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Lurking Haro posted:Wouldn't she have memories of her first reincarnation in that case? The nightmare vestige, the spider he was fighting, did absolutely talk though. It kept repeating "die hero." It's a little more clear that they are actually hearing it say that in the LN. But it was absolutely talking. It also used magic if you go look back at episode 6! Kumoko is supposed to just look like one of the other spiders however. It's an artist's conceit to let us, the viewers, more easily empathize with her situation and understand her thoughts and emotions.
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AlternateNu posted:1. Not necessarily. We don't know the mechanics of the reincarnation system. She could've died as a baby. We don't even know the extent of what she recalls from her life in Japan. Every incarnation we witnessed remembers their past life and if they didn't remember, Oka would have had a much harder time tracking them down. There is no indication they have any gaps in their memories. Everybody's last memory is the classroom exploding (I recon it was a truck-bomb). Saying Kumoko got reincarnated a second time, wouldn't the others that died get reincarnated, too? If they died soon after the first time, they would be just a bit younger. Oka would be able to find them in that case. We do know Kumoko is special in some way because of the low skill point budget and getting special attention by the administrator. As for Oka's warning against skill hoarding, accidentally getting levels in Taboo might be the most obvious reason. -e- Nitrousoxide posted:The nightmare vestige, the spider he was fighting, did absolutely talk though. It kept repeating "die hero." It only talked once in that episode and it came across more as a mental projection to me. Magic doesn't require talking, though. Nice that there is some support to her human features just being an artistic choice. Lurking Haro fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Feb 28, 2021 |
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Do know how many skills Fei started with? Maybe monsters just start with less.
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fei is a baby dragon who essentially lived as a pet her whole life and was able to kill an adult dragon. if she didn't start with the reincarnator skill point bonus then there's something else going on with her.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:fei is a baby dragon who essentially lived as a pet her whole life and was able to kill an adult dragon. if she didn't start with the reincarnator skill point bonus then there's something else going on with her. It could be maybe there's a damage bonus if its kin vs kin? It would make a certain kind of sense while also being taboo. Humans have a easier time killing humans while monsters have a harder time killing humans? IIRC Aside from Hugo wasn't it established that maybe aside from Katia, everyone has mostly avoided spending their starting skills? So presumably Fei hasn't bought any skill points either.
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Compare and contrast Kumoko with her (presumably identical) siblings:  - Arrangement of eyes is the same, but other spiders are lacking the human-looking ones - Kumoko has more rounded shapes and is less rigid in her movements. - She also has more pink in her design. In general, she's like a cartoon version of the other spiders. Presumably this is all her mental image of herself / the audience.
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I wonder if Fei has the same deal with her fellow baby dragons?
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Bobulus posted:Compare and contrast Kumoko with her (presumably identical) siblings: Isn't she described as looking like a larger version of a normal spider in the WN version? Actually, I think in the WN version taratects are black, instead of white with black spots.
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Raenir Salazar posted:It could be maybe there's a damage bonus if its kin vs kin? It would make a certain kind of sense while also being taboo. Humans have a easier time killing humans while monsters have a harder time killing humans? Gyges posted:I still think all the Kumoko stuff is actually happening 15 or so years before all the human stuff.
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The human reincarnations seem to carry over facial features from their previous lives (even the red-haired girl). While that may just be artistic license for the sake of the audience, it can be reasoned that even the monster reincarnations would carry over those same human characteristics from their past selves.
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Lurking Haro posted:
The AoE version of the isekai truck
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Super Jay Mann posted:So I'm a Spider, so What? Starring Aoi Yuuki and Aoi Yuuki. Special Guest Aoi Yuuki. And now, introducing, Aoi Yuuki.
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Doodles posted:This should be the new thread title. If it fits, I'd say  Mods?
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Xelkelvos posted:If it fits, I'd say 
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Electric Phantasm posted:Where did the Kumoko name come from anyway? Actually has she referred herself to Kumoko outside of the ED? AFAIK it's just shorthand for the title because it's a bit of a mouthful and didn't have an easily digestible shorthand back when it was in English only via MTL-with-slight-editing WN. Kumoko aka the one with the girl spider reincarnation. Lurking Haro posted:Nice that there is some support to her human features just being an artistic choice. A nice touch in the LN/manga is the illustrations of her various evolutions showing what the non-Kumo version looks like. I always took it as an obvious artistic choice to make her stand out/make her more relatable, especially for those with arachnophobia. Argas fucked around with this message at 05:50 on Mar 1, 2021 |
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That earth flashback was a bit different than the original version: Shun saw Wakaba Hiiro getting harrassed on the way to the vending machine, but did not interfere. She just glared at Shinohara which caused her to back down, without any distraction from Shun. He feels bad for not stepping in, and thinks that Kyouya probably would have done so if he was there. Then on the way back from the vending machine, Shun took a different route to avoid going past that area again.
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Very important episode today! We meet (summary of today's episode) Black, D, all the demon lord's Lt commanders, get a show of her power, and Shun becomes the new hero! I'm excited to see what the anime only folks make of this episode.
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And now we know for sure that theres a time skip between plot lines . There were hints of it before but now its confirmed. And we get to see what Kumoko really looks like at the start  No habla isekai DurosKlav fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Mar 5, 2021 |
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Holy gently caress this episode was excellent. Also: DurosKlav posted:No habla isekai thread title right there
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DurosKlav posted:And now we know for sure that theres a time skip between plot lines . There were hints of it before but now its confirmed. Not only that they also outright tell us how long said time skip is, though off the top of my head it's a little different than the LN.
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Tamba posted:Hayami Saori as D Rachel from Tower of God as an evil god is a good pick
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Nitrousoxide posted:Very important episode today! Random thoughts/predictions/questions in no particular order: 1. The cloaked Demon LT who looked like a cleric is a follower of The Voice Cult and will have some connection/fight/relationship with crazy Voice Cult girl in Shun's class. 2. If Black is an admin, does that make D a super admin? There's obviously some hierarchy going on here. 3. The time split between the two story arcs makes me wonder if the admin system was always in place or whether it was created/modified by the isekai'd class in response to poo poo that happened in the intervening time. 4. The time split doesn't mean it's confirmed which story happened first chronologically. (I'm still holding on to my pet theory that Kumoko is a reincarnation of a reincarnation, though that's probably way off at this point.)
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I like the implication that after being worried about her for all this time, Fei (or maybe an ancestor of her's) was only not Wakaba's lunch because she couldn't break her egg.
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AlternateNu posted:4. The time split doesn't mean it's confirmed which story happened first chronologically. (I'm still holding on to my pet theory that Kumoko is a reincarnation of a reincarnation, though that's probably way off at this point.) Unless there was another terratect with a dragon egg that had its nest invaded by humans and had their dragon egg stolen, I think it's kind of explicit that the kumoko story is taking place 15 years prior to the classmates story, regardless of her reincarnation status
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Interesting awesome as gently caress episode. BTW, so I don't have to risk LN spoilers by googling people, is it possible for the thread OP to add the cast to the OP with their original names/fantasy isekai names? Episode: A 15 year gap is definitely a surprise to me as the manga doesn't make that clear yet. I wonder if this episode is setting up a bait and switch. Who voices Demon Lord girl?
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Raenir Salazar posted:
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Raenir Salazar posted:
Sumire Uesaka
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Thanks!
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AlternateNu posted:Random thoughts/predictions/questions in no particular order: I believe the part where Wisdom is made on the spot said something about D being a high level admin.
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All the baiting that Kumoko is the Demon King would be more convincing if they didn't have different VAs. Why is the admin a Demon General? GM PCs are broken. And yet another question mark credit for Demon General Shiro/White.
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copy posted:Unless there was another terratect with a dragon egg that had its nest invaded by humans and had their dragon egg stolen, I think it's kind of explicit that the kumoko story is taking place 15 years prior to the classmates story, regardless of her reincarnation status I never take anything in anime (especially modern anime) at face value. Everything is a misdirect! 
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Who was the person the demon girl internally apologized too? Yamada, I think? Is that Shun's previous name? Does this show actually expect us to keep up with two different names for all of those generic fantasy people?
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cant cook creole bream posted:Who was the person the demon girl internally apologized too? Yamada, I think? Is that Shun's previous name? Does this show actually expect us to keep up with two different names for all of those generic fantasy people? Hence why I asked OP to update the OP  But I think its easier if you're watching it back to back or reading the LN to remember everyone. Also tbf I imagine if the names were like Smith, Heinreich, Jake, Cindy we'd have an easier time remembering! Get on it Xelkelvos 
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cant cook creole bream posted:Who was the person the demon girl internally apologized too? Yamada, I think? Is that Shun's previous name? Does this show actually expect us to keep up with two different names for all of those generic fantasy people? Correct, It's Shun's Japanese Name.
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Great episode. The isekai language sounds cool as hell. I did notice that the council scene went out of it's way to avoid showing certain characters, Merazophis in particular. cant cook creole bream posted:Who was the person the demon girl internally apologized too? Yamada, I think? Is that Shun's previous name? Does this show actually expect us to keep up with two different names for all of those generic fantasy people? Yeah, it's hard to keep track of names, especially when some characters have first and last names from each life, plus nicknames. Schlain Analeit was Yamada Shunsuke in his previous life, and his nickname is Shun in both lives. If you were paying attention this episode, then you noticed the Demon Lord went ahead and called him Yamada.
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Real good episode, glad I'm not the only one who needs a cheat sheet to keep all these past names and isekai names in line. that has to be such a lovely way to find out your brother died. "Your brother died, here's the hero title congrats!" Also I don't think I've seen any character throw out as many death flags as Julius did in that short amount time talking to Shun. As for the demon lord Definitely a fake out, if it's not that means Kumoko changed her voice from Aoi Yuuki and that's like super evil. The guy Kumoko met was talking about another girl before teleporting to Kumoko and I bet that's who ends up being the demon lord, maybe that's D?
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It's a little weird how they're handling the speaking conceit. In the light novel and manga, Kumoko and Fei couldn't speak human language, having monster vocal cords. Fei picked up telepathy to talk to her classmates, and Kumoko couldn't talk to the black knight guy at all until D read her mind. In the anime, Fei has been moving her mouth when she talks, but none of the non-isekai academy classmates (who think she has animal-level intelligence) around her react to her talking, so it seems like she is talking with telepathy and her mouth movements are a visual conceit, like Kumoko's more humanoid appearance. But could the black knight hear Kumoko? Was she speaking japanese or gutteral spider screeches? Edit: I saw a good character name cheatsheet elsewhere that I could repost. I just need to figure out if including or leaving out certain information would be less spoilery...
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I did notice that Fei pointedly didn't say anything at all around Hero-dude, even though there were a couple of parts in the conversation where it would seem natural for her to say something. As an ignorant anime watcher I assumed that maybe she was speaking verbally but could only be heard by the other reincarnated people, but if it was telepathy then I guess the mouth moving was just a visual conceit and maybe she just didn't feel comfortable talking to big brother dead meat or whatever. at least now I know why there is a shot of captain isekai holding a scarf and wailing mournfully in the opening. Bobulus posted:Was she speaking japanese or gutteral spider screeches? I'm going to go with "guttural spider screeches" because it's funnier and because it's very in keeping both with our protagonist and how she's being presented to us. This episode opened with a scene that among other things shows that Kumoko's appearance in the anime is not what she actually looks like, so it's a fairly natural follow-up to assume that when she tries to talk she does not actually sound like Aoi Yuki delivering Japanese in a madcap, stream-of-consciousness style.
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