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happyhippy posted:Can't see it from the EU here. quote:‘I hope I make it’: 7-year-old Alabama girl selling lemonade to fund her own brain surgeries
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Feb 28, 2021 17:16
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Colonel Cancer posted:Using your dying child for labor I think they're free labor if it's your child?
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Len posted:I think they're free labor if it's your child? Children are not free though, the little fuckers keep being hungry and grow out of even burlap sacks, and you have to have space for them and all their loving stuff. What I'm saying is that homegrown child labour is a bad short term investment. Possibly better in the long term when they can afford to put you in a hinge when you're old. But at the current rate, that's unlikely.
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BonHair posted:Children are not free though, the little fuckers keep being hungry and grow out of even burlap sacks, and you have to have space for them and all their loving stuff. What I'm saying is that homegrown child labour is a bad short term investment. Possibly better in the long term when they can afford to put you in a hinge when you're old. But at the current rate, that's unlikely. thats why some savvy investors have turned their children into profit centers by posting their lives on Instagram and collecting ad revenue bonus points for special needs children
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The Nastier Nate posted:thats why some savvy investors have turned their children into profit centers by posting their lives on Instagram and collecting ad revenue local radio is advertising “youtube school” for parents wanting to get their boring children into streaming
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BonHair posted:Children are not free though, the little fuckers keep being hungry and grow out of even burlap sacks, and you have to have space for them and all their loving stuff. What I'm saying is that homegrown child labour is a bad short term investment. Possibly better in the long term when they can afford to put you in a hinge when you're old. But at the current rate, that's unlikely. its why historically its mostly been peasants (as opposed to serfs or slaves) and other farmers that have surplus food having like 12 kids, because it only makes sense when you have an excess of food
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Feb 28, 2021 19:18
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Larry Parrish posted:its why historically its mostly been peasants (as opposed to serfs or slaves) and other farmers that have surplus food having like 12 kids, because it only makes sense when you have an excess of food Are you sure this is accurate? I thought it had more to do with stuff like effective birth control more than anything else?
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Feb 28, 2021 20:07
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but isn’t twitch owned by amazon?
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Feb 28, 2021 20:11
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Jel Shaker posted:but isn’t twitch owned by amazon? Yup!
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Feb 28, 2021 20:18
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this looks like a hostage video
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Feb 28, 2021 20:28
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The_Franz posted:this looks like a hostage video It is!
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Feb 28, 2021 20:31
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HashtagGirlboss posted:Are you sure this is accurate? I thought it had more to do with stuff like effective birth control more than anything else? thats part of it but its not that easy to get knocked up lol. you don't accidentally have a big family even with no birth control
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Feb 28, 2021 21:04
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Larry Parrish posted:thats part of it but its not that easy to get knocked up lol. you don't accidentally have a big family even with no birth control I mean how hard it is really varies between individuals and anyway children were pretty cheap until recent history. I’m hardly an expert and I’m fascinated to know more but I’m skeptical of widespread effective family planning in pre-modern societies
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Feb 28, 2021 21:16
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nature family planned for you by killing 80% of your children! so gentle!
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Feb 28, 2021 21:18
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your manager @ amazon asks you if you voted for the union I DID-ENT 
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Feb 28, 2021 21:32
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Feb 28, 2021 21:35
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HashtagGirlboss posted:children were pretty cheap until recent history I don’t think this has ever been true in human existence
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Feb 28, 2021 22:43
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indigi posted:I don’t think this has ever been true in human existence The value of a young child is always totally dependent on the owner and market, like anything else. In the past they were more likely to die young therefore you did not want to get attached to them. Therefore they were more fungible and liquid if someone wanted to buy them as a slave or trade them to eat in a famine or whatevs.
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Feb 28, 2021 23:18
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most of the time they were taken, along with other family, as payment for a debt.
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Feb 28, 2021 23:32
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Preen Dog posted:In the past they were more likely to die young therefore you did not want to get attached to them. lol
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Hodgepodge posted:most of the time they were taken, along with other family, as payment for a debt. Reading Graeber's Debt at the moment, and very much this but also more complicated
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Feb 28, 2021 23:38
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yeah the whole parents only valued their kids as tools is an urban myth more than anything. Even among the noble class who did use them as tools
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Feb 28, 2021 23:46
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like is there a single source of peasants going “yeah we don’t love our kids until they’re about 12-13 just in case they die”
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indigi posted:like is there a single source of peasants going “yeah we don’t love our kids until they’re about 12-13 just in case they die” if half your babies died it would be pretty traumatic
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Mar 1, 2021 00:02
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I've heard of places where kids didn't get named for months/years after they were born but that seems more for grief mitigation than because they didn't care
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GotLag posted:I've heard of places where kids didn't get named for years after they were born but that seems more for grief mitigation than because they didn't care How the heck would that even work - "hey, you! No not you, you! No no not you either, you there!" or "did you feed that uhh that dude? no not that dude, the other dude!"
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ArmZ posted:if half your babies died it would be pretty traumatic not if you don’t love them. checkmate
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Mar 1, 2021 00:11
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Gregori Dati (not a peasant, a merchant from Florence) had like 26 kids, most of whom died. From what I remember of his diary, he seemed to celebrate them being born but was also resigned to the possibility of them dying at a very young age. It's difficult to imagine now, but high infant mortality was a fact of life, and if your kids are likely to die that's probably going to change how you view them and how attached you get. Plus if you're a peasant you don't really have the option of taking some time off to sort yourself out, you work or you (and your family) starve to death.
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if you are a peasant you do backbreaking work half the year and the other half of the year you dont have jack poo poo to do cuz youre waiting for crops to grow or waiting for winter to end animals are a part time job
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Buck Turgidson posted:Gregori Dati (not a peasant, a merchant from Florence) had like 26 kids, most of whom died. From what I remember of his diary, he seemed to celebrate them being born but was also resigned to the possibility of them dying at a very young age. It's difficult to imagine now, but high infant mortality was a fact of life, and if your kids are likely to die that's probably going to change how you view them and how attached you get. Plus if you're a peasant you don't really have the option of taking some time off to sort yourself out, you work or you (and your family) starve to death. Merchants from Florence started the black death outbreak in Europe by demanding their goods be released from quarantine early so I don't know if you should use them as a yardstick for empathy
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you could die at any time for any reason and you had very little understanding of why a lot of the times. I don’t know why people think kids dying was special other than back loading modern sensibilities onto the past
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The Oldest Man posted:Merchants from Florence started the black death outbreak in Europe by demanding their goods be released from quarantine early so I don't know if you should use them as a yardstick for empathy The point is that conditions were different. It's easier to understand why some people's relationships with their children would be different if the likelihood of them dying was sky high.
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Buck Turgidson posted:The point is that conditions were different. It's easier to understand why some people's relationships with their children would be different if the likelihood of them dying was sky high. Is a merchant with 26 kids a good proxy for the peasantry back then?
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there is a poem that survives of a father dealing with a father losing his young daughter to the Black Plague
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Buck Turgidson posted:Gregori Dati (not a peasant, a merchant from Florence) had like 26 kids, most of whom died. From what I remember of his diary, he seemed to celebrate them being born but was also resigned to the possibility of them dying at a very young age. It's difficult to imagine now, but high infant mortality was a fact of life, and if your kids are likely to die that's probably going to change how you view them and how attached you get. Plus if you're a peasant you don't really have the option of taking some time off to sort yourself out, you work or you (and your family) starve to death. The US already has high infant mortality rates, and is the most plagueridden country on the planet, it's not hard to imagine at all.
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child mortality wasn't that bad until agriculture & animal husbandry humans did not evolve to have more than half their kids die. obv humans have maybe the slowest and least efficient reproductive cycle of all living things ever
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humans walk on two legs, have no hair and our digestive tract is basically a trash can. our collective social nature lets us tend to the sick and heal the wounded. even if we never figured out agriculture or cooking we're basically the final product of evolution on earth, a naturally occuring grey goo there is no creature more alien to this planet than us
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