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World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006


i just wanted to shitpost for gods sake

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Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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Judge Dredd Scott posted:

hell yeah brother. goons gotta get over their weird performative gen-xer hating anime thing its really weird to witness all the time honestly. like hating an entire country's output in a single medium for ????? reason is real insane especially this late in the game

:stare:

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

I mean, we know the reasons, but yeah it's time to let it go weirdos

Racism? Is that the implication?

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

can someone explain the political economy of the discworld setting to me. this is vital to the boot discussion.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Atrocious Joe posted:

can someone explain the political economy of the discworld setting to me. this is vital to the boot discussion.

Anhk-Morpork's government is just Xi's China.

Miss Lonelyhearts
Mar 22, 2003


Some Guy TT posted:

i have i have also bought expensive lovely things that broke much sooner than i expected and i too thought that was a universal human experience

Yes but this impacts you more when it's harder to replace, because you have less money. It's easier for wealthy people to endure and recover from financial mistakes op.

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

Some Guy TT posted:

i have i have also bought expensive lovely things that broke much sooner than i expected and i too thought that was a universal human experience

these last couple pages have me dying irl

Pop Culture thread: i have also bought expensive lovely things

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

It may be expensive being poor, but have you considered that Tesla cars exist?

ArmedZombie
Jun 6, 2004

how does the communism forum not get that the quote attributes poverty to some structural defect of the world instead of exploitation by capital

also pratchett is for children

Eox
Jun 20, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
at least pratchett could use a loving comma

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

some expensive things are lovely, thus cheap things are always as good as expensive things, it is only logical

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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Can't post for 9 years!

ArmZ posted:

how does the communism forum not get that the quote attributes poverty to some structural defect of the world instead of exploitation by capital

also pratchett is for children

book man sucks so they can't read it properly sorry

indigi
Jul 20, 2004
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ArmZ posted:

how does the communism forum not get that the quote attributes poverty to some structural defect of the world instead of exploitation by capital

also pratchett is for children

it doesn’t attribute poverty to anything, it merely discusses one of the benefits of being rich/things that suck about being poor by distilling it to a relevant example

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

*drops a ken loach dvd in front of a girl*
"whoops i dropped my very serious dvd that i use for my very serious brain"

World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006


personally, i know that i expect my poor working-class fantasy protagonists to be well-read in theory and able to converse intelligently on slavoj zizek's observation that it is easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism

ArmedZombie
Jun 6, 2004

Eox posted:

at least pratchett could use a loving comma

punctuation is for cowards

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Wheeee posted:

some expensive things are lovely, thus cheap things are always as good as expensive things, it is only logical

theyre not always as good as expensive things theyre just less likely to be as good as expensive things the difference may or may not justify the higher price tag it depends a lot on why the thing is more expensive

commodities are not priced according to their usefulness and im baffled as to why i have to keep repeating this given that its a no duh observation in any other context on this subforum

ArmedZombie
Jun 6, 2004

indigi posted:

it doesn’t attribute poverty to anything, it merely discusses one of the benefits of being rich/things that suck about being poor by distilling it to a relevant example

uhhhh that's exactly what it does

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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well meaning goon attempts to understand poverty, fails itt

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

the section quoted doesn't specify the extra costs associated with poverty as the cause of poverty.

however, the idea of "a theory of socio-economic unfairness" does imply that there could be a fair class system. Discworld is by a British author where there is less of the US assumption of a fair capitalist system allowing for social mobility. The selection is criticizing how poor people are ripped off. However, it hopes for a fantasy world where they are still poor, but have some money to spend.

i've also bought cheaper boots to save money and had them fall apart so I ended up spending more overall. so maybe my personal experience is warping my perception of those two paragraphs of children's lit.

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

Atrocious Joe posted:



however, the idea of "a theory of socio-economic unfairness" does imply that there could be a fair class system.

yeah we call that socialism

Qoey
Jun 2, 2014

Some Guy TT posted:

commodities are not priced according to their usefulness and im baffled as to why i have to keep repeating this given that its a no duh observation in any other context on this subforum

You "have" to keep repeating this because you're doing a drat good job of ignoring the large number of other people who are telling you that your head is up your rear end

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

ArmZ posted:

how does the communism forum not get that the quote attributes poverty to some structural defect of the world instead of exploitation by capital

also pratchett is for children

The Goon drive to contrarianism leads to looking like they can't comprehend a children's fantasy book series

KomradeX has issued a correction as of 06:43 on Mar 4, 2021

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Atrocious Joe posted:

i've also bought cheaper boots to save money and had them fall apart so I ended up spending more overall. so maybe my personal experience is warping my perception of those two paragraphs of children's lit.

i find that when i actually crunch the numbers on my boots related expenditures the ones that cost more dont actually last that much longer commensurate with their price a ten dollar pair might last me three months but if a fifty dollar pair only lasts a year then the cheap boots are actually a better value

this doesnt even get into random accidents that will render boots of all prices equally worthless which is another reason to favor cheap disposable commodities over expensive ones of allegedly higher value

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Your gimmick sucks

Syncopation
Feb 21, 2020
is there a gas leak where half of you live what the gently caress be normal

indigi
Jul 20, 2004
Probation
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Some Guy TT posted:

this doesnt even get into random accidents that will render boots of all prices equally worthless which is another reason to favor cheap disposable commodities over expensive ones of allegedly higher value

lmao

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
It's a good passage because it tells you a lot about how the character thinks and feels, which is what is actually important in a loving book.

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

what the gently caress are you doing with your boots, even forest firefighters and the like see long term value in high quality leather boots

your comments suggest that you have no idea what the gently caress and are conflating 'good boots' with expensive fashion brand items

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

i have actually made the distinction between good quality boots and expensive boots multiple times you are the one who has been deliberately conflating these two terms into having the same meaning

Aglet56
Sep 1, 2011
if i see a certain word starting with B and rhyming with roots one more time, i'm gonna lose it

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
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Who is your favorite funk bassist?

Solar Tornado
Aug 9, 2016

A true fool keeps on fighting, even when there is no more glory to be gained

Some Guy TT posted:



so i hear about the brilliance of this passage all the time and i just want it on record that i hate it

the boots analogy assumes that the hardiness of boots directly correlates with how expensive they are which isnt actually true boots like any widely traded good are difficult for a layman to evaluate because who the hell are you going to ask the boots consumer protection board maybe those fifty dollar boots are fifty dollars because theyre good quality boots or maybe theyre fifty dollars because michael jordan endorsed them the only way a normal person could possibly know that is if they spend an inordinate amount of time researching boots at which point they are now contributing the opportunity cost of research in addition to the financial cost of the boots

and what happens if you buy a bum pair of expensive boots or if you buy a good pair of expensive boots that just get stolen from you or if some accident either destroys your boots or forces you to lose them all of a sudden youre out a fuckton more money in the short term than you would have if youd just stuck with the cheaper boots and what exactly are you doing with your boots related savings anyway its probably just going to your disposable income its not a major expense like a car which is an example where paying for the more expensive and supposedly gooder options absolutely completely loving hoses you

the idolization of this passage just really frustrates me given that we live in an era of bootlegs that are literally indistinguishable from originals because theyre made in the same drat factories you are not challenging capitalism with this stupid boots analogy you are buying into its very premises

Is your alt account name's "Yahtzee"? Because there is zero punctuation going on with your posts, goddmann

Solar Tornado has issued a correction as of 08:19 on Mar 4, 2021

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

Some Guy TT posted:

i have actually made the distinction between good quality boots and expensive boots multiple times you are the one who has been deliberately conflating these two terms into having the same meaning

yes sometimes expensive things are bad

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

and for that matter theres no ring world full of funny british goblins or whatever ive enver read the books. who does this terry pratchet guy think hes fooling?

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?
I like rewatching the wire and realizing nearly everyone is a shithead

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

baltimore is the friendliest city in america

animist
Aug 28, 2018
i do wonder why nobody's tried to cancel pratchett for his books about china / the middle east. iirc they were pretty orientalist, I remember the phrase "they have whips in their minds" was repeated throughout one of the china ones. it was may have been more a parody of orientalist works but that's always a fine line to walk, you'd think somebody would have at least tried it for the clout

i guess i forget that it's fine to be publicly racist about state designated enemies like china

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

the one concession im willing to make on the whole chinas taking over are hollywood thing is that worrying about the chinese market has probably helped make movies less racist

as this is a positive impact no one ever wants to talk about that particular angle

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DoubleDonut
Oct 22, 2010


Fallen Rib

animist posted:

i do wonder why nobody's tried to cancel pratchett for his books about china / the middle east. iirc they were pretty orientalist, I remember the phrase "they have whips in their minds" was repeated throughout one of the china ones. it was may have been more a parody of orientalist works but that's always a fine line to walk, you'd think somebody would have at least tried it for the clout

i guess i forget that it's fine to be publicly racist about state designated enemies like china

fwiw I remember a few bits regarding racism in Discworld that are Not Great

stuff like "these dwarfs sure would be better off if they'd just stop feeling so oppressed all the time" and all of the members of the Fair Treatment For Dwarves Society (or whatever) being humans, how hilarious that they aren't even members of the minority that they claim is so oppressed

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