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Kaveman posted:That episode really dragged It turns out Kathryn Hahn can only do so much, which is something I didn't realise until now.
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Feb 26, 2021 15:33
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Funny bit where the one Nazi shows concern for the victim of their illegal and inhumane experiments, though.
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So they did the big "Agnes Behind It All" reveal last week, but this week explained that it's not actually true, Agnes isn't behind it all and Wanda and the Vision lived in the sitcom world for some unknown amount of time not shown on screen before Agnes showed up? That's not great storytelling but at least Agnes isn't actually behind it all. And my prediction for how they were gonna have Wanda be the one doing it but still have not be a straight up villain was pretty close, so that's neat.
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Gripweed posted:So they did the big "Agnes Behind It All" reveal last week, but this week explained that it's not actually true, Agnes isn't behind it all and Wanda and the Vision lived in the sitcom world for some unknown amount of time not shown on screen before Agnes showed up? That's not great storytelling but at least Agnes isn't actually behind it all. uhh might wanna go back and watch that song again, it's just about why things are starting to get wonky not why westview is like it is lol anyways i liked it. never felt like it was dragging to me. i like seeing wanda's backstory get fleshed out more. interesting that it seems to have soft retconned vision and wanda being married pre infinity war. in their IW intro scene i had the impression that they were still kinda early days into a relationship. also i am kinda surprised that it really does seem to be just agatha and there's no mephisto or dormammu action in the background. is the Scarlet Witch being a title new? i don't recall that part from the comics, or its apparent connection to the mind stone (or maybe the previous SW reached out to wanda through the stone??). that mid credits teaser :eyes: e: also i really liked that avengers compound flashback. "what is grief, if not love persevering?" vision is too pure site fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Feb 26, 2021 |
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Feb 26, 2021 16:08
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Kaveman posted:That episode really dragged YMMV, but I didn't think so, I thought it actually justified the flashbacks, unlike the majority of episode 4 still not entirely sold that this can be satisfactorily wrapped up in one more episode, even if it runs a full hour though also, I'm still not entirely clear on what the purpose of all of Agatha's manipulations revealed in the Agatha All Along sequence was, the Pietro part was explained, but not sure about the rest? I guess she was just testing the limits of Wanda's powers Barry Convex fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Feb 26, 2021 |
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Feb 26, 2021 16:28
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site posted:uhh might wanna go back and watch that song again, it's just about why things are starting to get wonky not why westview is like it is lol I'm not so sure it's solely Wanda, look at everything Hayward did to push her into her "attack." The whole, "ressurect her soul mate" thing put some ideas into her head
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Feb 26, 2021 16:31
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site posted:is the Scarlet Witch being a title new? i don't recall that part from the comics James Robinson's Scarlet Witch series from a few years ago retconned that it was a title and that Wanda and Pietro's real mother, Natalya Maximoff, was the Scarlet Witch before Wanda. Not sure if WandaVision is taking much of anything from that run, they seem to be going with the parents just being random Sokovians with no magical or mutant connections, but there's some precedent for it, at least
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Feb 26, 2021 16:42
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Soonmot posted:I'm not so sure it's solely Wanda, look at everything Hayward did to push her into her "attack." The whole, "ressurect her soul mate" thing put some ideas into her head You mean... Agatha? I guess Hayward saying that given he had no reason to believe she could do it is kinda fishy but it just seems like if they were gonna do a reveal for one of those big bads it would be here and not in the finale? maybe I'm wrong and we'll get a post credits where Hayward is actually a puppet for someone else E: many typos site fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Feb 26, 2021 |
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Feb 26, 2021 16:51
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site posted:You mean... Agatha? I guess Hayward saying that given her had no reason to believe she could do it is kinda didn't but it just seems like it they were gonna do a reveal for one of those big bass it would be here and not in the finale? maybe I'm wrong and we'll get a post credits where Hayward is actually a puppet for someone else no Hayward says that when when she's in his office looking at the Vision dissection. It stood out to me because why would he even think that?
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Feb 26, 2021 16:59
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At what point did Wanda take the body? The flashback shows her leaving the lab without doing so, driving to Westview, and then manifesting Vision along with everything else
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Feb 26, 2021 17:03
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Lamont posted:At what point did Wanda take the body? The flashback shows her leaving the lab without doing so, driving to Westview, and then manifesting Vision along with everything else She didn't, is the thing. Heyward lied.
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Feb 26, 2021 17:04
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Lamont posted:At what point did Wanda take the body? The flashback shows her leaving the lab without doing so, driving to Westview, and then manifesting Vision along with everything else She didn't? They put him back together as white vision after she left Soonmot posted:It stood out to me because why would he even think that? Yeah that's why I'm still leaving it open because there's no reason for him to believe she could do that site fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Feb 26, 2021 |
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Feb 26, 2021 17:05
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I'm into it. It's an interesting wrinkle to show Wanda had powers before the experimentation. She just didn't realize it yet or to what extent. The Infinity Stone appears to have more given her a boost. I dunno about dragging. For me this was a good introspection on grief and loneliness. I liked that about it. I liked Agatha giving smart sounding bad advice. The only way forward is not back. It worked though. Turns out it wasn't Wanda wreaking havoc on a random town in New Jersey. It was a planned town. Not what I would've done, but still a fun ride. Kathryn Hahn and Elizabeth Olsen are really working this butts off in this show. It's good.
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Feb 26, 2021 17:16
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Lamont posted:As with last week, there's also a post-credits scene white Vision, too bad it's too late for the Captain America & The Avengers arcade game lineup since Steve and Tony are out of action Well in a few weeks we're going to watch a show about how AMERICA STILL NEEDS YOUR HELP! *bum bum bum BAM BAM BAM BAMMMMMMMM...! doot doodle-dooooo doot-doot-doot doodle-doo!*
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On an slight detour, I also watched Superman & Lois last night and found it bizarrely good. It's still got some serious cases of TV Writing, especially during the scenes where members of the family are arguing or whatever, and I'm a wee bit worried about the messaging behind, I dunno, small towns should totally get to keep their lovely failing deathtrap coalmines instead of being bailed out with better business offers 'cuz AMERICANA or whatever. Buut there's just also a whole lot to be impressed by, here. It's almost worrying, because I hadn't really had any expectations for this show, but now it has to continue to meet its own high standards.  How long is that gonna take?I also felt really old while watching this because I was, like, somehow becoming more invested and engaged by the Kents' mortgage and banking problems instead of the sci-fi Captain Luthor thing.
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Arist posted:She didn't, is the thing. Heyward lied. Ahh, I figured that might have been the case, cheers
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Feb 26, 2021 17:52
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I did like how it's pretty easy to see how Hayward was able to edit that video to make it look like she did though. Show her kicking the door in with her powers, show her flying in and scaring the technicians dismembering her dead hubby, cut to her storming down the hallway. Let the viewer infer the rest from the context you gave
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Feb 26, 2021 18:46
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WandaVision: I'm going to guess that the Vision Wanda created will join with the White Vision to become "whole" again
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Feb 26, 2021 18:47
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Davros1 posted:WandaVision: I'm going to guess that the Vision Wanda created will join with the White Vision to become "whole" again Yeah, that was my read as well.
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Feb 26, 2021 18:53
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I don't think Vision is making it out of this series at all. Part of her processing her grief is going to be having to let him go.
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Feb 26, 2021 18:54
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Yeah it'd be kinda weird for this story about Wanda's process of grief to end up just giving her what she'd wanted all along. Or I dunno. Maybe it will? If Vision's soul/mind/whatever does end up back in White Vision, there has to be some sort of price to pay for it. I imagine it ending like "Oh no Vision's lost his emotions.........or has he? Maybe there's still hope!"
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Feb 26, 2021 19:10
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vision lives but she has to sell the memory of their marriage to mephisto
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Feb 26, 2021 19:11
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X-O posted:I don't think Vision is making it out of this series at all. Part of her processing her grief is going to be having to let him go. Nah, I don't think they'd go that sad for the ending. They could easily have their cake and eat it too by having Wanda let Vision go, he starts turning into that yellow light, and then the yellow light goes into the defeated white Vision and it turns into regular Vision. But no matter what, I think they're gonna want a crowd pleasing ending where Wanda's got her husband and kids and can be happy in the real world.
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Feb 26, 2021 19:20
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BrianWilly posted:Yeah it'd be kinda weird for this story about Wanda's process of grief to end up just giving her what she'd wanted all along. this has happened several dozen times in the comics before so there is precedent for it If we are looking at a "YOU CAN'T HAVE IT ALL" style ending I'm betting Wanda has to choose between getting Vision back or keeping her children. Alternately, her children may be the paradigm-breaking cheat that allows her to keep it all, via ~the power of family~
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X-O posted:I don't think Vision is making it out of this series at all. Part of her processing her grief is going to be having to let him go. yeah, this has been my thinking since the beginning of the series and while I could of course be wrong, the latest episode only makes me more convinced that that's the direction they're going in though I do wonder how they'll thread the needle what will happen to Billy and Tommy, having them come back with Wanda kinda feels like it'd be rewarding her for her selfish and harmful actions, but it would be too much of a tease for Marvel to pull a Byrne and have them cease to exist at the end of the show (also too dark given how much Wanda has already been put through the wringer)
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Feb 26, 2021 19:24
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Oh I 100% expect the twins to be gone by the end of this show, or at least for Wanda to think that they're gone. We can't get Young Avengers unless they get sent off to different families somehow, and we're absolutely getting Young Avengers.
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Feb 26, 2021 19:27
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BrianWilly posted:We can't get Young Avengers unless they get sent off to different families somehow I don't really understand how this is the case, actually? just because Allan Heinberg was writing Billy as a self-insert character and thus felt the need to establish that he had a middle-class Jewish upbringing with normal human biological parents doesn't make it a fundamental part of the character that the MCU can't excise
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Barry Convex posted:I don't really understand how this is the case, actually? just because Allan Heinberg was writing Billy as a self-insert character and thus felt the need to establish that he had a middle-class Jewish upbringing with normal human biological parents doesn't make it a fundamental part of the character that the MCU can't excise Yeah, honestly, I think introducing the whole 'the kids essences got sent to different families... and maybe back in time... for... reasons?' thing is making something way more complicated than it needs to be. Like, we got Carol Danvers as Captain Marvel without having to rehash Avengers 200, I don't think you have to rehash every bad idea the comics did. Just cut the Gordian Knot and have them be her kids.
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BrianWilly posted:Oh I 100% expect the twins to be gone by the end of this show, or at least for Wanda to think that they're gone. We can't get Young Avengers unless they get sent off to different families somehow, and we're absolutely getting Young Avengers. don't altogether agree with the second sentence for the reasons others have provided, but i could see Wanda "losing" the twins to some mindwipe/reality-altering scenario, and having them rediscover their powers and/or parentage as part of the Young Avengers setup, without the convoluted reincarnation angle
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I know someone will argue it makes the FF less special, but Frank and Val ain't happening until FF3 in like 2029 or something I bet. Or have her be a single mom
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Feb 26, 2021 21:11
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That was really good.
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I think I know who I think I figured out what actor Paul Bettany was talking about when he said “I get to work with this actor that is a total secret. I have been longing to work with and act with [them] for years and I finally got to and it was amazing. Fireworks exploded and it was great.” Based off this episode It’s Paul Bettany
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Interesting that they actually went and rebuilt Vision. I figured SWORD's evil scheme revolved solely around getting the vibranium, since Wakanda's so tight about it But yeah, "Hex" Vision is totally gonna merge with White Vision to bring him back at the end. I mean, the end can still be plenty melancholy, because personally I think it will end on Vision leaving Wanda because he's still angry about the whole "I kidnapped thousands and manipulated them and you to live my dream" thing. Plus it's been established he has none of his pre-death memories so he can have a nice existential crisis about whether he actually loves Wanda or whether he's just hard-wired to love her. Anyway it seems like the real thing I've learned from WandaVision as a whole is that the Avengers are lovely friends. Like I know Wanda wasn't besties with all of them, but if I had a friend who I knew experienced extreme trauma and the death of a loved one I feel like I'd try to help them through that. I mean geez, at the very least Hawkeye or Hulk or Old Steve or any of those jerks could've gone with Wanda to recover the body. Then again, they're the ones that just let the government take Vision in the first place. Shameful...
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I know! I mean, jesus, Pepper couldn't put in some calls to her lobbyists or senators she's bankrolled? T'Challa can't put some pressure on them for seizing stolen goods? (Remember, Vision's vibranium body was sourced from stolen ore Klaw sold Ultron) Clint or Rhodey couldn't at least walk her to the front desk (A full bird USAF colonel probably has some kind of pull at SWORD if it's US based/sanctioned)?
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Karma Tornado posted:I hope he's Seth the Immortal and they've decided to adapt the bizarre Terry Kavanaugh era where Frenchie had the spirit of a Templar knight or something inside him and Moon Knight fought demons you and i, we should be friends (acquaintances) give me a hellbent movie, feige
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also (wandavision, speculation, ep 8 spoilers implied) i think that dottie and maybe hex-vision are the mind stone, or invested with/expressions of the essence of it somehow. they both have the golden signature (dottie's flowers, visions powers and his creation by wanda) and ep 8 made a point of showing the golden-hued mind stone prominently. it also would explain why hex-vision can awaken people from wanda's sitcom-making influence also, dottie was the “key to all of this” or some similar phrasing in ep 2, which was also when her hairstyle was down to small details a mirror image of wanda's hairstyle
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