vietnam levels of domestic unrest.
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youre a rube if you think them criticizing the iraq war or poo poo that happened way in the past before bellingcat existed shows their antiimperialist creds or w/e as they are actively currently supporting right-now-us-imperialism it's just lmao
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obama genocided the people of yemen and obliterated the country of libya, but he opposed the iraq war when he had absolutely no decision making power over it!
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the iraq war was definitely a massive success. just not from the standpoint of people thinking its purpose was the good of iraq.
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HashtagGirlboss posted:I’m not sure that they really did gently caress it up — at least not from the perspective of the people way up on top. The oil has mostly flowed, the US has justified maintaining its presence, regional adversaries have been greatly destabilized. It’s been an endless money sink, sure, but who’s hands has that money gone into? Lots of dead soldiers but not enough to spark Vietnam levels of domestic unrest. yeah sure, hosed it up with regards to lib paradigm of humanitarian intervention. they could have pulled off a more peaceful occupation, if they so wished
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Eifert Posting posted:I taught. lol korea owns
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This absolutely happens. I just do not see his podcast content as imperialist or supporting intervention in any tactical manner. Even his podcast on Assad had a postscript that was ultimately critical of intervention. The point he made was that previous engagements in the Middle East were so poorly managed and clearly profit oriented that no one would trust or support American involvement even if it actually was altruistic. He never stated that it actually would have been altruistic. Quite the opposite, he's been super critical of Obama's foreign policy.
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comedyblissoption posted:of course allende was a tragedy. but morales? well you see *wringing hands* thats how it always goes with these people. condemn something in the past but when the actual thing happens, currently, completely whiff the ball. incredibly cool thing to do while funded by the state dept. its called bravery in journalism
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Eifert Posting posted:This absolutely happens. I just do not see his podcast content as imperialist or supporting intervention in any tactical manner. Even his podcast on Assad had a postscript that was ultimately critical of intervention. The point he made was that previous engagements in the Middle East were so poorly managed and clearly profit oriented that no one would trust or support American involvement even if it actually was altruistic. He never stated that it actually would have been altruistic. Quite the opposite, he's been super critical of Obama's foreign policy. they constantly make the case for intervention, and then caveat we shouldnt do an intervention...unless??
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comedyblissoption posted:obama genocided the people of yemen and obliterated the country of libya, but he opposed the iraq war when he had absolutely no decision making power over it! poo poo Biden didn’t even have to disavow it, he just made some weak statement that he voted for it because he secretly opposed it and nobody really cared enough to hold that against him
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Eifert Posting posted:This absolutely happens. I just do not see his podcast content as imperialist or supporting intervention in any tactical manner. Even his podcast on Assad had a postscript that was ultimately critical of intervention. The point he made was that previous engagements in the Middle East were so poorly managed and clearly profit oriented that no one would trust or support American involvement even if it actually was altruistic. He never stated that it actually would have been altruistic. Quite the opposite, he's been super critical of Obama's foreign policy. get better parasocial relationships
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hypothetically a good country that wanted a better world might be able to pull off a humanitarian intervention. liberals believe the united states is this sort of country but we just kinda flub it in an oopsie doodle sort of way
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HashtagGirlboss posted:I’m not sure that they really did gently caress it up — at least not from the perspective of the people way up on top. The oil has mostly flowed, the US has justified maintaining its presence, regional adversaries have been greatly destabilized. It’s been an endless money sink, sure, but who’s hands has that money gone into? Lots of dead soldiers but not enough to spark Vietnam levels of domestic unrest. They made billions looting Iraq and american tax payers it was a total success. Everyone associated with planning the invasion got away with it too
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weird that you believe any of that equivocation when evans actually did support a US no fly zone in Syria and thinks invading libya was the only good thing hillary clinton did lmfao. open air slave markets. but you cant imagine how this guy could have views that could ever benefit US imperialism when he is loving PAID BY US IMPERIALISM. and exactly to do poo poo like muddy the water around stuff like the US backed bolivia coup
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Dolphin posted:hypothetically a good country that wanted a better world might be able to pull off a humanitarian intervention. liberals believe the united states is this sort of country but we just kinda flub it in an oopsie doodle sort of way Yeah it’s impossible to look at the track record and expect anything different. Anyone arguing for US intervention is selling a fantasy, naive or cynical does it really matter?
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I mean, I don't know poo poo about Yemen. I don't think the average american knows poo poo about foreign policy / the rest of the world at all. I assume whoever is opposing Saudi Arabia is always the good guys in any situation, but I don't know anything about the Houthi movement.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Don't forget about this person who did a lot of reporting on the alt right. Broadly speaking you should be very skeptical of "people who focus most of their attention on 'fighting the far-right/nazis' (or, even worse, focus their attention on foreign 'bad countries')" because it means they're either very dumb or deliberately don't want to actually focus on the people and institutions that hold real power. It's a kind of clever trick, because you can distract people who otherwise mean well with this sort of thing, and anything said against it can be seen as "carrying water for the far right" or whatever. edit: For example, if someone doesn't look at the list of episodes from that Behind the Bastards podcast and immediately realize "this deliberately avoids topics that conflict with US foreign policy goals and should be viewed with suspicion" something is deeply wrong. "Limiting focus to only the most convenient topics that don't conflict with government policy/ideology" is one of the oldest tricks in the book for liberals, but a lot of people still naively trust anyone who talks about "fighting foreign dictators" or whatever. Ytlaya has issued a correction as of 05:59 on Feb 25, 2021 |
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Eifert Posting posted:This absolutely happens. I just do not see his podcast content as imperialist or supporting intervention in any tactical manner. Even his podcast on Assad had a postscript that was ultimately critical of intervention. The point he made was that previous engagements in the Middle East were so poorly managed and clearly profit oriented that no one would trust or support American involvement even if it actually was altruistic. He never stated that it actually would have been altruistic. Quite the opposite, he's been super critical of Obama's foreign policy.  https://twitter.com/IwriteOK/status/1111823288332771329 lmao
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I'll look into it. I don't use Twitter at all so the Social media stuff is new to me.
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THS posted:bellingcat is sponsored by atlantic council and usaid, which are just fronts for cia, state dept, gulf oil money, nato, etc. evans himself heavily pushed invading syria and was pro bolivian coup against evo morales. these are sick people and the best example of liberal interventionists. the word “op” gets thrown around a lot but everything associated with bellingcat is absolutely an op sounds like he should get a job at CNN or something
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i expect an apology Eifert Posting
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Torpor posted:sounds like he should get a job at CNN or something he should do what i do and work for the russians instead. they dont pay as well but they also dont follow up on how shoddy my work is
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comedyblissoption posted:i expect an apology Eifert Posting I'm sorry that you have not yet become accustomed to disappointment.
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Gulping Again posted:permaban Brown Moses
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this bob evans stuff we have to discuss every single month, like he’s no different from every other reporter in the US inventory, I don’t understand the excitement he generates.
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i always post this poo poo in the hopes they come by to defend their honor. they have a few times and it’s funny as heck to see people who have posted themselves into their bizarre high profile social media / propaganda jobs feel the need to defend themselves on a forum where half the people have names like cumshitter
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Eifert Posting posted:The country I spent the most time in outside of America is South Korea and they would probably have a different take than you. quote:In the Philippines, drought again brought famine to Negros’s infamous sugar plantations in 1896–97, then returned to devastate agriculture on Luzon, Panay and other big islands from 1899 to 1903. Climate stress was alloyed with warfare, poverty and ecological crisis. Thus the first phase of drought-famine coincided with a national uprising against the Spanish, while the second overlapped patriotic resistance to US recolonization. The independence movement itself, moreover, was spurred by the growing crisis of food security since mid-century, when Spain (prodded by Britain) had launched an ambitious campaign to develop exports and commercialize agriculture. Traditional forms of communal land ownership and subsistence-oriented production had been violently dismantled in favor of rice and sugar monocultures operated by pauperized smallholders and debt-shackled sharecroppers. (Spanish and mestizo hacenderos, like ubiquitous Chinese grain merchants and moneylenders, were merely links in a long chain of exploitation ultimately controlled by distant British and American trading companies.) Moreover, as the export boom generated a demand for new plantation land, Luzon’s interior foothills were rapidly deforested, leading by the 1890s to the silting of river beds, more intense flooding, and gradual aridification of the lowlands. You people massacred my forebears, occupied my country for half a century, and even today keeps us as a neocolonial outpost as it stokes a new Cold War with the Global South Go gently caress yourself
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