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Red posted:What Avengers? Cap is, for all intents and purposes, gone. Iron Man is dead. Thor is probably off planet with GotG. Ant-Man is anti-authority. Black Widow is dead, Hawkeye is off the grid, and Falcon/Bucky will be updated shortly. Spider-Man is back to NYC, and was only connected via Happy/Iron Man. War Machine is basically a janitor (in that he just goes and cleans up Tony's/gov't's messes, and doesn't ask questions), and Captain Marvel is also off planet. (Whomever is the) Black Panther is in Wakanda and isn't really present. I think he meant stopping a government agency from taking their friend's corpse to do whatever with. Vision died in Infinity War, and Cap/Tony/Thor/Hulk/Widow had five years to find out what SWORD was trying to do and were either on board or didn't care enough to stop it.
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https://twitter.com/JennyENicholson/status/1367795732506234880 The finale was almost entirely underwhelming except for Scarlet Witch sparing Agatha's life.
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Mar 5, 2021 18:41
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Well that finale loving sucked. Show had some mildly interesting concepts, but the previous episode basically said gently caress that and then this episode they decided to just not care about the other interesting characters and it turned into C-tier marvel movie. I thought it was cooking up to something interesting around episodes 5-6, but yep, it was pretty boring.
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Mar 5, 2021 18:55
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Hobo Clown posted:I think he meant stopping a government agency from taking their friend's corpse to do whatever with. They were still taking Vision apart when Wanda came by a couple weeks after Endgame. It seems likely that Acting Director Heyward had only recently started messing around with him.
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Mar 5, 2021 18:55
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Shneak posted:https://twitter.com/JennyENicholson/status/1367795732506234880 Oh she could have double casted herself as wanda AND Vision with her robotic and emotionless acting.
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Mar 5, 2021 18:55
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Sanguinia posted:I don't really get people's anger about Wanda's "lack of comeuppance." She wiped out her own children and her true love to fix what she did wrong, and she's a hated outlaw living in exile now. How much punishment does she need? Do you really need to see her rotting in a jail cell to feel like justice has been done to the people she hurt? Does she really need to be ostracized by White Vision or dealt some other crippling emotional blow for her to "learn her lesson?" Does she need to die for having done this? The eye for an eye sentiments are pretty gross IMO. There's an interesting conversation you could have there, about what moral/legal consequences there would be for someone who commits what's effectively a brand-new crime, and/or for whom traditional legal punishments can't really be applied. But yeah, I thought the point there was reasonably straightforward, and I'm surprised to see that complaint this morning. There wasn't really anything she could say or do to make up for it, so she acknowledges her culpability, fixes the problem at great personal cost to herself, and leaves. That was the whole point of the exchange with Monica, that what Wanda did was understandable but not forgivable. Granted, they did just give themselves a dandy out the next time they need to come up with a supervillain on short notice. "I used to live in Westview" is now a handy source of grievance for any random schmoe who manages to find an old relic, alien gun, or origin story somewhere.
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Mar 5, 2021 18:57
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QuoProQuid posted:in the fourth episode, woo talks about how the fbi lost contact with its witness three weeks ago. there's a bunch of scenes from inside the hex in the background of SWORD's headquarters that we never see in full, which i think heavily implies that there's at least a few "episodes" between the wandavision episodes we see. No, the three weeks was a reference to Monica being back at the job after being de-Snapped ("It's been three weeks and you're the first to report."). Woo's witness went missing "this morning", i.e. the same day that the scene where he and Monica meet.
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Mar 5, 2021 18:59
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Andrew_1985 posted:My main gripe with the finale Agatha’s makeup. And Wanda should have apologized how, exactly? "Yeah, folks, about the whole enslaving you in my sitcom world, denying you your children and foisting my nightmares on you all. Um, super-duper sorry about that. Oops my bad." I was okay with how that ended. She hurt and violated these people horribly. There's nothing she can say or do to make any of it right or fix it. They just have to try to live with what she did to them and Wanda has to live with knowing that they have to live with what she did to them.
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Mar 5, 2021 19:02
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live with fruit posted:They were still taking Vision apart when Wanda came by a couple weeks after Endgame. It seems likely that Acting Director Heyward had only recently started messing around with him. Either that or the wheeled him back out for Wanda's benefit when he (correctly) guessed that she'd be somehow able to reboot him. Maria died two years into the Blip so Hayward has been in charge for a while.
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My Face When posted:Oh she could have double casted herself as wanda AND Vision with her robotic and emotionless acting. Mean Girls owns
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Mean Girls owns Mean Girls is worth it for this scene alone.
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The ending didn't quite nail it for me on all points, but solid overall. I would gladly watch WandaVision all over again to see the Easter eggs and plot points I missed. The show is a visual delight even if the plot is Swiss cheese. So what's next in the Marvel Televised Universe? I know Falcon and Winter Soldier is on deck, but Disney has to keep these subscribers hooked for another month or two until it's released.
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Mar 5, 2021 19:28
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So were the kids largely locked away for a plot reason I'm forgetting, or was it just a way the writers could make Wanda's actions less monstrous? (enslaving adults into her sitcom fantasy world but not their children) Really fun, mysterious show with kind of a meh last two episodes. Absolutely loved Vision destroying Other Vision with facts and logic. Absolutely hated the Evan Peters stunt casting fake-out, assuming some of the long game theories in this thread don't shake out.
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Mar 5, 2021 19:29
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Hobo Clown posted:I think he meant stopping a government agency from taking their friend's corpse to do whatever with. Everybody was emotionally destroyed, though; I can see no one thinking about the details.
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Mar 5, 2021 19:30
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animeluva1 posted:So what's next in the Marvel Televised Universe? I know Falcon and Winter Soldier is on deck, but Disney has to keep these subscribers hooked for another month or two until it's released. Loki. But it comes a month after F&WS ends, I believe (I also think it was mentioned that Star Wars the Bad Batch will be streaming in the month we don't get MCU stuff) So, I hope Loki is great because I love Hiddleston's Loki.
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Mar 5, 2021 19:43
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Have I got this right re Vision: 1. Vision is killed by Thanos 2. Wanda discovers Vision's body 3. Wanda creates 'Love' Vision 4. SWORD constructs White Vision from Vision's body 5. White Vision is powered on by remnant Wanda energy in missile. 5. Love Vision unlocks White Vision's memories = Vision is resurrected.
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Mar 5, 2021 19:49
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animeluva1 posted:I know Falcon and Winter Soldier is on deck, but Disney has to keep these subscribers hooked for another month or two until it's released. Falcon and Winter Soldier is the week after next I think. They seem to be planning on having something going on Disney + pretty much all the time.
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Pretty typical "Marvel is way better at setup than pay off" situation, I give the finale a 6/10. Very rushed, lot of CGI fights but not a lot of time to let things breath. Also this is the second time a large group of people have gotten screwed over for the sake of Wanda and Vision's love and the story tries to frame it as justified or at the very least sympathetic. Remember all those warriors from Wakanda who got sent to the slaughter to protect Vision because killing him would have been morally wrong, but it's okay to instead send waves and waves of people to die for him? I guess what I'm trying to say is: Wanda sucks. She willing enslaved people. But she's a protagonist in a Marvel movie so don't expect that to ever be addressed in any meaningful way. Much like Tony Stark her crimes just kind of don't count.
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animeluva1 posted:The ending didn't quite nail it for me on all points, but solid overall. I would gladly watch WandaVision all over again to see the Easter eggs and plot points I missed. The show is a visual delight even if the plot is Swiss cheese. F&WS comes out in two weeks. Desperado Bones posted:Loki. But it comes a month after F&WS ends, I believe (I also think it was mentioned that Star Wars the Bad Batch will be streaming in the month we don't get MCU stuff) Well, even if everything else about Loki is crap, you'll still have Hiddleston as Loki, so there's that.
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animeluva1 posted:So what's next in the Marvel Televised Universe? I know Falcon and Winter Soldier is on deck, but Disney has to keep these subscribers hooked for another month or two until it's released. I thought that Falcon and Winter Soldier debuts in two weeks? Xachariah fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Mar 5, 2021 |
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animeluva1 posted:So what's next in the Marvel Televised Universe? I know Falcon and Winter Soldier is on deck, but Disney has to keep these subscribers hooked for another month or two until it's released. Check the OP, I keep it updated.
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Everyone posted:Well, even if everything else about Loki is crap, you'll still have Hiddleston as Loki, so there's that. Yeah, I'll just ignore the bad writing and admire his face. I also don't think his character is gonna make it at the end of the show. Unless is another one tied to the movies.
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Raivin posted:or was it just a way the writers could make Wanda's actions less monstrous? (enslaving adults into her sitcom fantasy world but not their children) Locking young kids in their rooms to presumably watch through windows as their brainwashed parents act completely out of character and act like they don't exist is about the same level of monstrous, that poo poo would scar a kid I imagine.
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Jimmy: Well, why don't you call him Vision, and call the other one... Red Vision Ralph: Red Vision? That's stupid! I know he's red
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My pet theory for the double Wanda's at the end is that its just a logical extension of her powers to make others act according to a script throughout the whole show. She astral projects and studies magic, meanwhile her body takes care of itself according to the script she gives it, thus allowing her to study 24/7 with no need for rest in any way. I still don't get why so many people say they don't understand Hayward's motivation, when he spelled it out himself in a stupid evil speech. Laying it out tho: Vision signed the accords because they granted him Personhood, in all nations recognizing the accords (this was in civil war) We learn in episode 4 that vision specified that with his human rights he does not want to be brought back or used as a weapon. To violate that is to make the accords invalid. Hayward in this episode said by making it look like Wanda brought back the weapon-vision and not SWORD, SWORD could take it under their control without violating the international treaty that is the Accords. Which ultimately just means that he wanted the biggest gun and found a legal loophole to get it. Its not deep or rich or nuanced, it's guy who likes having power has a plan to get a whole lot of power. Remember that Vision alone kicked the rear end of Iron Man, Cap, and Thor in AoU. Getting a weapon of that grade is pretty huge. I think that motivation is better than 'he is secretly the devil' or 'he is a kree trying to start a war on earth' or whatever.
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Mar 5, 2021 20:11
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So if Pietro was just some guy, why did Wanda recognise him as Pietro?
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Thanks for the replies everyone. I got my timings and sequence of shows way off.
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The_Doctor posted:So if Pietro was just some guy, why did Wanda recognise him as Pietro? Doesn't he say he is her brother first? Also, something is definitely up with Pietro beyond being some guy. I don't think it ends with a straight troll. The obvious fake Boner last name, the headshot he has of himself, how he laughs at his own last name, and that Evan Peters would be locked out of being in the MCU for a cameo.
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Andrew Verse posted:No, the three weeks was a reference to Monica being back at the job after being de-Snapped ("It's been three weeks and you're the first to report."). Woo's witness went missing "this morning", i.e. the same day that the scene where he and Monica meet. Ah, my bad. Thanks.
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The_Doctor posted:So if Pietro was just some guy, why did Wanda recognise him as Pietro? re: Fake Pietro-- If you go back and watch the "Agatha All Along" clip, Agatha is influencing him when he shows up, and it takes Wanda a second to realize who he is/supposed to be. Once that happens, he gets "recast" by Wanda, gaining powers and certain memories that are specific to the two of them. Agnes alludes to that in the next-to-last episode when she mentions she couldn't work with the original Pietro's body, since it was dead as hell and well outside the Hex. Fake Pietro is basically an experiment she ran on Wanda as part of her attempts to figure out how Wanda was creating something like Westview in the first place.
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Wanderer posted:re: Fake Pietro-- I don't think this is right. Its pretty clear that Pietro was getting his powers from the necklace that Monica ripped off, because as soon as it was gone he was begging for mercy rather than Doing A Speed. He got his powers from Agatha 100%, the thing was glowing purple. What we don't know is the nature of that spell. My theory (biased by my hope for X-men) is that the necklace was acting as both as a control device for Agatha and a conduit for X-Men Verse Pietro to possess Mr. Boner. That gave him the speed powers, and why he laughs at his own name when he hears it: its not Peter's name, so he can have a giggle that its the name of the guy he's inhabiting
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Doesn't he say he is her brother first? after the fake-out, i'm not putting in any hope that there's still some secret regarding 'Boner'. it was a way for them to have pietro have some relevance in WV, which is all about wanda's grief that includes her loss of her brother, while also giving the audience a wink who recognize him from the x-men movies. i mean peters wouldn't really be locked out. i'm sure there are a lot of ways you can explain him actually showing up as the real quicksilver and still be completely unrelated to the dude that showed up in WV. hell they might not even have to explain it at all past a throwaway line mentioning that he looks a lot like a guy from westview.
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I love how Hex Vision won the fight with New Vision by having enough points in persuasion and winning a conversation skill check. good poo poo
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Paul Bettany saying that he finally gets to work with a special actor and that there are fireworks during their scene together and then that scene being with himself was by far my favorite part.
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The_Doctor posted:So if Pietro was just some guy, why did Wanda recognise him as Pietro? My guess is that the necklace which controlled him and gave him his superspeed also projected an illusion that was focused on Wanda that this was Pietro. However, since the illusion was focused on Wanda (perhaps to get through the magical/mental defenses that Agatha assumed she would have), everyone else just saw Ralph Bohner. And perhaps Ralph Bohner is a WitSec name for Peter "The Moxy" Maxim - an Anglified version of Peter Maximoff. Or maybe he was always Peter Maximoff and Maximoff is the Sokovian version of Smith or something. Basically Ralph is the MCU, non-powered counterpart to Quicksilver in the X-verse. Everyone fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Mar 5, 2021 |
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I can't buy into Wanda's consequences being the loss of her fake family. They didn't exist to start with and only existed at the expense of the suffering of others. If someone holds you hostage to live in your home, they aren't sacrificing anything to stop holding you hostage and give you your home back.
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The_Doctor posted:I noticed those because I’m familiar with them. They’re called vèvès, and they’re from voodoo. They act as a sort of representation/attraction point for the loa, spirits that play an important part in voodoo. Each loa has its own specific vèvè. swickles posted:In Agents of SHIELD the Darkhold corrupts those who read it, which is why they had an android read it, thinking it wouldn't corrupt her. So are we going to get a more villainous Scarlett Witch going forward?
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