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Zulily Zoetrope posted:If you want the cooperation of the Disfavored and/or the Earthshakers, (on the Disfavored/Rebel paths), this gets you that. Similarly, on the Chorus path, you have to interrupt the ritual. We're on the Anarchist path, which leaves these kinds of choices entirely to our whim, since the way you get on that path is by telling your allies to gently caress off. There's no real reason to let the ritual complete as an anarchist, outside of wanting a faction you dislike to suffer. To recruit the Stonestalkers as a rebel you have to recruit the Bronze Brotherhood
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:To recruit the Stonestalkers as a rebel you have to recruit the Bronze Brotherhood Well that's not even remotely worth it.
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Stroth posted:Well that's not even remotely worth it. Seriously, they're the worst.
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Power in this game clearly plays by Highlander rules so kill Cairn because there can be only one. 
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Honestly I don't get the Bronze Brotherhood hate. Helmet douche is awful yes, but his second-in-command is a sensible enough person to work with. Can you recruit them while still killing helmet douche?
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Well from what folks in the thread are saying killing Cairn does seem to be the better of the two options.
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:To recruit the Stonestalkers as a rebel you have to recruit the Bronze Brotherhood ...Why?
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do you wanna do even more combinatoric debugging the number of poo poo to debug grows as O(a^k) where a is cardinality of each choice and k is number of choices. literally take 1 choice out of the game and cut debug surface by 4x (realistically shits a dag)
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Well, the vote is pretty much decided. Will killing Cairn end the edict?
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Keldulas posted:Honestly I don't get the Bronze Brotherhood hate. Helmet douche is awful yes, but his second-in-command is a sensible enough person to work with. I think you have to? I believe what happens in the rebel route is you basically get a pledge of loyalty from her if you get rid of the idiot leader. I don't think there's any route where he lives.
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Live and let live. I suppose killing Cairn for fun and profit would be more fitting, but I think having a live (if currently immobile) Archon could prove useful for us in the future. Shame about the Earthshakers though. Those, those can go.
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Also GreatEvilKing, as a heads up for that pickaxe multiple choice path? If you chose either of the other options then through a series of bizarre events the factions and people you deal with become much more reasonable and much less poo poo. Crazy I know, but that's the truth!
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Vote Closed! We are finishing off poor Cairn and continuing our mad quest for power!
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Cleopatra Jones and the Breaking of the Game Last time on Tyranny, we had to decide whether to kill Cairn the Archon of Stone or leave him to be slowly drained away by his former followers. The thread near-universally decided to kill Cairn to get Cleopatra more evil power.  There are three of these staves in the area. We need to crack them all to break Cairn free.  Our reward for doing this is a cutscene where the energy stream disappears from the staff to Cairn.  This guy is bugged and doesn't attack us, even though we break this staff. He just keeps doing his little ritual animation, and I find it too hilarious to kill him. The Stonestalkers will get him anyway.  The guys in this corner put up a token resistance and die horribly.  Smashing the staff teleports the party over to Cairn.  With a final collapse...  Cairn's light fades from this world, and he is free from his follower's parasitic ways.  You should all recognize this animation by now.  We've broken another Edict! I didn't highlight this, but everyone in the area of the Edict had a -15 to all magical skills. It's gone now!    Everyone liked that! It's interesting to see Barik turn around and actually start subtly criticizing Kyros' decisions.  I don't think this warrants a summary - we broke the Edict, and everyone was pleased because it was ruining the land.  This maxed out our power bar. What do we use it for? You're just going to have to wait and find out!  There are six different fragments of Cairn. This sounds hardcore, but it's an accessory that increases one of the core stats by +2. We already have two actual artifacts in our accessory slot. I was going to complain about how much it sucked, but we can turn it into a pretty good artifact at our forge - a staff that boosts Wits by 2 and also lets us AoE petrify people. They really don't want late game to be any challenge at all, huh?  Now we can wander our merry way into the Spire.  You know the drill by now. Verse and Barik have some incidental conversation about how it might be full of traps, but I've never seen that happen in the actual Spire puzzle room.  More power!  : The Dawning Spire in Howling Rock gives you the impression of slow, inexorable movement, like a glacier of living stone. Unstoppable force moves at a pace that no eye could follow. The tower's very immobility is a pretense. : With a triumphant heave, you feel the will of the Spire stretch across the distance to link its power with Vendrien's Well.  : Another Spire added to your collection, which begs the question of how many strongholds one Fatebinder needs. I'll leave you to answer the hard questions. : Are you used to this rush? Because I don't know if I ever will be. We all feel it, right?TheGreatEvilKing summary posted:
 This Spire is going to be our Training Grounds for reasons you'll see shortly.  This guy is our personal trainer, and as you can see our reputation is getting a little out of control.  Anyway, Death-Leaper here is going to allow us to break the game in half.  Here are Cleopatra's skills before training.  We have 70 ranks trainable, and we're going to dump them all into Athletics. Why? Because of how the respec system works. Both Lore and Athletics are considered "Support" skills, so when we retrain Cleopatra with the help of Fatebinder Cespar we can dump all these unneeded Athletics points into our Lore skill instead.  We also gain five whole levels in the process, letting us pick up Cleopatra's last skill. Cleopatra's build is all around being a mage who explodes people with turbocharged critical hits, so we go all in on accuracy and crit damage while maxing her Wits for spell damage too. This particular ability works on spell kills and makes one fight in the future particularly hilarious and ironic.  I've kind of run out of talents, so I grab this. Why not? Cleopatra is going to be dumping extremely powerful AoE attacks on fools, and it will also goes great with rampage, so if we get into some kind of sustained boss fight where the boss summons waves of bad guys we can just keep on trucking. I'm sure there aren't any of those in our future, heh heh!  I grab this so I can grab the accuracy boost for fighting at range later, and then...we grab whatever. I don't even know what to grab after that, thread! The magic tree is surprisingly bad at actually providing boosts to magic!  Look at this thing. Look at it. We can now put the highest level strength sigil on our Focused Rain Fire spell, and we still have a ton of lore left over.  Reduce the cooldown by thirty seconds? Sure!  A frostfire icicle spike that bounces three times and has an accuracy boost? Why the hell not?  An AoE 5 second stun that bounces around to new targets and has a 21s cooldown? Sure!   Cleopatra is officially past the point of giving a gently caress, and the best part is we can probably get her Lore even higher if we keep pulling this kind of crap. We could probably go fight the final boss right now, and we have a full act of this game left to go!  On our way to Halfgate to go grab some loot I missed this random encounter kindly pops up. The kids are playing Bane, which makes us think that there are Bane in the area. We go to hunt them down.  Behold! The trash mobs return!  We just don't give a poo poo anymore. Sure, our party members are getting walloped because these guys have the level advantage, but Cleo has AoE blasts that whenever they kill something we get both a heal for the entire party (only 5%, but still, no cooldown!) and a +15 accuracy bonus for Cleopatra everytime she kills someone, which means a higher crit chance, which means MORE damage, which kills more people, which...  We also get a bunch of parry levels out of this, which we could turn right back around and dump back into Lore if we were so inclined. It really doesn't matter.   : So you found the Azure Shield. You're now the inheritor of one of the Tier's most prized relics. Assuming you remember half of what I've taught you, there should be few left in the Tiers that could best you in a duel.Remember, Bleden Mark is the assassin that Kyros sends to deal with rogue Archons. He absolutely despises false praise, so when he says this kind of stuff, he means it!   : [Raise your Shield.]Bring it!  It's not great action writing, I gotta say.  It's kind of amazing how the authors are unable to describe a supernaturally fast assassin attacking the protagonist with no more emotion than walking to the store. TheGreatEvilKing writes bad fiction posted:You walk, lumber, trot, and amble for several more blocks.  This really feels like it should have come up earlier in the game, as it gives us somewhat more of a reason to trust Bleden Mark. : Well, that was fun. But that's enough for now. We've other matters to discuss. Normally, we'd be hitting the endgame right about now, but the anarchist path is the only path that lets us visit all four Act II areas. Of course, the anarchist path doesn't have Tunon's trial. We are getting dangerously close to the end of the game, so think about which path you want to see on the second - and most likely last - playthough. Look, they announced a second Ash of Gods game, ok? I kind of want to LP that. : I know the Regents of Stalwart hoarded many relics - perhaps I should look in the Blade Grave.: A wise place to start your search. The bronze blade known as the Dauntless was the finest weapon in all of Stalwart. Though the blade was born for the battlefield and claimed many Disfavored lives, it's since gone missing - last seen during the spat at Sentinel Stand.: I will see to it that the Disfavored patrols are reduced or led astray so that you might travel through the Blade Grave. You would think Mark would know by now Cleopatra is going to pump him for information we can use to our advantage when we inevitably confront the Archons. : Wait, I have questions.: The Archon lets out a short sigh as the color returns to his image.: If I didn't know better, I'd think you're as dogged as me. : I want to know more about the other Archons.I feel like the player should be slapped for picking six, and we all know that Mark is not going to be honest with us about one.  : What do you think about the Voices of Nerat? : Where'd he come from?: He was some noble heir from some... swampy nowhere fiefdom that was next on Kyros' list of places to enslave. His family took up arms to defend their lands from Kyros. The Archon of what? Of course Kyros has an Archon of Misery working for her. There have been mentions of a bunch of other Archons we haven't seen - Lantry mentions Snakes in the DLC, Eb used to work for Occulted Jade, we've heard the tale of Pox and the Boar, oh, and of course all the Archons not named Sirin and Cairn whose sigils we use every day. Let's go back and ask Mark why Tunon hasn't just smoked Nerat's rear end, shall we? : He's clearly crooked, why hasn't Tunon ever sentence[sic] him to death and done us all a favor?Hell, he even admitted before Ashe and Cleo that he tortured and murdered Ashe's son just to piss him off. : Well up until recently, he always played by the rules that matter. Sure, he lets his soldiers do whatever to whomever, but he goes to great lengths to give Kyros little room to Edict him in the backside. That statement deserves some analysis. Remember, Nerat isn't some crappy pacifist who lets people alone as long as they pay taxes and loudly talk about how cool he is whenever he walks by, he's actively enslaving, torturing, and conscripting people into his trash army that works on the Zapp Branigan principle of exhausting his opponents' ammunition by sacrificing his own soldiers. Graven Ashe is worse. Now, Mark has his own agenda, and he doesn't start by laying everything out on the table, but he's kind of strongly hinted that he doesn't like the way the Kyrosian regime is run. Remember, Mark didn't become the Archon of Shadows by starting as a serial killer or a ninja or something, he was a soldier first, and he tried to kill Kyros before defecting. Graven Ashe resorts to straight up genocide if the local population gives him any trouble, and the rebels talk about "Disfavored labor camps". Unfortunately this is one of the flaws of Tyranny. The game has a lot of text that shows Graven Ashe as being a harsher master than Nerat while hiding behind a facade of honor and caring for his men, but we never actually see any Disfavored labor camps or slave roundups or anything. The Disfavored camp in Act 1 is a disciplined looking place while the Scarlet Chorus is running some kind of weird mad max fighting pit with crucified prisoners. We do see the Disfavored acting oppressively toward the locals - such as when they bully Sterling the merchant in Act 1 - but we never really see enough of Disfavored operations to make them seem like harsher masters. The game tells us this, but the closest we ever get to seeing it is when we're ordered to kill all the Stonestalkers on the Disfavored route. Tyranny makes it very clear Ashe's reputation as a competent, honorable, and merciful general is all a lie, but if you're not paying attention he seems a lot better than Nerat. That said, it's pretty clear Nerat has had the same epiphany we've had about the law - it's a garbage and hypocritical moral system, but as a weapon to destroy your enemies and cover your own rear end it's amazing! I'll have more to say on this in Act 3. Time to ask about Archons again! : What did you know of Cairn?: That name! The Archon of Stone still weighs heavily on my mind.At least it's not Martha. : I know that you finally ended him. The Edict of Stone was a slow, messy execution - and the Tiers are better off with the Edict put to rest. : Reminder of what?: I'm reminded that it should have been me that ended him.: What exactly was his crime?: Cairn became obsessed with the Tiers - the actual landmass of the Tiers - he didn't give a tinker's cuss about the people. But he... came to the conclusion that Kyros has not rightful claim to the Tiers. You don't need to know the Overlord as long as I have to know not to say such things.: Kyros is a rather patient ruler, all things considered - if that weren't the case, the Voices of Nerat would have been diced into chum ages ago. But insulting or belittling the Overlord is a quick path to learning all there is to know about being a corpse.So in the original playthrough, I avoided the second option as I thought it would piss off Mark. However, I went back and reloaded a save as I was writing this update because I was curious. Things that were never said on this playthrough, but are in the game. posted:
: I've a question on something else.: Maybe another time. You're too curious for your own good, kid.: With a nod, he fades into the darkness.TheGreatEvilKing summary posted:
Alright, there's a lot going on here. First with Cairn, next with Mark. Cairn is a study in contradictions. He's a big stone man who - if Mark is to be believed - became obsessed with the Tiers and then led the Beastmen in s slave rebellion because he didn't believe Kyros had any right to control the land. Rather than be killed, he was slowly tortured to death by his former followers who tried to drain his power to use on behalf of the oppressors. It's an interesting statement about legitimacy - the Earthshakers quite literally draw their power from Cairn, but Cairn is an avowed foe of Kyros. The Earthshakers profess loyalty to Kyros and Radix even announces his pride in serving as Graven Ashe's Iron Guard - right after declaring that Cairn is "MY Archon", and I'm not actually sure what he's supposed to represent. Is he a colonizer who's defected a la Dances With Wolves? A symbolic representation of the common people of the Tiers who first welcomed Kyros, then realized how bad the Empire really was? It's clear from his great stature and the Earthshakers that the Kyrosian Empire needs whatever ephemeral quality he provides - a foundation? - even as the Earthshakers fall under suspicion of treason. Cairn is able to trivially sweep away the Tidecasters during the Conquest, and if you end up going to the Stone Sea you have to sacrifice an entire army to hold him off while you read the Edict. Considering how quickly Cleo read the Edict in Act 1, Cairn is very powerful and even in death he shakes the Tiers. Earlier in the game posted:This works in Ashe's favor - as long as Ashe stands, he can protect the Earthshakers from the fallout and bind them more tightly to him as long as no one else is willing to risk the allegations of treason - but also exposes Ashe to these very same allegations. It's a dangerous tightrope, but that's the tale of being a Kyrosian Archon. Grab power where you can, because if you don't you'll get dragged down by some ambitious young upstart or your old enemies to curry Kyros' favor. Mark is different. I've been kind of waffling on my interpretation of him and his motives, but here he shows pretty clear loyalty to Kyros. Note his description of the word "fortunate" to describe Kyros having Edicts at her disposal to kill Cairn and his shame over failing to fulfill his duties as Kyros' blade. It's pretty clear that he doesn't empathize with Cairn so much as wish that he'd been able to kill the Archon himself - even his regrets about Cairn's slow death are phrased as concern for the people of the Tiers, not Cairn. Thus this serves as a reminder that we should be very careful about trusting Bleden Mark - he speaks directly with the Overlord, and we've had a few hints (from Fatebinder Myothis) that Kyros has a vested interest in setting us up as a tool to get rid of Graven Ashe and the Archons. He's not completely at peace with all of Kyros' methods, but we should be very careful about assuming where his loyalties lie.  With that, I'm going to kick off some sigil research at the Library and have another vote. Decisions Lie Before Us! Who are we taking to the Blade Grave? Barik is mandatory due to his history there, select two more from Lantry, Verse, Eb, Sirin,or Kills-in-Shadow.
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Let's take Verse and Sirin.
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I always read Mark as perfectly genuine in his dealings with you. He just wants another shitkicker of his own caliber, and if you decide to betray him once you're an equal, or Kyros orders him to bump you off, that's totally fine with him. Either he goes out on his own terms or he had a good time while it lasted. Bring Sirin and Kills-in-Shadow. Xarn posted:If you went with infirmary, you could've trained Lore straight up. Cleopatra Jones killed that trainer in Conquest Mode, when she read the Edict of Fire without warning the sages beforehand. She's not available. Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 11:48 on Mar 5, 2021 |
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Mar 5, 2021 11:45
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BisbyWorl posted:Let's take Verse and Sirin. This sounds good to me.
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Cairn, imo, is one of this game's biggest missed opportunities. Here we have a confirmed renegade Archon, predating the PC, and a man so powerful that armies and assassins couldn't stop him - it took an Edict to bring him down, and even that didn't actually finish the job. And the game... doesn't really do anything with him, as far as I know. Alive, he could have been a great rival or maybe mentor to a renegade PC, or an examination of how a fascist regime reacts to an enemy that brute force simply cannot put down. Dead, he could have been used to study how a fascist regime handles a threat that persists even after the man himself has been killed, or used to warn the PC that this is probably going to be how their own story ends - or at least how Kyros is likely to try to make the PC's story end. If there's a story path that does anything interesting with Cairn, I've never seen it.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Cleopatra Jones killed that trainer in Conquest Mode, when she read the Edict of Fire without warning the sages beforehand. She's not available. Really? I swear I checked and there was a different trainer. Don't mind me then.
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:Look, they announced a second Ash of Gods game, ok? I kind of want to LP that. Godspeed, you magnificent bastard. 
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Oh, hey, it's one of my most hated tropes ever, the training from hell that kills 80% of the class of promising young anything and leaves a few super elite survivors. Now, it can kinda make sense here because the young and promising are threats, but making them super elite doesn't sound right because you want them dead, just make them catch malaria in some loving swamp, but in the general case where it's supposed to be coherent and make sense and be a good practice it's still stupid for too many reasons for me to list, I hate it. It would make sense for a deliberately mean and unpleasant society to waste effort that way in some cases, and this is a mean and unpleasant society, but I'll argue that this isn't such a case, although we can look at all the stupid poo poo the Spartans did and go "those guys though" they also didn't have an 80% killrate succeed or die program going.
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If you want them dead but don't want it to look like you want them dead, culling 80% and pretending it's to cultivate a small elite force isn't the most wacky idea to me.
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Yeah, but there's the thing where we're supposed to buy, from the tooltip and the fact that a bigger show isn't made of it, that the training actually made the PC better instead of just miserable for a time. E: If it was for other characters it could be a throw away line, but for the PC, especially the PC rejecting the laws and strictures of the Kyrosian regime, not being able to think back on it and go "hey, you were trying to give me malaria back then, right?" probably means whoever wrote it expected us to take it at face value. SIGSEGV fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Mar 5, 2021 |
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The other thing to keep in mind is that the Kyrosian empire, despite what Tunon will tell you, is by no means a unified front but a little pile of factions. Tunon does not want to kill Fatebinders unless they break Kyros' laws. Bleden Mark does a ton of extrajudicial killings and has no regard for the laws (as evinced by his first order being 'grab as much forbidden knowledge as you can and casually gallivanting around the Oldwalls). Thus the training is a compromise that lets Mark kill problematic Fatebinder trainees in a totally legal way that doesn't offend Tunon. Our survival probably got us on the short list of sacrificable Fatebinders to carry the Edict of Execution.
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I vote Verse and Lantry cause it would be cool to get the Act 1 gang back together again.
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sunken fleet posted:I vote Verse and Lantry cause it would be cool to get the Act 1 gang back together again. I agree with this.
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The bit about the Chorus trying to preserve more civilians is why I went with them in my first run, but yeah, they tell you that a lot more than actually showing it in game.
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bewilderment posted:Graven Ashe resorts to straight up genocide if the local population gives him any trouble, and the rebels talk about "Disfavored labor camps". Ashe's plan if he gains control of the tiers is to enslave the population, work them to death, and distribute the now depopulated lands to his soldiers. Genocide isn't his plan B in case of rebellion, but plan A for when he is in charge. Lebensraum for the Northern people and all. As utterly repugnant as Nerat is, you can see why large portion of the Tiersmen side with him. A chance for the most cruel and sadistic is better than no chance at all.
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killsy and lantry I'm kind of surprised the power meter wasn't a doomsday meter to when kyros decides to stop faffing about with you and have you directly offed.
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:
Breaking my reading and messing up my last post bookmarks to highlight this passage. Chisel "I don't visit you in your brothel, slap the dick out of your mouth, and tell you how to be you." on my gravestone.
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Cleopatra Jones and the Chat With Barik Last time on Tyranny, we prepared to go to the Blade Grave and finish up Act 2. Today we're... not doing that. Now, I want to point out that despite the new update, the party vote is still open, so if you haven't voted, do so!  First things first: We're going to forge the piece of Cairn into a sweet staff that we're honestly out of weapon slots to use, but maybe Lantry would like it. Not pictured: selling a bunch of random crap to get the money to pay the Forge gang.  I could have sworn that this should proc Tunon's second trial - another Fatebinder - but apparently not. As this thwarted my plans for the update, we're going to talk to Barik instead.  We haven't actually talked a lot to Barik aside from his sidequest, which is I still maintain is the best part of the DLC.  : I'd like to know more about you.The man's been with us almost as long as Verse and has put his life on the line for us.  : Did you seek the trade of war, or did it find you?: Both, I suppose. I knew fighting was in my blood, and the Disfavored offered me a chance to take my skills to bring peace - otherwise I'd have wound up some brigand or an enforcer to a crooked merchant. Barik taps his scabbard, looking away in thought.Barik has, sadly, drunk far too deeply of the Graven Ashe kool-aid. : You think Ashe and his legion bring peace? That's cute, but it doesn't hold water from where I'm standing, big guy. I've seen them spill as much blood as any Chorus gang. This raises so many questions! Where are the Disfavored getting food? The standard in the Bronze Age is that you loot everything, because that's both how the army is paid and how you supply it. We're not close to a waterway, and no word has been made of Ashe buying food. Hell, the Disfavored treat the local merchants like poo poo. : [Say nothing.]: Enough of this. You're making us look foolish before the Fatebinder.: May I continue my story, or do you plan on interrupting again? Barik waits until Verse makes a rude, dismissive wave before continuing.: The Disfavored needed recruits in anticipation of the march south. They offered to care for my mother and brother as long as I stayed with the legion, which is a better guarantee than you'll find anywhere else. : Tell me about your name.: 'Barik' is a shortening of my Northern surname, which has been passed down through the generations since Graven Ashe assembled his army. I go by it because I wear it with pride. The proper form is Barikonen. : What's the story with your armor?I'm not sure why I asked this. Barik gave us the lowdown in our quest to get it off of him.  Oh, because we are gonna see just how deep the kool-aid goes. : What happened during the Edict of Storms?: When we heard that Kyros would proclaim the Edict, we rushed into the field to battle the forces of Stalwart. I was shoulder-to-shoulder with some of the legion's most decorated veterans, and my pride blinded me to the danger. We are going to need to talk about this. : Go on.: As we surrounded the citadel, I heard the opening peals of thunder - as did the scout I was busy trying to kill. Then the winds hit like an avalanche. Many of us begged Kyros for deliverance...what else were we to do?: The winds knocked the legs of our offensive out from under us. All the decorated soldiers I brought to the battle were swept up and dashed to pieces, their armor and bodies mixing with the dirt of a tornado that spun in maddening revolutions. : A piece of the citadel wall broke off and nearly crushed my skull. I only remember a few scattered moments from the storm, like the flying bits of bronze and iron cutting my flesh, the severed limbs of fallen soldiers tumbling through the air... Before we proceed, let's talk about what just happened. Graven Ashe is an incompetent fuckup throwing his troops away into an Edict he knows is coming to maybe rescue his daughter. This is not just me saying this, that is actual evidence of incompetence you can present to Tunon for the Archon investigation. As a result the Disfavored are critically weakened - losing "all the decorated soldiers" under Barik's command - and failing to achieve their nominal objective of rescuing Graven Ashe's daughter. Yet despite Barik's imprisonment in his own poo poo being entirely Kyros' and Ashe's fault, he's super deep in the kool-aid. Now, critical thinking isn't exactly Barik's strong suit, to be fair. His orders to accompany us come from a woman we killed personally killed, and he professes undying loyalty to the legion even though we've personally had him kill a ton of Disfavored, yet despite all this he's still here. I cannot help but wonder if he's secretly persona non grata in the Disfavored and they deliberately dumped him on Cleopatra to get rid of him. Yes, Erenyos mentions in the war tent that "Barik's band" is being prepared to attack Echocall Crossing, but then they immediately turn it around and give it to the idiot Bitter Quip has to deal with. There will be more to this as we go through the game. : What happened to Graven Ashe's daughter when the Edict hit? : How did you survive when everyone fell?: That is a mystery to me as well. Did Kyros hear my plea for mercy? Did this heap of scrap metal protect me, imprison me, punish me? He rubs the back of his helmet with his gauntleted hand - a pantomime of a gesture his armor prohibits.Your assignment, should you choose to accept it, is to find any instance in this game of Kyros being merciful. I'll wait.  : Looks like pretty solid protection.We can confirm he's stuck in there because we kinda did most of his sidequest.  : Do you handle your own repairs?: I try to keep the surface oiled to slow the spreading rust, and I bend the plates from time to time. But repairs? Maintenance? No. : Back to my questions about you. : As with all Disfavored, I assume you grew up in the Northern Empire?: That's right. I grew up in Battle's Rest, then trained at Fort Resolution before they marched me out to support the Second Cohort. I hope to spend my rusting years in Fretten Shore... unless of course I die in glorious battle, which would be preferable.: My mother is good with the soil, my father with rings. He spends his time away on one merchant's errand or another. Still, I'm lucky to say they're both alive. This is a direct reference to his habit of running off and impregnating foreign women and leaving his children like Verse behind. Back up the tree!  : Tell me about the Disfavored. : Feh, iron-clads. The massive Beastwoman hacks and spits at the ground.: Come. Tell Beastwoman all about lumbering prey that bleeds rivers but still defies death twice and three times from Beastwoman's killing-claws. : Have you fought in any notable battles?: I served in Stalwart for the better part of a year. Faced the enemy everywhere from Coral Run to Sentinel Stand. I lost count of the battles. Seems like we fought every other day. A sigh echoes in the cavern of his helm.: Some of our best victories took place there - fighting an enemy worthy of our iron. But we were not successful enough to please the Overlord... and the final intervention was harsh on us all. Barik takes in a deep breath, his arms folding as his posture stiffens. : Tell me about Graven Ashe.: Is oldest of iron-clads. Is fat alpha with gray fur. Yep? Laves pain away to protect pack.: Barik glares at Kill-in-Shadow. : How did he come to serve Kyros?: Before the uniting of the Northern Empire, Graven Ashe served as a warlord in the service of one of the local kings that defied Kyros' rule. Incredible as it may seem. Ashe stood against Kyros' rule.: Though his army was dismantled by Kyros' overwhelming numbers, Ashe's forces performed admirably. It was said that he and his troops claimed seventy-seven lives for each of their own.The "overwhelming numbers" part is a hint that Ashe was brought down by the Scarlet Chorus. We know this because Mark told us, but it's also amusing that the foundational myth of the Disfavored is about how they got their asses handed to them by Someone Definitely Not Our Archenemy The Scarlet Chorus. Weirdly the Disfavored version leaves out Ashe's legitimate greatest triumph - their killing of the Archon of War. I suspect Ashe and the rest of the Archons would prefer not to spread the idea that Archons can be killed. : Kyros took an interest in the military genius that bloodied his army. Graven Ashe was summoned to a conclave of Archons - and though he was sent in chains, he left as an Archon - having been granted a position of power in Kyros' great host of war.: Thus the Disfavored were born. All of us today trace our line back to those warriors that impressed Kyros with their will and tenacity. The only difference is now we fight on the winning side. We're taking the politically correct option. : He made the right choice to save his troops. Notice anyone who's missing from this calculus? What Barik Just Said posted:
Who was this king, and who were his people? Remember, the forces invading Graven Ashe's homeland weren't the Archon of Public Relations and the Archon of Being Really Nice, the opposition was Nerat and the monstrous hellhole known as the Scarlet Chorus. It is entirely plausible to me that a conscientious king would order his troops into battle to save his people from being anywhere near the Voices of Nerat, an insane man who tortured his own family and has his followers butcher each other for sport. Graven Ashe wants you to believe he's an honorable general who believes in loyalty and honor for his troops - but he betrayed the king he swore allegiance to and the people he swore to protect. Under any kind of feudal system that makes his word worthless. We know the people he swore to protect got screwed by Kyros because Sirin told us so. Earlier in the game posted:Now the myth is that Ashe's betrayal of his king and the people in it to the man who murdered his son is the mark of a caring man who wanted to preserve his soldiers. This is absolute nonsense, yet we keep seeing it over and over again. Ashe rushes his troops into avoidable situations where they'll take heavy losses - first directly into the Edict of Storms and then into the Matani river. More importantly, it's clear that Ashe is more interested in keeping up the appearance that he cares about his troops then actually caring about his troops. Notice how Ashe is in his own tent in Act 1, and he never seems to spend any time out and about talking or checking on his troops? Let's bring this back to Barik. Barik is a soldier who was fused into his own armor as a result of the Disfavored campaigns and the Edict of Storms, yet instead of going to Graven Ashe for help he comes to us and we get publicly smacked down by Tunon. Graven Ashe is an Archon who is the full beneficiary of Archon's Privilege, and his appeal would go a hell of a lot farther than ours. Yet instead of actually helping Barik, he just kind of sits in his tent and makes Erenyos interact with our companion instead. : What else do you know of his past? : As an Archon, what magic does he wield?: Ashe works his magic through us - his soldiers. When we do battle, Ashe seems to know the events even before our runners have given word. Most importantly though, he protects us. It's... a bit tricky to explain unless you've experienced it.: I can think of countless times I've been struck by a spear, or hit with an axe, and even run through with an arrow - and in each of those moments, the pain and injury just ceased to be. : How do you feel about Graven Ashe?: How do I feel about him? Archon Ashe is the bravest, warmest, most compassionate General who ever lived. He's a living icon of leadership and courage.: Barik tilts his head slightly to the side - as far as the suit's limited range of motion permits.Ah, yes, that noble Archon who hid in the back and made us do all the work at the Mountain Spire. That "icon of leadership and courage"?  Look at how low the standards are! This is like praising someone for managing to smoke crack without setting their house on fire. For bonus points the Vendrien Guard meet all of these criteria. Tarkis Arri doesn't kill for sport. She doesn't waste time issuing pointless commands, and the Vendrien Guard are a disciplined fighting force that is capable of conducting defensive operations and withstanding a siege. Earlier in the game posted:Can you imagine Graven Ashe doing anything like this? The Disfavored mythology presents surrendering to Kyros as some great sacrifice accepting defeat to spare his soldiers, but the sacrifice is that he gets to be a powerful Archon who doesn't have to obey the vast majority of the laws and is still allowed a private army to take slaves and steal poo poo. Pelox Florian - even though he had to be talked into it - is showing more leadership than Graven Ashe ever showed in his entire life. Even though he's a rich noble, he still led the men in hand to hand combat against Kyros' soldiers, wizards, and a Fatebinder trained by Bleden Mark himself. Ashe just hides like a coward in the back. One of the great tragedies of fascism is that it can call forth incredible loyalty and courage from its soldiers in the service of leaders who absolutely do not deserve it. : Back to my questions about the Disfavored. : What can you tell me of your time in the legion?: I joined the legion three years before the conquest of the Tiers began. Though handy with a few weapons, my size made me the perfect addition to a phalanx.: I've served with the Stone Shields ever since. Proud to say, I've stood front row, right corner in over a dozen battles. That has been my place ever since the Iron Marshal gave me the assignment. : What of the other Disfavored lieutenants? This is where things get weird. : Tell me of the one they call Iron Marshal.Earlier in the game posted:You might expect Barik to be upset that we kicked her off the tower to her death. You'd be wrong. : She takes it upon herself to train and harden our greener recruits. Not only that, she has a keen eye for talent and how to foster it for leadership.Why are we discussing her in the present tense when we kicked her off the ledge?  : What of Cairn's disciple, Radix?: An Earthshaker who swore service to Cairn a few years before the conquest. Since Cairn is gone, the cult now follows Radix. Unlike his Archon, at least he knows how to follow orders.What? You personally helped kill him. Why are you...forget it.  : I heard that Cairn was unpredictable, even by Archon standards. He would wander the lands in isolation, and many of the Earthshakers have patterned their studies off of his example. Guess you've got to be careful who you pick as your guiding standard.: To his credit, Radix seems to appreciate the honor of fighting alongside the Disfavored - Cairn was always peeved to be invited in the glory. : What of the scout master, Maric?: Maric is a devoted leader, and Ashe seems to hold his counsel in high regard. Both set their troops ahead of themselves, which I'm sure is why they work so well together.Uh huh.  My guess is that he's a developing Archon too. Who knows? He never appears on any route save the Disfavored, so who cares? : What of the veteran warrior, Varimas?: He is the finest of us, second only to Ashe! Varimas is an Evocatus - a soldier who lived to see the end of his term of service. It's rare for anyone to survive that long, much less willingly return. : Back to my questions about the Disfavored. : Why didn't the legion prevent the uprising of Vendrien's Well? Right, of course. Dammit. : I would say the Vendrien Guard are really the only guilty party - it was their rebellion, after all. Goddammit Barik! Stop with the White Man's Burden bullshit! The Disfavored got completely stalled until Cleopatra went and did all the work herself. : What more can you tell me of the legion?: The Disfavored accept only the finest warriors. We are all volunteers and soldiers by trade - not farmers and fishmongers pressed into service. : What if a capable Tiersman wished to join? It is hilariously ironic that Barik uses the word "fealty" here, while he admitted that Graven Ashe stomped all over his for the chance at free power and slaves. This entire setup is also the triumph of Kyros. How many people are there who can feasibly claim descent from the people who stood with Graven Ashe? How many family lines are ended by throwing the Disfavored into combat? This myth is absolutely amazing for Kyros, as every Disfavored lost is extremely difficult to replace, and the best part is that Graven Ashe's power base is so tied up in this myth he can't adapt and start training Tiersmen troops to Disfavored quality without his soldiers deserting and his power being broken. : So why is the legion called the Disfavored?  : What was the legion originally called? I would bet real money that the old name of the legion was tied to the kingdom it was to defend, and amusingly, the army is named something so contemptuous as a sign of just how subjugated they were. Yes, Graven Ashe resisted Kyros and was a military genius, but Kyros eventually won and restored Ashe to his rightful place as a vassal. It never seems to cross Barik's mind that the name "Disfavored" is an insult or that Kyros views the entire legion as worthless and disposable. After all, the Disfavored got hit by both the Edict of Storms AND the Edict of Execution! That's more Edicts than most of Kyros' enemies get! : Let's speak of something else.Back up the tree!  : I have some questions about the Scarlet Chorus.: The allies that were supposed to help us conquer the Tiers? Common criminals, every last one of them. : What do you know of the Voices of Nerat?: The Archon of Secrets? All I know are rumors, hearsay, speculation, but that's as much as anyone knows of the Voices.: Some accounts tell that he's actually dead, and the Overlord has trapped the minds of his foes in the same body to torture them all. As likely an explanation as any I've heard. : Do you know anything of his powers?: I'm no scholar of sorcery, but as I understand it, the Voices of Nerat is a thief of minds. They say he can swipe your thoughts and make them his own. : Do you think him disloyal? He's not wrong! We saw Nerat send the Disfavored into an obvious trap, but I suspect if we asked Barik for proof we would get some variant of "Green flame man bad". : I heard his tears can turn cheese into milk. : What do you know of his associate, the Archon Sirin?She's right there. : Sirin is the Archon of Song, and one of the youngest of her rank. She can influence human emotion with her voice alone. The Voices may be the conductor of the Chorus, but I'd argue Sirin is their greatest asset.She quit, my guy. She's right over there.  Back up the tree! : What can you tell me of their troops and tactics? : What do you know of their warriors?: Most Chorus rats are untrained peasants handed a knife or a pitchfork. It doesn't take much to qualify you for the front lines. One only needs a beating heart, and even then the Chorus could make do.Come to think of it, it really doesn't speak well of Nerat either that after encountering serious opposition from Ashe's heavy infantry he continued his garbage human wave tactics. It works for controlling the Chorus, true, but as an offensive army they're still trash. : Of course, not everyone in the Chorus is an infirm child or sickly old crone - some ex-soldiers and madmen join, and the fighting elite of the Chorus form a clique known as the Scarlet Furies. : What sort of magic does the Chorus use?We know, but I'm curious to see Barik's take. : The Blood Chanters are the mages who follow the Voices of Nerat. Like the Chorus itself, their order is not stepped in tradition and antiquity - rather, built on knowledge stolen from other guilds.: The elders of the Blood Chanters are traitors from the School of Wild Wrath. As fickle and dangerous as the fire they worshiped, they were outlawed by every Realm and hated by most sane folk.I don't think we ever learned that the Wild Wrath school were a bunch of crazy pyromaniacs everyone hated, but that is exactly what Nerat would love. : So when the Voices of Nerat offered them an alliance, many of the Wrath mages accepted the offer to set fire to the Tiers.How the hell did this army fight before it had Blood - you know what, the more I think about the Chorus, the less sense everything makes.  : If the Chorus is a mob, how is it led and supplied?: The Voices of Nerat gives orders to his elite commanders, who in turn send instructions out to the gang captains. But beneath that hierarchy, it is chaos.: Whole gangs will break from the larger force and disperse back into their homelands. The Chorus is inefficient beyond words, and yet more bodies keep coming in to replace those lost in the mess.: Inefficient? Every weakling lost in the shuffle is one less burden to those in the Choir still dancing to the song of battle. Our ways must be harsh, otherwise the stupid and the soft will inherit the chant.It's a hilariously bad policy (which has its roots in historical social Darwinism) and it has the hilariously simply response that a strong person only needs to have one bad day and their skills are lost to the Chorus forever. Did your mage blow up a bunch of guys only to get backstabbed for leadership of the gang when he's exhausted? Congratulations, you just lost a powerful mage that you will never get back! I'm also unclear why the stupid aren't supposed to be in this army if standard combat doctrine is to charge at the Roman Legions with only a butter knife, but again, I don't make the rules, I merely make fun of them. : The Chorus has a lot of mouths to feed, so the conscripts that can't or won't fight are made to gather food and water - else, I'm told, they're fed to the pigs... becoming food and water, in a sense. Barik shrugs. It is kind of nitpicky, but how are the Disfavored getting food? Historical armies relied on foraging and confiscating crops. Caesar's Commentaries on the Civil War posted:Pompey, being cut off from Dyrrachium, as he was unable to effect his purpose, took a new resolution, and entrenched himself strongly on a rising ground, which is called Petra, where ships of a small size can come in, and be sheltered from some winds. Here he ordered a part of his men-of-war to attend him, and corn and provisions to be brought from Asia, and from all the countries of which he kept possession. Caesar, imagining that the war would be protracted to too great a length, and despairing of his convoys from Italy, because all the coasts were guarded with great diligence by Pompey's adherents; and because his own fleets, which he had built during the winter, in Sicily, Gaul, and Italy, were detained; sent Lucius Canuleius into Epirus to procure corn; and because these countries were too remote, he fixed granaries in certain places, and regulated the carriage of the corn for the neighbouring states. He likewise gave directions that search should be made for whatever corn was in Lissus, the country of the Parthini, and all the places of strength. The quantity was very small, both from the nature of the land (for the country is rough and mountainous, and the people commonly import what grain they use); and because Pompey had foreseen what would happen, and some days before had plundered the Parthini, and having ravaged and dug up their houses, carried off all the corn, which he collected by means of his horse. Both Caesar and Pompey are commanding Roman legions, and those men are plundering and foraging for food! This is with naval resupply! I have no idea how the hell Graven Ashe is getting food for all the Disfavored without plundering and foraging - is he using some magic never before discussed? You can't really transport food overland, because the people and animals transporting the food eat it in transit. I bring this up because Barik criticizing the Chorus for...doing what historical professional armies did to find food is incredibly bizarre, and makes no sense as a rhetorical device to portray the Chorus as inept and incompetent. If anything, the Chorus having dedicated logistical units while the Disfavored don't is a point in the Chorus' favor. : How do you think the Scarlet Chorus convinced so many Tiersmen to join?: It began with Sirin - she had a song that got whole villages marching to her will. And once the peasants killed their neighbors or cousins in service of the Voices, it either hardened them into warriors or broke their mind for servitude.: Lots of criminals and drifters joined the Chorus, too. It seems like the scum of the Tiers just needs promise of glory and sanctioned debauchery to turn on their neighbors.: It's not pretty, and it shouldn't be. The Chorus is a forge - all the dirt of the Tiers goes in, and the finest bits are refined into weapons.: There are many that join the Scarlet Chorus because they wish to join the winning side. It's a shame that such patriots were not born to proper Northern stock - too weak or too slight to be Disfavored.Barik, it's my job to make fun of your lovely racism, and I can't do that when you self-own that hard.  : The Disfavored turn away all people of the Tiers? That seems selective to the point of foolishness. Special plead. Back up the tree! : What can you tell me of the Tiers? : What is your assessment of the local forces?: There was a time early in the war when I would have feared the Younger Realms working together. Imagine that? He chuckles. We're probably going to get useless information on the people we've met, but we are going to encounter the Unbroken next chapter. : Tell me about the Unbroken.: The Unbroken Union of Stalwart. May they rot in the decrepitude of their fallen realm. Barik squeezes his gauntlet into a hard fist.: Much as it pains me to admit it, in all the realms of the Tiers, the Unbroken have been the only foe worthy to meet the Disfavored in battle.But they're not Northerners, so instead of trying to recruit these experienced and battle hardened troops, the Disfavored let them all go over to Nerat because they're morons.  This is going to become hilarious in light of future events.  Back up the tree! : What do you know of the Younger Realms?: Before we marched on the Bastard Tier, I recall Graven Ashe giving us a speech as we stood assembled at Fort Resolution. He told us that the Younger Realms lacked the sense to make a stand against us. It's funny, because the picture he's painting is of an army who was literally handed the keys to the kiddy pool and hosed it up so badly that Kyros had to step in to hit the Edict button, and then they still managed to march into the Edict and lose a ton of soldiers. It's like a Christmas miracle without Christmas! : It didn't help that they're afraid of magic, and relied on their battlefield prowess to stage a defense. : What do you know of the Beastmen?I'm sorry, thread, we're about to get dumb racist poo poo. : They drilled us on Beastman combat before the invasion, but it did little to prepare us. The local savages are lacking in brains, hygiene, and the ability to arm themselves - yet the prime hunters of their species are formidable.Barik, you will not shut up about how superior training will always win out whenever we talk to the Stonestalkers. : Aside from being rapacious killers, the Beastmen make good haulers and laborers - once you've killed the half that won't follow orders. Back up the tree! : You seem like a more than capable fighter.: Is true. Packmate has survived many more killing-blows than other iron-clads Beastwoman has slaughtered. Makes Beastwoman's blood beat quick-quick. Makes for best hunt. Yep.: Packmate should show skills to Alpha and Kills-in-Shadow.That is literally the nicest thing she's ever said about Barik. : Through the dark slit of his helmet, you get the impression of Barik rolling his eyes. He clears his throat and continues.: I trained with the spear and shield in my youth, but gave it up the day I earned Disfavored iron. I can still throw with some accuracy, but it's a challenge these days. He knocks twice on his helmet.The Disfavored fight in a phalanx. A phalanx is a spear formation. You know what, screw it, clearly nobody did the research on Bronze Age soldiers.  : I heard rumor that Ashe has an unbeatable swordfighting technique.Ashe fights with a mace. We saw him at the war tent. : [Barik Loyalty 2] You flatter the legion's reputation, but the Archon does make sure we are competent swordsmen. Observe.  Now, back up the tree! : [To Barik and Verse] Have either of you noticed that you fight particularly well together?: The thought has crossed my mind from time to time. During the many battles of the conquest, we found ourselves standing back to back with enemies on all sides on more than one occasion. : Do you think this is because of your shared heritage?: If you want to attach some arcane meaning to the whole thing, be my guest. I couldn't tell you for sure. I doubt that a capable tactician could explain why certain soldiers learn to rely on each other. It's kind of amazing how every fact Barik says flies completely in the face of his core beliefs. : How do you think this is possible?: I would suggest that our fighting styles complement each other, but they do not. I would suggest that we get along, but we do not. We don't even finish each other's -  : I want you two to train together.: Absolutely not. Our fighting styles are incompatible, and any Disfavored lieutenant will tell you not to join at the hip soldiers who can't stomach each other. : [Subterfuge 69] [Bluff] If neither of you is up to the challenge, then I won't force the matter. : [Verse Loyalty 4] Now now, let's not be too hasty here... I say we look at this as an opportunity in disguise. Barik, what of your longing for glory and renown? All across the Tiers, people will know us by our carnage.: I would rather be known for my fair execution of Graven Ashe's will, but I am not above engaging my.. baser instincts. I will make the attempt if it means spilling the enemy's blood more efficiently.: Sounds like we're of one mind. Well, drat it, Fatebinder, but you got us to agree on something. Maybe there's hope for the fight yet. Barik, shall we begin? This teaches them a combo! TheGreatEvilKing summary posted:
We can sum up this conversation in four words: Barik is always wrong. You can see the discrepancies as a neutral observer reading what he says - Graven Ashe is a military genius, Graven Ashe was defeated by the Scarlet Chorus. Graven Ashe is a paragon of loyalty and courage, Graven Ashe betrayed his king and country by defecting to Kyros for power. Disfavored troops are the most well trained in the land and nothing can approximate the fellowship based on what people who had sex generations ago went through, Barik and Verse can reach new pinnacles of cohesion tighter than any Disfavored phalanx. The Tiersmen are stupid idiots who can't fight, the Unbroken are capable of meeting the Disfavored in open battle. Graven Ashe cares about his troops, Graven Ashe ordered his elite forces into an Edict he knew was coming. Kyros admires the Disfavored's courage and tenacity, Kyros renamed them the Disfavored and won't allow their old name spoken. Idiots on Reddit like to talk about how the Disfavored aren't just fascists because they have their own lore and traditions (nevermind that Eco defines fascism as the cult of tradtion!) but the lore and traditions make the Disfavored out to be classic fascists per Eco- the cult of tradition, the emphasis on blood and soil, the fact that it all falls apart under the slightest criticism, the glorification of death seeking, life as permanent warfare - it's all there! Anyway, the party vote is still open! Choose wisely! TheGreatEvilKing fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Mar 7, 2021 |
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phalanx combat is really really hard to represent in tactical combat for underlying technical reasons and they didnt represent it in tyranny for the same reason they dont represent it in other games: gotta rewirte big portions of the engine to do it. maybe in some certain rts's its of great notice that basicaly the one thing that undergirds all fascists is a certain inflexible attitude towards assignment of credit and blame. its the underlying inflexibility that leads them to both scapegoating the jews or the blacks or whatever and idolatry and just as like 90% of all fascists throughout history have blamed the jews for everything, a ridiculous proportion of fascists idolize the same cultures, the same events, etc. so that 300 sparta movie was the first movie of the post-2001 anerican fascism
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:
Wrong portrait I think. TheGreatEvilKing posted:
Is this typo yours or game's?
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If Ashe can heal stab wounds and magic blasts surely a little bit of 24/7 malnutrition damage is easy to fix. 
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bob dobbs is dead posted:phalanx combat is really really hard to represent in tactical combat for underlying technical reasons and they didnt represent it in tyranny for the same reason they dont represent it in other games: gotta rewirte big portions of the engine to do it. maybe in some certain rts's just a quick note, adding to this: phalanx combat is terribly boring to represent (personal opinion here) and phalanx tactics are also incredibly bad on mountainous terrain, something the Romans found out at terrible expense fighting the Samnites, and which resulted in them figuring out alternative ways of organizing their units more flexibly (namely, the maniple) so as to not get their asses kicked. So this opens up another amusing image to complement what TGEK is saying, in that the great military genius Graven Ashe keeps sending the notoriously inflexible, bad-on-the-mountains phalanxes to fight a war on a territory comprised almost exclusively of mountains like the Tiers, and gets his rear end kicked by armies who have defender's advantage and also have figured out how to fight well on mountainous terrain.
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