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Babylon Astronaut
Apr 19, 2012
The oaths, prophecies, and dooms of the setting are so essential to every story in middle earth, and with cards that are supposed to represent spells, shown to be almost any concept or execution imaginable, it will be shame to get gear porn and these were things that happened, the spell.

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Bugsy
Jul 15, 2004

I'm thumpin'. That's
why they call me
'Thumper'.


Slippery Tilde
loving gamemaster anthony's party over here.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!

junan_paalla posted:

tap out for eight turns in a row to put "aaaaaaaa" counters on my goku before unleashing my ultimate attack

ask the table to tap their mana for my spirit bomb so we can kill the one guy about to win next turn

fusion my goku and vegeta partner commanders

this has potential

The original DBZ/GT card game was already baller as gently caress. No need to import it to MtG

Fuzzy Mammal
Aug 15, 2001

Lipstick Apathy
Y'all are joking around but I just took a survey this week asking what I thought about a Minsc & Boo card, so...

hey mom its 420
May 12, 2007

Fuzzy Mammal posted:

Y'all are joking around but I just took a survey this week asking what I thought about a Minsc & Boo card, so...

possible core set spoiler???

Mat Cauthon
Jan 2, 2006

The more tragic things get,
the more I feel like laughing.




This feels like a bigger deal than the crossover stuff. The chances of it resulting in a better market for players any time soon is basically nil though.

Crossover sets feel like a point of no return thing for how they're engaging the customer base more than some sort of death knell for the game but can't say I'm psyched about it. Even if the story in MTG is often half-baked, where is exists at all, it still has a distinctive feel that I don't think just gels onto any old IP. Also there's no way these sets don't get pushed to hell because there is now an even stronger incentive to have them sell well, capitalize on different audience segments, prove the efficacy of MTG as a promotional vehicle, etc.

God knows there are enough legacy fantasy or loosely sci-fi IPs for them to run through and gauge reactions but the real tell will be how long it takes for the next "Hunger Games" type phenomenon to get a set. IDK, feels kinda bad but the game has weathered a lot of stuff so maybe this will just be another blip.

StrugglingHoneybun posted:

MtG is now Super Smash Bros.

Battle any IP against any other IP, with quarterly balance updates

If they gave up making GBS threads out half assed Diablo clones and generic rpgs in favor of making a SSB style fighting game but just with all your favorite legends, planeswalkers, etc it would be a vastly better use of resources and something I'd actually buy and play.

Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Feb 25, 2021

flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes

flatluigi posted:

either way i feel like i'd give it a week before they say something more about what they're doing with the IPs

https://www.polygon.com/2021/2/25/22301336/magic-the-gathering-warhammer-40000-crossover-commander-deck

the wh40k thing (and implied the lotr thing) is a commander product

quote:

During an investor call on Thursday, Wizards of the Coast parent company Hasbro announced a new initiative for Magic: The Gathering. Called Universes Beyond, this new line of products will include other licensed properties, including Warhammer 40,000 and J.R.R. Tolkien’s Middle-earth. In a blog post published later on Thursday, Wizards provided more detail on what that new product line will look like.

“Universes Beyond came about thanks to a simple thought,” Wizards said in the blog post, “if we can expand our story beyond the game system to things like comics, novels, and other games, then surely we can expand the game system to let players explore worlds outside of the worlds of Magic.”

Universes Beyond items will be branded with the same holofoil stamp that appeared on The Walking Dead crossover that appeared in a Secret Lair print-on-demand offering in 2020, according to Wizards. But this new product line will not merely be a set of alternate-art cards available online.

“Universes Beyond products will generally be sold in all Magic channels — these will not be strictly Secret Lair products,” Wizards said, referring to online direct sales, online retail, and brick-and-mortar retail stores. “The Warhammer 40,000 Commander decks, for example, will be available everywhere we currently sell Commander decks, as will The Lord of the Rings product. We may occasionally do associated Secret Lair products related to the main release, like the Secret Lair Godzilla lands when Ikoria: Lair of Behemoths came out. There will also be the occasional standalone product like The Walking Dead, but the intention is to typically make Universes Beyond as available as any other Magic product.”

Wizards also specified that the upcoming Dungeons & Dragons-themed Adventures in the Forgotten Realms set is not part of the Universes Beyond initiative. That appears to have been misstated during the investor call earlier. But the company came down firmly by saying that Universes Beyond will not merely be reskins of existing cards. Some products in the line will contain entirely new cards with new rules and mechanics. The legality of Universes Beyond cards legality Magic’s many formats remains an open question, and will likely change from set to set.

edit: official blog post https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/magics-voyages-universes-beyond-2021-02-25

flatluigi fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Feb 25, 2021

Pyrolocutus
Feb 5, 2005
Shape of Flame




It sounds like decks plural, which probably means like a 5 deck series?

flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes
the official blog post outright says "Universes Beyond cards will not be Standard legal", which is good

Pyrolocutus posted:

It sounds like decks plural, which probably means like a 5 deck series?

yeah, sorry, i meant 'a commander product'

Lord_Magmar
Feb 24, 2015

"Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"


I'm guessing either 4 chaos god decks, or Imperium/Eldar/Ork/(something probably chaos, could be tyranids or tau or necrons).

Pyrolocutus
Feb 5, 2005
Shape of Flame



flatluigi posted:

the official blog post outright says "Universes Beyond cards will not be Standard legal", which is good

Looking forward to Vintage environments with Space Marine Librarians and Terminators.

flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes

Pyrolocutus posted:

Looking forward to Vintage environments with Space Marine Librarians and Terminators.

don't be silly, nobody looks forward to vintage

Fuzzy Mammal
Aug 15, 2001

Lipstick Apathy
The biggest vintage tournament ever. We call it, the Gamemaster Anthony Invitational.

Paul Zuvella
Dec 7, 2011

the 7 people who care about legacy in this thread will continue to be irate while the rest of us stop caring, good riddance.

Time
Aug 1, 2011

It Was All A Dream
I really enjoy vintage and legacy

Paul Zuvella
Dec 7, 2011

Time posted:

I really enjoy vintage and legacy

Temur Delver, now featuring space marines!

Cactrot
Jan 11, 2001

Go Go Cactus Galactus





Paul Zuvella posted:

Temur Delver, now featuring space marines!

It's me, I am the hooting mandrill that is upset by this.

Time
Aug 1, 2011

It Was All A Dream

Paul Zuvella posted:

Temur Delver, now featuring space marines!

Please, it’s RUG when you have old lands in it

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

What did you say the strategy was?
Legacy owns and I am upset about it.

Let it be commander only since that's The Most Popular FormatTM

CitizenKeen
Nov 13, 2003

easygoing pedant
Spoiler list of upcoming Magic sets:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_licensed_and_localized_editions_of_Monopoly:_USA

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012
Ah well now that they clarified its not a core set replacement i care way less about it, go wild in that case

fadam
Apr 23, 2008

The only way to make Legacy playable for the average person is to replace all the reserve list poo poo with function replacements/upgrades that are Space Marine themed and come in a $30 Commander deck. Anyone who is upset about this hates poor people and I will not be taking questions or comments at this time.

Reik
Mar 8, 2004

Rahu posted:

Very excited to get a legendary Goku to build a commander deck around in the next few years.

I wanted them to bring back the level up mechanic, but not like this.

Time
Aug 1, 2011

It Was All A Dream
I would like for wizards to use the billion dollars they made to port all legacy relevant cards to arena. Tyia

disaster pastor
May 1, 2007


They made a happy accident.

quote:

We recently became aware that some customers who ordered non-foil drops of Happy Little Gathering will instead receive foil edition drops, and some customers who ordered foil edition drops of Happy Little Gathering will instead receive non-foil drops.

If you ordered a foil edition, but received a non-foil drop, you will receive a foil edition and can keep the non-foil edition at no additional charge.

If you ordered a non-foil edition, but received a foil drop, you will receive a non-foil edition and can keep the foil edition at no additional charge.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013


Seeing that the most volume of the commander precons is already existing cards those would also probably be mostly "reskins" of existing spells like Cyclonic Rift = Rubric of Ahriman for example etc with around 15%-20% being brand new cards that are going to gently caress up Legacy and annoy EDH communities for the next few years lmao

Fantastic Foreskin
Jan 6, 2013

A golden helix streaked skyward from the Helvault. A thunderous explosion shattered the silver monolith and Avacyn emerged, free from her prison at last.

Nothing left to be said but lol.

I like how the pallet of Thraben Inspector fits with the old frame, lot of new are doesn't. Doubly so for artifacts

WotC Hasbro Teen+ Gaming, on commander: :regd08:

Lone Goat
Apr 16, 2003

When life gives you lemons, suplex those lemons.




The sooner wotc kills Commander, the sooner that random secondary market cards don't just balloon up like crazy, it just makes sense

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

fatherboxx posted:

Seeing that the most volume of the commander precons is already existing cards those would also probably be mostly "reskins" of existing spells like Cyclonic Rift = Rubric of Ahriman for example etc with around 15%-20% being brand new cards that are going to gently caress up Legacy and annoy EDH communities for the next few years lmao

I'm suddenly terrified of them making these functional reprints instead of godzilla-esque reskins.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
Time for legacy to shift from eternal to non-rotating.
And ban the gently caress out of brainstorm.

Major Operation
Jan 1, 2006


The change to make Wizards a division of Hasbro instead of a subsidiary and "moving beyond" game stores could be a big change to the relationships with hobby distributors. The sales relationship for paper cards is primarily WotC to distributors (or really big game stores) from the beginning up to now. That relationship could be changing to be primarily Hasbro Inc. to a different set of distributors and/or consumers.

My speculative argument here is that neither side of the old sales relationship was very interested in dealing with modifying the reserve list situation. Presumably big game stores and distributors were/are actively against any modification. Tough to say how much actual appetite there will be to do something different with the new relationships.

That could be your monkey's paw moment though: you get a functional reprint of some of those cards but they're only released through brand crossovers now that its all interior to Hasbro.

The Lord of Hats
Aug 22, 2010

Hello, yes! Is being very good day for posting, no?

araeris posted:

My speculative argument here is that neither side of the old sales relationship was very interested in dealing with modifying the reserve list situation. Presumably big game stores and distributors were/are actively against any modification. Tough to say how much actual appetite there will be to do something different with the new relationships.

That could be your monkey's paw moment though: you get a functional reprint of some of those cards but they're only released through brand crossovers now that its all interior to Hasbro.

Nah, the big retailers like SCG have all said that they’d much rather have the reserve list gone, or at least cut down. More money to be made on formats that aren’t dying to price hikes.

Fuzzy Mammal
Aug 15, 2001

Lipstick Apathy
I tap Valinor to activate Feanor's second ability producing a silmaril token. All noldor gain +1/+1 and t:tap target balrog. :hmmyes:

Time
Aug 1, 2011

It Was All A Dream

HootTheOwl posted:

Time for legacy to shift from eternal to non-rotating.
And ban the gently caress out of brainstorm.

Seems dumb

Major Operation
Jan 1, 2006

The Lord of Hats posted:

Nah, the big retailers like SCG have all said that they’d much rather have the reserve list gone, or at least cut down. More money to be made on formats that aren’t dying to price hikes.

You could be right. Someone like Star City could prefer the end of the reserve list to boost sales for Vintage and Legacy by lowering those entry costs. I have no idea what internal projections they might have.

Hypothetical question: if Star City wanted the reserve list to continue, for whatever reason, would they ever say so publicly? Is there any reason why they wouldn't lie about it when asked?

Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005



That second tweet should utterly terrify anyone smaller than SCG/CFB/CK

FLGS are already hanging on by a loving thread in the best of times, the pandemic didn't help matters, and if this is a sign Hasbro wants to go full "put our poo poo on every shelf next to the Funkos at Big Boxes only" and some Hasbro exec going "why do we even have Holiday thank-you cards, FNM Promos, organized play or judge programs? Why would we need to support the stores that barely sell any of our actual product compared to Target? Of what use is a central place for people to learn about our game, meet other players or be a non-player who gets evangelized to?" and that's it, no more FNMs, no more MPL, no more "this is an eSport that should be taken seriously," just LotR secret lairs and big-box product, forever.

Fantastic Foreskin
Jan 6, 2013

A golden helix streaked skyward from the Helvault. A thunderous explosion shattered the silver monolith and Avacyn emerged, free from her prison at last.

araeris posted:

You could be right. Someone like Star City could prefer the end of the reserve list to boost sales for Vintage and Legacy by lowering those entry costs. I have no idea what internal projections they might have.

Hypothetical question: if Star City wanted the reserve list to continue, for whatever reason, would they ever say so publicly? Is there any reason why they wouldn't lie about it when asked?

SCG, and anyone really, would rather sell power every day at the already good margins on singles, rather than drop x thousand dollars on a card and hold it until some rich dude comes along and they get lucky enough to sell it again. They really don't have any reason to want the reserve list to continue. The only ones would might are sitting on a substantial inventory of expensive rl cards, and any shop dumb enough to tie up all the capital probably already went out of business.

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

What did you say the strategy was?
There isn't a hasbro based judge program is there? judge academy is it's own separate entity and furthermore...

End of FNMs and prize support would be really lovely and would slowly kill the game off. With no places to play I can't see even things like commander getting a good following.

Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005


ilmucche posted:

There isn't a hasbro based judge program is there? judge academy is it's own separate entity and furthermore...

End of FNMs and prize support would be really lovely and would slowly kill the game off. With no places to play I can't see even things like commander getting a good following.
Judges were, uhhh, licensed? by the DCI, which was run by WotC, which is owned by Hasbro.

I haven't engaged with the judge system in several years (2013 was the last time I re-upped my creds) and from my former T2 and T3 friends I've heard a lot has broken down/been decentralized.

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an_mutt
Sep 29, 2010

I was,
I am,
and I remain a soldier!

Sworn to dedicate my heart and soul to the restoration of human kind!

Love to tune in to today's announcements to see that Magic: the Gathering will move further away from being neither 'Magic' nor a 'Gathering'. Very cool.

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