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Shyrka posted:So like, I haven't seen Discovery or anything but apparently it's a thing in the 30th century all the dilithium in the universe explodes and so no one has warp drive anymore? But isn't the dilithium just used to stabilise the matter/anti-matter reaction that powers most warp drives, and Romulans have perfectly good warp drives powered by artificial singularities? The Romulan artificial singularity isn't just EU technobabble either its a major plot point that identifies Romulan ships in Face of the Enemy on TNG and Visionary on DS9.
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Disco already has an alternative means of transportation too... the "Courier Network" aka Slipstream Network. But it's full of garbage and wrecks because of The Burn, and apparently no one can clean it up?!? At least dredge the parts between major worlds ffs.
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Mar 5, 2021 18:11
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Remember a time when Nemesis was like the worst new Trek writing? Man. Good times.
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Mar 5, 2021 18:15
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Disco is really dumb, but I hate Picard more for ruining both the Federation and the Romulans.
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sunday at work posted:The Romulan artificial singularity isn't just EU technobabble either its a major plot point that identifies Romulan ships in Face of the Enemy on TNG and Visionary on DS9. Don't forget the episode where aliens were nesting in a romulan quantum singularity drive which caused time to slow down to a crawl right before the ships were destroyed.
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Burning_Monk posted:Disco already has an alternative means of transportation too... the "Courier Network" aka Slipstream Network. But it's full of garbage and wrecks because of The Burn, and apparently no one can clean it up?!? At least dredge the parts between major worlds ffs.
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Mar 5, 2021 19:04
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FlamingLiberal posted:That also doesn’t even matter because at one point the villain’s giant flagship flies through one unscathed Right! Also, isn't that literally what deflector dishes are for? To push away poo poo in front of you?
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Mar 5, 2021 19:08
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I seem to remember a Roddenberry memo from the time TNG was being developed when he said how hard they'd have to work to keep the solutions to each episode's problem smart and diplomatic, so the critics couldn't accuse them of turning Star Trek into "a thoughtless shoot-'em-up". Welp.
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Mar 5, 2021 20:10
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Payndz posted:I seem to remember a Roddenberry memo from the time TNG was being developed when he said how hard they'd have to work to keep the solutions to each episode's problem smart and diplomatic, so the critics couldn't accuse them of turning Star Trek into "a thoughtless shoot-'em-up". Roddenberry may have been a drugged up rear end in a top hat by that point but never let it be said he didn't at least have a couple good ideas Now that I've said that somebody is going to post the story about how he was fixated on the ferengi reproductive organs or the "majel's got a hell of an infection" story
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Hey, the dude got old and bitter. It happens to all of us, but even old and bitter roddenberry was also the guy that said that it shouldn't matter that picard was short or bald, cause in the future people wouldn't give a poo poo. The bitterness toward women... well that was mostly his own drat fault imho, cause that divorce, I mean it takes two.
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bull3964 posted:The dilithium didn't explode, but for a moment 100 years prior it became inert so any ship that had an active warp core at that moment had an unmoderated reaction which caused widespread core breaches. In the TOS era, ships had pretty limited supplies of dilithium aboard (q.v., "Elaan of Troyius" or "Mudd's Women"), so it's not like Discovery should have a lot to hand out. OTOH, didn't the TNG bible say that by the TNG era that dilithium was easily replicatable to avoid going to that hackneyed well? Or did the Burn or whatever corrupt existing warp engines? But what about new ones? I get the feeling I just asked more questions about the situation than the writers did. Sorry if I'm missing the point; I ducked out of Disco after Airaim got airlocked in S2
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Mar 5, 2021 21:41
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I'm watching DS9 now and I hate Bashir. Kira and Odo seem cool. Not sure how I feel about Dax and Quark. edit: I don't mean to live-post as I watch
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Mar 5, 2021 22:20
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Dax took a while to grow on me she always came off like she was so experienced that anyone else was kind of childish cause they didn't like the stuff she did. Later on she softens a bit and acts better imho. 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlcPyybyPlI
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Admiralty Flag posted:In the TOS era, ships had pretty limited supplies of dilithium aboard (q.v., "Elaan of Troyius" or "Mudd's Women"), so it's not like Discovery should have a lot to hand out. I think it blew up all the ships using it at that moment (which was pretty much every warp capable ship) and then everyone left wasn't willing to risk having their ships just detonate out of nowhere. Of course that doesn't explain why factions that will happily use slave labor or are willing to sacrifice for the greater society (Borg, Dominion's Vorta and Jem'Hadar, even Cardassians who are supremely loyal to the State) wouldn't step up and become the new masters of the galaxy, being willing to risk themselves. Or why the use of automated, uncrewed, ships wouldn't become the norm just in case things do blow up again. it's not like the Dilithium that was unmined blew up. And it's quite clear that there hadn't been another burn in a couple of hundred years, meaning entire generations had gone by with nothing to show for the fear. I think it's pretty unreasonable to think that people would still be terrified that their ship could just blow up out of nowhere. Nitrousoxide fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Mar 5, 2021 |
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a neat cape posted:I'm watching DS9 now and I hate Bashir. Kira and Odo seem cool. Not sure how I feel about Dax and Quark. Bashir gets massively better after the first season or two.
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They mentioned in show that even prior to the burn, dilithium was in short supply. The burn wiping out dilithium in active warp cores didn't help the situation. They didn't explain why it was in short supply prior to the burn.
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Admiralty Flag posted:OTOH, didn't the TNG bible say that by the TNG era that dilithium was easily replicatable to avoid going to that hackneyed well? I grabbed the whole page in case the rest was interesting to anyone, but the pertinent text is the third paragraph down: 
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Mar 5, 2021 22:57
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Instead of The Burn it should have been what those TNG Space Environmentalist predicted and all the warp driving around has worn space too thin and you can't use it anymore. Instead we get the Space Oil running dry but hey we fixed it now that we found a new well and this one won't blow up, we swear!
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Mar 5, 2021 22:58
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jeeves posted:Remember a time when Nemesis was like the worst new Trek writing? In the early drafts of Nemesis, the thalaron weapon chamber was right smack-dab on the bridge of the Scimitar. No one said a word about it until Rick Sternbach was finally allowed to read the script and he pointed out how utterly moronic that was, between there being a phaser fight on the bridge plus the collision. He basically said as written, it was like the world's biggest OSHA violation. In short, John Logan sucks always and forever.
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jeeves posted:Remember a time when Nemesis was like the worst new Trek writing? Nemesis is still the worst Star Trek ever.
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On paper the Disco season 3 premise is great: 'What happens when your post-scarcity society suddenly encounters an existential scarcity problem? Its like how DS9 asks 'what happens when a utopia has to go to war?' Its that in practise Disco fumbles it in every way imaginable.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Nemesis is still the worst Star Trek ever. I have heard Nemesis is what you watch when you want to be done watching Star Trek forever
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Nitrousoxide posted:I think it blew up all the ships using it at that moment (which was pretty much every warp capable ship) and then everyone left wasn't willing to risk having their ships just detonate out of nowhere. Pointing out plot holes in Discovery is basically like pointing out bad policy decisions of the Trump administration. About the Borg though, surely some final solution must have been found within those 600 years, because I have a super hard time seeing how they would be content with the alpha quadrant being unassimilated for hundreds of years. I understood that dilithium was just super scarce in the future, not that there was any particular risk to using it. And for some reason everyone forgot to recrystallize it, despite the inventor of recrystallization appearing in the previous season.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Nemesis is still the worst Star Trek ever. Honestly that episode of Voyager where Seven gets her nanoprobes jacked but it turns out she imagined it was probably worse than Nemesis
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a neat cape posted:The Trill confuse me they're the goauld but with better publicity
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I think when Chakotay said that their complement of 38 photon torpedoes was irreplaceable, he meant they had sentimental value.
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BonHair posted:Pointing out plot holes in Discovery is basically like pointing out bad policy decisions of the Trump administration. About the Borg though, surely some final solution must have been found within those 600 years, because I have a super hard time seeing how they would be content with the alpha quadrant being unassimilated for hundreds of years. 
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Nemesis is still the worst Star Trek ever. I held the same opinion until Picard rolled around. Sweet Jesus, that show is exceptionally terrible. I've watched it stone-cold sober, I've watched it high as gently caress, and I can find almost nothing redeeming about it. At least Nemesis had a decent-ish score and some solid effects work? I guess? Although the hilariously bad matte painting of Alaska at the wedding reception makes me laugh every time. Edit: Thinking of Bad Trek just reminded me of Burnham talking about how Georgiou was like a sister and a mother to her and how everyone said they were going to miss her and jesus tap dancing christ I'm mad all over again Timby fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Mar 5, 2021 |
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Picard the show made me like Picard the character less And I dressed up as him for Halloween as a kid
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Brawnfire posted:Picard the show made me like Picard the character less Same. And everything post-TNG, as Patrick Stewart gains more and more writing input, makes me think he doesn't really understand Picard as a character.
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Brawnfire posted:Picard the show made me like Picard the character less
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Lester Shy posted:Same. And everything post-TNG, as Patrick Stewart gains more and more writing input, makes me think he doesn't really understand Picard as a character. Just to point out the difference. To you, Picard is a beloved TV character from a show in your childhood. To Patrick Stewart, he's a paycheck.
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a neat cape posted:The Trill confuse me Tunicate posted:they're the goauld but with better publicity They all come from that one cave pool? So who the gently caress thought it was a good idea to swim in a glowing pool the first time, THEN decided to keep whatever swam up their rear end to see if it had any good benefits. As the first symbiote would have gently caress all memories on them, so you would just get urges to swim in the pool? Brawnfire posted:Picard the show made me like Picard the character less That wasn't Picard. It was fan wankery cosplay, just with some of the actors. Best part of Picard is when you realize all his running parts are cut in a way that it makes it look like he can keep up with others a third his age.
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happyhippy posted:
I got a good laugh out of them killing and then resurrecting Picard. But it wasn't to recast him as a younger actor so he could actually make the action he wanted to believable, you know maybe give Tom Hardy a call, it was just so that he didn't die but they kept him as he is, frail old man, who will even still die at the time he 'supposed to' (and don't even think about how that has hosed up implications). Like imagine actually being Picard and waking up after dying and you're still an old gently caress but also a robot and they didn't make you younger or give you your hair back.
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Brawnfire posted:Picard the show made me like Picard the character less I can relate. Star Trek was my first love, after Picardshow I don't care about anything happens in any version of that universe anymore. I still love the old stuff I loved before, but the thought of going back to that world or seeing any of those characters again leaves me feeling cold inside. So cold.
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I think the part where Patrick Stewart put a dune buggy on the enterprise only so he could go offroading told me as a kid all I needed to know about Patrick Stewart, he is a nice guy and a good actor, but he has never been and never will be Picard. Sadly, he has gained more clout as the years have gone on and Picard being the Silver Age Leader of Trek, has giving him way more input than he should have.
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The best way to come to terms with Star Trek Nemesis and Picard is just imagine that the Picard character is actually just Patrick Stewart somehow playing himself, ala Galaxy Quest. Because the character loving cratered the moment PStew got any sort of creative control.
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