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Jerry Manderbilt posted:that was some pretty amusing story choreographing near the end of the game though with her and lila and empel I noticed that, too. When I went to visit Starchild to find that she wasn't there, I went, "How convenient."
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I just started Atelier Escha & Logy and just finished the first major assignment, as well as the minor ones on the board - had about 20 days left. The game gave me the option to do my final report early, but I wasn't sure if it would just waste those days, or just give me extra time on the new batch. If I get the next set done early, is there any benefit to doing the final report, or should I use the time to grind out recipes and requests and the like?
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Mar 5, 2021 16:56
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:I just started Atelier Escha & Logy and just finished the first major assignment, as well as the minor ones on the board - had about 20 days left. The game gave me the option to do my final report early, but I wasn't sure if it would just waste those days, or just give me extra time on the new batch. If I recall correctly, on a first playthrough there's no benefit to submitting a report early. If anything it's harmful as it skips to the end of the month and you lose those free days. It seems a pointless feature until you're in new game plus and already have access to all the recipes and material's from your previous run. Let's you advance to the endgame faster.
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Mar 5, 2021 17:35
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Thanks, that’s kinda what I hoped. I rushed a lot in Ayesha because I couldn’t gauge my progress based on the three year window. 4 month chunks should be a lot nicer, especially if I can use free time like that when I complete the main objective.
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Mar 5, 2021 17:44
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cheetah7071 posted:They probably started work on it the day after the ryza 2 DLC went gold. I think this is just interview speak for "stop asking us about games we haven't even announced yet" Production wise it probably started before Ryza 2 even released. You are going to have people start drawing concept art/ character models etc since those are closer at the start of the development pipeline than the actual programming and playtesting. Atelier has been yearly series now for a long while.
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Mar 5, 2021 17:55
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Thanks, that’s kinda what I hoped. I rushed a lot in Ayesha because I couldn’t gauge my progress based on the three year window. 4 month chunks should be a lot nicer, especially if I can use free time like that when I complete the main objective. you are going to have a lot of free time by the end of the game
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Mar 5, 2021 19:01
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ryza 2's cast was aggressively devoid of personality, it was kind of annoying tao is bookish nerd, lent is aloof dude who goes from glump to yea i'm a heroic dude back and forth, patty is the b-plot for a disney princess, serri could use a cup of coffee i actually like clifford of the new crew, but that's mostly because the dude had energy and actually felt like he had a quantified purpose to the adventuring group that otherwise only ryza and tao had
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Mar 5, 2021 19:31
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Gamerofthegame posted:
Clifford also has the best theme song.
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Mar 5, 2021 21:29
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I actually felt like the exact opposite, like Clifford was the least integrated character. I was constantly double taking when he had lines in group scenes because he was so irrelevant
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Mar 5, 2021 21:30
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Clifford felt super out of place to me, like a random weirdo who invited himself to hang out with no connection to anyone or anything else.
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Mar 6, 2021 01:26
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Waci posted:Clifford felt super out of place to me, like a random weirdo who invited himself to hang out with no connection to anyone or anything else. To be honest, that feels like about 1/3 the supporting cast in nearly every Atelier game. REMEMBER MUPPY?
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Mar 6, 2021 16:02
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Feel like pure shite, just want him back
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Mar 6, 2021 16:10
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akkristor posted:To be honest, that feels like about 1/3 the supporting cast in nearly every Atelier game. I don't think anyone used Muppy in their team
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Mar 6, 2021 16:19
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akkristor posted:REMEMBER MUPPY? .... I legitimately did not.
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:I just started Atelier Escha & Logy and just finished the first major assignment, as well as the minor ones on the board - had about 20 days left. The game gave me the option to do my final report early, but I wasn't sure if it would just waste those days, or just give me extra time on the new batch. If you submit the final report early, in your first run you can carry over 14 days, so you start your next assignment with 134 days instead of 120. It’s somewhat helpful nearer to the endgame if you want to fit in some extra crafting/grinding.
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Mar 6, 2021 18:17
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I ended up falling off my first playthrough of Escha & Logy almost exactly a year ago even though I was having fun with it, and now I'm trying to decide if I want to pick up my playthrough in year 3 and try to remember what was going on and how to do things or just start over  I was planning on playing through again as Logy once I finished my Escha playthrough if nothing else
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Mar 11, 2021 21:32
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Tired Moritz posted:I don't think anyone used Muppy in their team Muppy was the alien thing from Mana Khemia, right? It’s been like eight years but he had some useful property or other so I think I did...
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Mar 12, 2021 02:41
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I thought Muppy was funny.
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Mar 12, 2021 03:12
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if it's year 3 of eschatology you still have yet to finish the airship, right there will be a shitload of downtime after the end of the actual plot
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Mar 12, 2021 03:16
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I just got Ryza 1 and just built a new hideout and am now trying to impress the merchant Am I close to unlocking new areas or am I stuck with the starter areas for a long time 
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Mar 12, 2021 20:43
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:if it's year 3 of eschatology you still have yet to finish the airship, right Yeah I haven't finished the airship quite yet I'll probably just power through because I do remember pretty much what was going on, I just need to remember how crafting works. Out of curiosity, how much is different depending on which character you play as? My first playthrough is Escha's side and I'm gonna do NG+ for Logy once I finish this run.
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Mar 12, 2021 20:46
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Harrow posted:Yeah I haven't finished the airship quite yet I think every time you get a scene where Escha is present but Logy isn't, there's a corresponding scene with only Logy. So it's mostly some character stuff, not any major plotlines.
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Mar 12, 2021 20:48
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Cool, I figured it'd be pretty minor differences. No idea why I didn't finish this playthrough a year ago, I like this game a lot
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Mar 12, 2021 20:50
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Deki posted:I just got Ryza 1 and just built a new hideout and am now trying to impress the merchant I'm trying to remember that far back, but you should be unlocking the main roads inland pretty soon. And from there a bunch more zones will branch off.
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Mar 12, 2021 20:56
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From what I've heard (not having played Logy side myself), the biggest thing is that Logy puts on his good-boy face with Escha and is a lot ruder when he's solo.
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Mar 12, 2021 20:57
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the logy exclusive scenes i remember most is micie getting a bit too up and personal in his face about his relocation to colseit before logy tells him to gently caress off, and micie going to him (fruitlessly) for advice on wooing katla, and also logy walking in on grumman sr. trying (again fruitlessly) to have a father-son date with solle after work
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Mar 12, 2021 21:35
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How much different is Ryza 2 from 1 gameplay-wise? I'm enjoying the gameplay and crafting in my current playthrough of Ryza 1, but the story is just kind of alright and I'm attached to very few of the characters. I 'm trying to decide if I want to buy the sequel after I beat the first one.
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Mar 13, 2021 18:29
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The gameplay is pretty much more of the same, but improved. At the very least there are a good number of battle system changes that spruce things up, and the alchemy system got its requisite tweaks. They added another gameplay loop while doing the dungeon content. You'll be spending a decent amount of time scouring the dungeons for clues, and then filling in madlibs style stories with the clues you find to unlock progress.
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I read the OP and I'm still not sure where to start, some of the sequels and stuff have tight time limits, and I probably wont' be trying to 100% stuff outside of whatever my favorite people are, but Time limits tend to ruin games for me and I like them less, unless they're really generous like the ones in Persona 5 or Three Houses where you get enough time to do everything and then some, and if you miss content you can make up for it later. I was thinking about starting with Atelier Lydie and Suelle for my first entry to the series, but how much am I missing out on, playing the last game in a trilogy? I also thought Rorona sounded cool, but having a tight frame to 100% it is somewhat concerning, especially when I don't know what content I'd want to chase after in game until it feels like it might be too late. Would you recommend one between the two? Or would there be a better entry point in the series?
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I started with Ryza 1, and then moved to Ayesha. Ayesha has a time limit and little direction as far to how your time management's going, but it turns out it's quite generous if you're not going for 100%. Still felt the stress of it hanging over my head though, and I couldn't gauge my progress. Maxing out my few favourites first time through was easy enough though and it's a game I can easily recommend. From there, Escha & Logy has a very nice time limit, and each of your objectives has a solid deadline. It's also very generous and I've had trouble actually using up my time during certain sections. And then in the last year you can go back and return to optional tasks you missed. I'm not quite finished this one and I'm generally anti time limit, but it's been very comfortable. Unfortunately I can't really comment on the others as I haven't gotten to them yet.
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If you're at all nervous about a time limit, start with Lydie and Suelle imo. It's not even like you're playing a worse game in exchange. You're playing one of the best. And Mysterious is also probably the trilogy with the least connection between games. You really aren't missing much by skipping to the third one in that series.
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As far as time limits go Totori is more Ayesha than Ayesha, Rorona is very Escha to Logy, Meruru is a good balance, Firis is pretty Ayeshtori and iirc the rest are boring and lack time limits. I really miss time limits, Totori and especially Ayesha used them so well within their narratives. No amount of textboxes could possibly convey the general dread over the passage of time as well. Like yeah I get that time limits are the bane of completionism but they can add so much narrative tension that I'm really peeved at their passage into obsoletion.
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As a frame of reference, I'd say that Rorona's time limit is pretty similar to say, Persona 3. Completely trivial to just complete the game, and you'll probably max out multiple characters without really trying, but you either need a guide or a deep understanding of the game mechanics to 100% it. Escha and Logy is about the same. Totori, Meruru, and Ayesha all have plausible failure states (though how plausible varies from game to game) in a way that I can't really think of a good metaphor for in other video games. Personally, I love the time limits too. In addition to setting the mood, I just find it to be a fun gameplay element, deciding how to spend each day.
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Rotoru posted:I really miss time limits, Totori and especially Ayesha used them so well within their narratives. No amount of textboxes could possibly convey the general dread over the passage of time as well. Like yeah I get that time limits are the bane of completionism but they can add so much narrative tension that I'm really peeved at their passage into obsoletion. As uncomfortable as the time limit made me, I agree, but I'm fine with having an uncomfortable mechanic if it helps the experience. Having some dramatic event happen and then spending a month and a half farming and crafting breaks the narrative flow a bit. Lots of decision making involved in preparing too. There's the risk of overpreparing if you play too lax against the clock, or vice versa.
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I have only played the first three Arland games but in practice I found Rorona very easy to manage once I understood the actual gameplay loop (which being my very first Atelier took a while), Totori was way more onerous and overall stressful, and Meruru felt overall the best balanced because you have very few actual deadlines so you're just encouraged to continuously work towards building up the kingdom and so long as you don't take extreme detours it was easy to just relax and play the game. Getting any one particular ending on the other hand is kind of a pain, and I do wish the games were a bit better and more clear about how to achieve them or even better just write the endgames to be a bit more organic and in service of a larger narrative rather than the seemingly Calvinball approach the Arland games seem to take. Whether it's being consistent about taking characters out in your party or missing key scenes because you're not doing some sort of hidden check by visiting certain areas (sometimes with specific party members) it always felt like to me that the only viable path was just pick one character you like and just invest all your energy into them, which had the unfortunate side effect in many of my playthroughs of making a lot of the cast feel undercooked.
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Even in terms of going for 100%/platinum trophy, though this is from a NG+ file, Rorona was still pretty chill. Totori on the other hand, I kept falling behind on - even casually I found it had the tightest time limit of any Atelier game with one that I've played.
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I started with Sophie and found that a pretty gentle introduction, that still made me want to delve into the more structured entries into the series, although for that you'd probably want to wait for the upcoming Switch ports. But seconding that you're not losing much by starting with L&S; I skipped Firis (middle of that trilogy) and didn't feel like I missed much plotwise. There is a character in L&S that spoils some of the plot in Sophie, but...I don't feel like this is the kind of series where spoilers will actually ruin the experience. You could just as easily go back to Sophie and think of it as a prequel explaining how they met.
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https://twitter.com/TAKE52694170/status/1356606783662428161
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It took me more than a few tries, but I've finally clicked with an Atelier title - and it was Ayesha that did it What an absolute gem of a title. Incredible music, great characters, and a very addicting game loop that reminds me of a life sim more than a JRPG. It's wonderful
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