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Ulta
Oct 3, 2006

Snail on my head ready to go.
I’ve been reading my hero academia and it’s striking me that it’s much more conservative and pro-police it is than the western comics (like X-men) it’s in conversation with. Major comic events in the Marvel universe that are bad like the Mutant Registration Act, Superhero registration, restriction on child superheroes happen and are called out as good things. State sponsor child cop/soldiers are good, as long as they are licensed and don’t ask too many questions.

One of the early villains, Stained, can be read as “What if defund the police but too much”.

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Organic Lube User
Apr 15, 2005

KomradeX posted:

Your gimmick sucks

I'll never understand the urge among goons to try to be the main character in every thread.

Impkins Patootie
Apr 20, 2017





lol

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

MonsieurChoc posted:

It's a good passage because it tells you a lot about how the character thinks and feels, which is what is actually important in a loving book.

Im sorry but depiction is always endorsement, and thus, you can never write a character who isnt 100% uncriticizable

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Ulta posted:

I’ve been reading my hero academia and it’s striking me that it’s much more conservative and pro-police it is than the western comics (like X-men) it’s in conversation with. Major comic events in the Marvel universe that are bad like the Mutant Registration Act, Superhero registration, restriction on child superheroes happen and are called out as good things. State sponsor child cop/soldiers are good, as long as they are licensed and don’t ask too many questions.

One of the early villains, Stained, can be read as “What if defund the police but too much”.

lol I can’t even imagine how pro cop you have to be to be more pro cop than Marvel/DC comics

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

Organic Lube User posted:

I'll never understand the urge among goons to try to be the main character in every thread.

twitter brain

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

indigi posted:

lol I can’t even imagine how pro cop you have to be to be more pro cop than Marvel/DC comics

i think it might depend on whether youre defining pro cop as being pro the institution of law enforcement or pro beating the crap out of people for perceived slights to authority

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 213 days!
japanese comics are often more comfortable violence with if the state or another institution can control or contain it; this is probably related to their love of tournament arcs

americans are also okay with the state using violence, as long as this does not interfere with or contain other expressions of violence. captain america, who still uses his military rank as his public identity as if it were his first name, opposes state interference in his use of violence because he is opposed in principle to being held accountable.

Hodgepodge has issued a correction as of 15:40 on Mar 4, 2021

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
to be fair he was opposed to the state collecting everyone’s names and addresses

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 213 days!

indigi posted:

to be fair he was opposed to the state collecting everyone’s names and addresses

sure, of people who openly intend to frequently deploy magic powers that are routinely more destructive than military grade artillery in public, in specific reference to the intention and ability to level whole city blocks

the government already has your name and address, and did before we gave it to facebook to sell to everyone else

ArmedZombie
Jun 6, 2004

goons failing to understand that the usage and interpretation is what matters and that the intent of the author is irrelevant?? well i never!

ArmedZombie
Jun 6, 2004

Atrocious Joe posted:

the section quoted doesn't specify the extra costs associated with poverty as the cause of poverty.

however, the idea of "a theory of socio-economic unfairness" does imply that there could be a fair class system.

lmao these two statements are directly contradictory

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Just love the galaxy brained takes to miss the obvious point from a book for children (teenagers at best) that being poor is expensive. Sorry that Pratchett didn't write a chapter of theory in the middle of his fantasy cop book

KomradeX has issued a correction as of 17:34 on Mar 4, 2021

Zhulik
Nov 14, 2012

The Montreal Star
just give up. i understand book and marx better thab any of you. your all lumpen

Breakfast All Day
Oct 21, 2004

truck'n and lump'n is all i crave

God Hole
Mar 2, 2016

i finally started watching the expanse and i must say, it's good folx.

this thread got me thinking though... i'm only halfway through season 1 but it seems like the magnetic boots are pretty standardized and everyone's seemingly got the same quality pair.

kind of a missed opportunity on the part of the showrunners, not to have the lower-class characters' boots randomly disengaging or acting all wonky while they try to navigate around their ships while the elite characters have no such issue.

the fact that they didn't do this specific thing really undercuts the rest of the class commentary of the series imo

Qoey
Jun 2, 2014

Some Guy TT posted:

i think it might depend on whether youre defining pro cop as being pro the institution of law enforcement or pro beating the crap out of people for perceived slights to authority

USE A PERIOD, PLEASE.

Jesus, your posts read like a stream of consciousness author who doesn't actually have anything of value to say.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

KomradeX posted:

Just love the galaxy brained takes to miss the obvious point from a book for children (teenagers at best) that being poor is expensive. Sorry that Pratchett did write a chapter of theory in the middle of his fantasy cop book

Whoah Pratchett wrote about COPS?!

CANCELLED

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

God Hole posted:

i finally started watching the expanse and i must say, it's good folx.

this thread got me thinking though... i'm only halfway through season 1 but it seems like the magnetic boots are pretty standardized and everyone's seemingly got the same quality pair.

kind of a missed opportunity on the part of the showrunners, not to have the lower-class characters' boots randomly disengaging or acting all wonky while they try to navigate around their ships while the elite characters have no such issue.

the fact that they didn't do this specific thing really undercuts the rest of the class commentary of the series imo

Could have been a good moment, but they do some stuff with ship quality.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Qoey posted:

USE A PERIOD, PLEASE.

Jesus, your posts read like a stream of consciousness author who doesn't actually have anything of value to say.

if thats how you feel about my posting i dont think punctuations going to help

Qoey
Jun 2, 2014
Fair point, you should still post better

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002
No time for punctuation you're a twin turbo!! vroom vroom

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

ArmZ posted:

lmao these two statements are directly contradictory

if you have no brain, maybe

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

God Hole posted:

i finally started watching the expanse and i must say, it's good folx.

this thread got me thinking though... i'm only halfway through season 1 but it seems like the magnetic boots are pretty standardized and everyone's seemingly got the same quality pair.

kind of a missed opportunity on the part of the showrunners, not to have the lower-class characters' boots randomly disengaging or acting all wonky while they try to navigate around their ships while the elite characters have no such issue.

the fact that they didn't do this specific thing really undercuts the rest of the class commentary of the series imo

they’re just electromagnets, and they’re critical to ship operation. you may as well ask why everyone has suits that hold atmo or ships that recycle water: if it doesn’t work, you’re hosed, there’s no story to be told there

Rabid Snake
Aug 6, 2004



that OK boomer girl ended up being an anti tipper and “bootstrap” girl after a quick google after her aoc video


what a grift


edit:

Rabid Snake has issued a correction as of 17:51 on Mar 4, 2021

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug

indigi posted:

they’re just electromagnets, and they’re critical to ship operation. you may as well ask why everyone has suits that hold atmo or ships that recycle water: if it doesn’t work, you’re hosed, there’s no story to be told there

yeah, one of the themes of the Expanse is that space will kill you in an instant if you make the slightest mistake. if the people running things want their labor force to do their jobs and make money for them, you can't have them just randomly flying off into space all the time.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Rabid Snake posted:

that OK boomer girl ended up being an anti tipper and “bootstrap” girl after a quick google after her aoc video


what a grift


edit:



I mean that quote is from 2017, it seems stupid but she’s probably evolved her thinking on that issue. not that I know anything about her beside the OK Boomer video, I just don’t think doing Tweet Detective truly represents a person

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

God Hole posted:

i finally started watching the expanse and i must say, it's good folx.

this thread got me thinking though... i'm only halfway through season 1 but it seems like the magnetic boots are pretty standardized and everyone's seemingly got the same quality pair.

kind of a missed opportunity on the part of the showrunners, not to have the lower-class characters' boots randomly disengaging or acting all wonky while they try to navigate around their ships while the elite characters have no such issue.

the fact that they didn't do this specific thing really undercuts the rest of the class commentary of the series imo

the belters have neck tattoos to cover up scars that were caused by cheap space suits leaking around the neck, causing injuries. some younger characters still have neck tattoos, but their space suit quality has improved, so it's just tradition now.

i think older Belters like Dawes may still have neck scars.

but does a space suit being expensive make it higher quality? The cost value of a space suit is not the same as use value right?

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

It's also a teenager right? Teenagers are loving stupid

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Atrocious Joe posted:

the belters have neck tattoos too cover up scars that were caused by cheap space suits leaking around the neck, causing injuries. some younger characters still have neck tattoos, but their space suit quality has improved, so it's just tradition now.

i think older Belters like Dawes may still have neck scars.

but does an space suit being expensive make it higher quality? The cost value of a space suit is not the same as use value right?

Yeah Dawes has actual scars iirc. Interestingly Inaros doesn't even have the tattoos

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

ArmZ posted:

lmao these two statements are directly contradictory

in my extensive studies of the british mind, there exists the idea that there can be a poor person who is happy in their position. They will be happy with their chip sandwich meals and bottle of buckfast, and see themselves as prosperous. This is because they see class as a position bestowed by God or their Queen, not an economic position.

Dr. Killjoy
Oct 9, 2012

:thunk::mason::brainworms::tinfoil::thunkher:

KomradeX posted:

It's also a teenager right? Teenagers are loving stupid

well she'd have been 15 when making the dumb tipping comment

and 18 when half the internet wanted to gently caress her

:hmmyes:

Organic Lube User
Apr 15, 2005

Qoey posted:

USE A PERIOD, PLEASE.

Jesus, your posts read like a stream of consciousness author who doesn't actually have anything of value to say.

That's his gimmick.

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

what did you guys think about the Cockbill Street section of Feet of Clay?

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

StashAugustine posted:

Yeah Dawes has actual scars iirc. Interestingly Inaros doesn't even have the tattoos

he’s too pretty tbh

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

God Hole posted:

i finally started watching the expanse and i must say, it's good folx.

this thread got me thinking though... i'm only halfway through season 1 but it seems like the magnetic boots are pretty standardized and everyone's seemingly got the same quality pair.

kind of a missed opportunity on the part of the showrunners, not to have the lower-class characters' boots randomly disengaging or acting all wonky while they try to navigate around their ships while the elite characters have no such issue.

the fact that they didn't do this specific thing really undercuts the rest of the class commentary of the series imo

if you're only partway through season 1 then you haven't got to the part yet where Miller does a monologue about how he buys $10 magboots that wear out after a season or two while the rich spend $50 on fancy magboots that last them years, and then he turns to the camera and says "this is the Detective Josephus Miller 'Magboots' theory of socio-economic unfairness."

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

But the thing was that good posters lasted for years and years. A funny poster who could afford fifty dollars of forums upgrades had an account that'd still be providing five golden manbabies of entertainment in ten years' time, while a poo poo, unfunny idiot who argued with twitter photos of excerpts from a middlebrow British fantasy book series would have spent a hundred dollars on parachute accounts in the same time and would still make awful posts.

Eric Cantonese
Dec 21, 2004

You should hear my accent.

vyelkin posted:

if you're only partway through season 1 then you haven't got to the part yet where Miller does a monologue about how he buys $10 magboots that wear out after a season or two while the rich spend $50 on fancy magboots that last them years, and then he turns to the camera and says "this is the Detective Josephus Miller 'Magboots' theory of socio-economic unfairness."

This show sounds like it sucks.

By the way, I think Liverpool will lose today.

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

Dr. Killjoy posted:

well she'd have been 15 when making the dumb tipping comment

and 18 when half the internet wanted to gently caress her

:hmmyes:

lol, people will get mad about anything huh. Cant believe a teen said something dumb, surely this has never happened before

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CURIOSITY OF GEESE
Jan 29, 2009

My favorite meat is hot dog, by the way. That is my favorite meat. My second favorite meat is hamburger. And, everyone says, oh, don’t you prefer steak? It’s like, I know steaks are great, but I like hot dog best, and I like hamburger next best.
It's crazy that someone can be this thickheaded about a simple and correct statement. Being poor is crazy expensive, not least because of only being able to buy shoddy goods. Like, just pretend that instead of specifically cheap and expensive boots he's talking about renting vs owning housing.

Mortgages may be cheap enough on a monthly basis that they're equivalent, but the initial capital required for a down payment means they're functionally out of reach (expensive boots). So, someone rents instead (cheap boots). After ten years, the renter is still loving renting (new boots every year and wet feet), but the owner might have equity/another house/security (a good pair of boots paid for once).

Or if that's too abstracted from the rigid category of a specific exchange of money for goods, then just compare it to loving cars or whatever. Like, poor working people get bled dry from automotive issues where middle-class or rich people will easily take the hit in stride.

It's not about "what causes poverty" it's about another type of financial exploitation of poor and working people. It may contribute to keeping people in a vicious financial spiral of degrading goods->payday loan->emergency->etc.
Like, if you can't see that there's a predatory system in place that aims to exploit people by keeping them poor I don't know what you're doing here

Edit: also "expensive things also are lovely" doesn't take away from the point of the parable. The only thing that changes is the rich person has to buy more often too but isn't hosed over by it.

CURIOSITY OF GEESE has issued a correction as of 19:31 on Mar 4, 2021

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