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Eifert Posting posted:I'm sorry that you have not yet become accustomed to disappointment.
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Torpor posted:this bob evans stuff we have to discuss every single month, like he’s no different from every other reporter in the US inventory, I don’t understand the excitement he generates. because he’s a goon and him and brown moses both namesearch and get mad about this stuff lol
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Feb 25, 2021 05:59
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Robert evans should stick to reviewing movies and making GBS threads on star wars
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Feb 25, 2021 06:00
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zzzzone, give me your thoughts on Bosnia
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THS posted:because he’s a goon and him and brown moses both namesearch and get mad about this stuff lol The idea of cia backed journalists reading the succ zone is extremely funny and I hope it happens
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Torpor posted:this bob evans stuff we have to discuss every single month, like he’s no different from every other reporter in the US inventory, I don’t understand the excitement he generates. he gets cited positively by leftists as a good guy you should listen to, as opposed to like Jake Tapper or whoever
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the main reason I think Evans is just conveniently aligned through affiliation with Bellingcat and just has a dumb anti-authoritarian to the point of being pro-intervention take is that I can't fathom how an actual op could get away with stanning Öcalan but maybe the CIA is more crafty than I give them credit for
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:zzzzone, give me your thoughts on Bosnia they wish they had Tupac alive within their borders
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Feb 25, 2021 06:12
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gradenko_2000 posted:You people massacred my forebears, occupied my country for half a century, and even today keeps us as a neocolonial outpost as it stokes a new Cold War with the Global South There's a reason I said South Korea and not the Phillipines, Vietnam, Puerto Rico, Columbia, Guatamala, Guam, Mexico, the United Goddamn states, or any of the other four or five dozen countries where US Intervention was lovely and predatory. It's possible to engage in a foreign war and effect a positive outcome, it's just really rare because lol America. Like, we irrevocably hosed ourselves up in our own internal war and reconstruction, the smart money is on rampant incompetence, atrocity and profiteering.
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Feb 25, 2021 06:12
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liberal interventionism can suck my loving dick. there is never any situation where military intervention will improve things genocides can't be stopped by bombing the people doing them, they can only be stopped from within
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Feb 25, 2021 06:13
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Shipon posted:liberal interventionism can suck my loving dick. there is never any situation where military intervention will improve things the red army would like a word
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Feb 25, 2021 06:14
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Shipon posted:liberal interventionism can suck my loving dick. there is never any situation where military intervention will improve things they have been stopped, multiple times it's just that the number of genocides that continue unabated combined with the death toll from US intervention over our history absolutely dwarf the savings
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Feb 25, 2021 06:16
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:they have been stopped, multiple times This is basically my take. It's possible for an individual action to have a positive result and to argue otherwise is to be intentionally ignorant of history. It's far more likely that whatever you do is just going to cause more problems and elevate another social group to commit a different atrocity in 10 years. you should also be inherently distrustful of any action supported by American politicians because they're just loving garbage people. Still, if you have an attachment to a region or people it's easy to want to roll them dice.
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Feb 25, 2021 06:21
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Torpor posted:this bob evans stuff we have to discuss every single month, like he’s no different from every other reporter in the US inventory, I don’t understand the excitement he generates. cia cutout or not, the man knows his sausage
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Feb 25, 2021 06:22
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Eifert Posting posted:Still, if you have an attachment to a region or people it's easy to want to roll them dice. I have an extreme attachment to a group of 10,000 people and they all look exactly like Ulysses S. Grant and they live in a suitcase
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Feb 25, 2021 06:23
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robert evans also produced multiple roman polanski films. cancel this man
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Feb 25, 2021 06:29
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Eifert Posting posted:There's a reason I said South Korea and not the Phillipines, Vietnam, Puerto Rico, Columbia, Guatamala, Guam, Mexico, the United Goddamn states, or any of the other four or five dozen countries where US Intervention was lovely and predatory. It's possible to engage in a foreign war and effect a positive outcome, it's just really rare because lol America. idk, showing up in the succ thread to say that there's a non-zero number of people in affected countries who desire US intervention is really bizarre esp when you admit to framing your position around your experience in a single country and admit to having to no knowledge of bolivia [and by extension US dealings in latin america]
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loquacius posted:took a scroll through the replies and 95 percent of the time I read twitter responses from liberals my fingers just wanna twitch out WHAT THE gently caress IS WRONG WITH YOU?
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of course there are people in countries that want us intervention in their country. they're called the wealthy
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Eifert Posting posted:This absolutely happens. I just do not see his podcast content as imperialist or supporting intervention in any tactical manner. Even his podcast on Assad had a postscript that was ultimately critical of intervention. The point he made was that previous engagements in the Middle East were so poorly managed and clearly profit oriented that no one would trust or support American involvement even if it actually was altruistic. He never stated that it actually would have been altruistic. Quite the opposite, he's been super critical of Obama's foreign policy.  edit: slightly funnier image comedyblissoption has issued a correction as of 06:44 on Feb 25, 2021 |
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Didn't Clinton stop at least one genocide in Serbia by bombing the poo poo out of them?
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gandlethorpe posted:Might have to do with this. Though this guy could've just been adding fuel to the fire. lmao that they're going after an asian woman while whining that neera's being shat on bc she's an asian woman.
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PostNouveau posted:Didn't Clinton stop at least one genocide in Serbia by bombing the poo poo out of them?
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PostNouveau posted:Didn't Clinton stop at least one genocide in Serbia by bombing the poo poo out of them? The US precipitated that genocide by funding the regime change operation that broke up Yugoslavia in the first place
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gradenko_2000 posted:The US precipitated that genocide by funding the regime change operation that broke up Yugoslavia in the first place Figures
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gradenko_2000 posted:The US precipitated that genocide by funding the regime change operation that broke up Yugoslavia in the first place So what you're saying here is that America is basically full lifecycle genocide neutral
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Tom Guycot posted:Yeah, Dems, Dems are the greatest. As an NGO intern, I was always told that if I ain't gonna be part of the Dems, I gotta be the Dems myself. "attend your local dem clubs!" *goes to local dem club populated by 80 yr olds taking hours to get thru minutiae* "if you don't like the candidate they're running then find someone better or run yourself" *faces self-funded ghoul backed by party while blacklisted for not using its ghoul consultants*
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Tricky D posted:idk, showing up in the succ thread to say that there's a non-zero number of people in affected countries who desire US intervention is really bizarre A) there definitely are a nonzero number of people in every affected country who desire US intervention. Depending on the region those folks are probably really lovely. Hell, my first night in Russia some old Russian man cosplaying a Tsarist Noble walked up to us uninvited at a bar and gave us a diatribe in English about how the white Russians are the real heroes of Russian history. There's a large population of QAnon on supporters in Japan. People want dumb things for strange reasons. B) I said I don't know about Bolivia specifically not about Latin America in general. I've taken college courses on Panama and the Caribbean and I know quite a bit about American involvement in Guatamala and Columbia. poo poo's hosed up. I have exactly zero reasons to believe that America isn't still loving around in South America.
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Eifert Posting posted:A) there definitely are a nonzero number of people in every affected country who desire US intervention. Depending on the region those folks are probably really lovely. Hell, my first night in Russia some old Russian man cosplaying a Tsarist Noble walked up to us uninvited at a bar and gave us a diatribe in English about how the white Russians are the real heroes of Russian history. There's a large population of QAnon on supporters in Japan. People want dumb things for strange reasons.
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Eifert Posting posted:A) there definitely are a nonzero number of people in every affected country who desire US intervention. Depending on the region those folks are probably really lovely. Hell, my first night in Russia some old Russian man cosplaying a Tsarist Noble walked up to us uninvited at a bar and gave us a diatribe in English about how the white Russians are the real heroes of Russian history. There's a large population of QAnon on supporters in Japan. People want dumb things for strange reasons. A) you have no real position on anything, cool i guess B) lol, you've taken college courses on latin america in general, the same way Tony Soprano took Psych 101
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"There are people in a country who want US intervention" doesn't fly as an excuse because not only is it not a democratically representative of the population, the US is naturally going to amplify those voices out of proportion to their size to justify the thing that they wanted to do anyway. When they aren't actively bribing people to say what they want to begin with.
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robert evans tweeted out he wants biden to bomb syria lmao
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Eifert Posting posted:The country I spent the most time in outside of America is South Korea and they would probably have a different take than you.  honestly you're in the wrong forum. but if you're curious about this in particular please read the chapter on Korea in Killing Hope https://books.google.com/books?id=-IbQvd13uToC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false (p. 45)
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you can read all of killing hope for free from the captured contents of osama bin laden's hard drive on the cia website
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Tricky D posted:
I took a course on Panama from roughly 1750 to 1950, a course on precolonial Taino, a broad historiography course where I focused on the Haitian Revolution and a couple courses on Colonial Brazil which I consider outside the scope of our conversation. My other courses were largely Eastern European and Russian. My history advisor was a super influential Brazilian historian so I took a bunch of courses in the region.
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Eifert Posting posted:There's a reason I said South Korea and not the Phillipines, Vietnam, Puerto Rico, Columbia, Guatamala, Guam, Mexico, the United Goddamn states, or any of the other four or five dozen countries where US Intervention was lovely and predatory. It's possible to engage in a foreign war and effect a positive outcome, it's just really rare because lol America. Oh yeah I'm sure South Korea is the one intervention we didnt do horrific war crimes in and the people we were helping genuinely loved us for it. You loving moron. You couldnt even loving google the name of the ghoul you're defending to see the obvious ghoul behavior why do you think you're making the right call about anything let alone which genocide we did was good?
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Did your studies cover the Gar Gol?
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Eifert Posting posted:I took a course on Panama from roughly 1750 to 1950, a course on precolonial Taino, a broad historiography course where I focused on the Haitian Revolution and a couple courses on Colonial Brazil which I consider outside the scope of our conversation. My other courses were largely Eastern European and Russian. My history advisor was a super influential Brazilian historian so I took a bunch of courses in the region. oye paisonos, el norteno ha llegar para ayudar. el fue a la clase
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comedyblissoption posted:you can read all of killing hope for free from the captured contents of osama bin laden's hard drive on the cia website drat did they publish the hentai too
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Eifert Posting posted:I took a course on Panama from roughly 1750 to 1950, a course on precolonial Taino, a broad historiography course where I focused on the Haitian Revolution and a couple courses on Colonial Brazil which I consider outside the scope of our conversation. My other courses were largely Eastern European and Russian. My history advisor was a super influential Brazilian historian so I took a bunch of courses in the region. if you dont have an opinion on this, do you think this could be because you listen to noted imperialist bobbie evans who thinks that obama invading libya was good and that obama should have invaded syria?
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