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Necrothatcher posted:so how does that make me a transphobe? I'm not calling you a transphobe I'm just saying you are posting apologia for an institutionally transphobic service
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a count of those processed of those referred since december 2019 is a pretty unlikely reading of the requester's intent, imo, and the clinic should have clarified. if there's not a way within FOIA to clarify with the requester what they're asking then that's dumb
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Aramoro posted:That's exactly what the posted tweet says? Yeah what matters in the number of first appointments not follow ups
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OwlFancier posted:The whole thing seems predicated on the idea that they couldn't possibly only have seen two people so there must be some other explanation, which uh, why? No it's predicated on knowing how the NHS records, accesses and assesses such data and how it responds to freedom of information requests. OwlFancier posted:
'accepted and processed' is what was asked, 'accepted and processed' is what was answered. It means how many were accepted and of those what were the outcomes. It is not ambiguous.
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Rumda posted:Yeah what matters in the number of first appointments not follow ups So we all agree the original tweet is wrong, so why are people getting called transphobes?
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Algol Star posted:It is not ambiguous. Horseshit.
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Aramoro posted:So we all agree the original tweet is wrong, so why are people getting called transphobes? What do you mean "We"? Surely you mean yourself
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therattle posted:It’s fine, my comment wasn’t aimed at you and I wasn’t suggesting you’d downplayed it. It never crossed my mind. It was just the general point that it’s unfair that the repercussions are not limited to the offender. Ah, I was just projecting it's what I was thinking about my comments, I do it tooooo often
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OwlFancier posted:Horseshit. The question should have been phrased: Could you: a) provide data on how many patients have been accepted since December 2019. b) provide data on how many patients have been processed since December 2019.
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also when the other figures show a 2,600 person waiting list waiting as much as 5.7 years with 500 more people joining in in the space of a year then focusing so much on this one point of whether the gic is also bad in this other way is perhaps a bit of a distraction
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# ? Mar 6, 2021 19:23 |
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Only a cis person could look at the utter abomination that is trans health care in the uk and walk away with the belief that it's not as bad as trans people are saying it is People literally kill themselves because of dysphoria over these years long waiting times and that's before covid is factored in. Some of the lowest waiting times are in the 2-3+ years
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# ? Mar 6, 2021 19:25 |
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OwlFancier posted:Horseshit. It is literally what those words mean. It's extremely clear. 'processed' does not mean anything to do with how many new patients were seen, it is completely meaningless if it is not referring to the group of referrals just mentioned in the question. If anything they erred on the side of giving more information than was technically asked. 'how many new patients were seen' and 'how many referrals were processed' do not mean the same thing. It's understandable if people who don't have experience with this don't know this but when people who know do point out what the answer means the reaction here was ridiculous. If you want to know how many people got their first appointment Vs how many referrals were received you should ask: '1 -How many new referrals were received in the period x-y. 2 - during the period x-y how many new patient appointments were completed' Algol Star fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Mar 6, 2021 |
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Algol Star posted:It is literally what those words mean. It's extremely clear. 'processed' does not mean anything to do with how many new patients were seen, it is completely meaningless if it is not referring to the group of referrals just mentioned in the question. If anything they erred on the side of giving more information than was technically asked. 'how many new patients were seen' and 'how many referrals were processed' do not mean the same thing. they did not answer how many patients were processed
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https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1368249069727006720 World's Most Divorced Man apparently believes his own bullshit. It's not cheap to run for Mayor of London and I seriously doubt the culture war dark money that's been feeding him so far will back him in this because the very best-case scenario is that he hives off the voters too racist to vote for Shaun Bailey, the amount of votes he'd take from Khan is basically zero.
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Algol Star posted:It's understandable if people who don't have experience with this don't know this in that case then, it seems a failure of this clinic or the FOI system in general to not have a process for the answerers to clarify what the questioner meant. FOI as mythical trickster literal-wish genie is not a great system
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Rumda posted:they did not answer how many patients were processed They've given the 16 outcomes that occured in the dataset. Angepain posted:in that case then, it seems a failure of this clinic or the FOI system in general to not have a process for the answerers to clarify what the questioner meant. FOI as mythical trickster literal-wish genie is not a great system This is just FOI requests in general and as someone pointed out earlier it's much better than giving organisations the ability to creatively interpret questions. Even with this plenty still abuse it, the clinic in this case has attempted a good faith response to the question asked. It's fairly common for people who make a lot of FOI requests to get advice on how to phrase their question if they don't speak the language of the field very well. Algol Star fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Mar 6, 2021 |
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Angepain posted:in that case then, it seems a failure of this clinic or the FOI system in general to not have a process for the answerers to clarify what the questioner meant. FOI as mythical trickster literal-wish genie is not a great system There's a process for that: quote:What if we are unsure what’s being asked for? https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-freedom-of-information/receiving-a-request/#7 e: Actually their given example pretty much covers the situation we're talking about : quote:"You have asked for all expenses claims submitted by Mrs Jones and dates of all meetings attended by Mrs Jones in June, July or August last year.
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Rumda posted:https://twitter.com/KatyMontgomerie/status/1368164668955590661?s=19 poo poo like this is why I see my only option is to remain depressed and continue presenting male. There's literally no help, and I'm not sure I'd have the strength to have the daily fight other trans-women have over, Bathrooms Shared living spaces Sports Children The right to loving exist Maybe I'll cough up for an account name change and just live vicariously that way?
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goddamnedtwisto posted:https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1368249069727006720 Also he commissioned his own polling to show the silent majority were crying out for an anti-Woke alternative, and then just decided to plow ahead anyway when it found they weren't: quote:The news came as new polling showed a significant minority of Londoners are uncomfortable about the London Mayor's 'woke' policies such as his review of statues. "Boris Johnson says ‘there’s nothing wrong with being woke’. Keir Starmer takes the knee to a hard-left organisation that seeks to undermine of all the things we hold dear, our families, our shared language and heritage. Sadiq Khan and his nation-hating cronies have their jealous eyes on our statues and institutions. Where does his desire to strip us of our history end? Surely Queen Victoria, the epitome of empire and white privilege, should be torn from her plinth in front of Buckingham Palace to be swiftly replaced with a monument to Greta Thunberg or Piers Morgan?" Apraxin fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Mar 6, 2021 |
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I thought he was just a oval office, but he's actually going full fash? Nice of the Telegraph to give him the publicity.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1368249069727006720 This all comes from him trying to promote his folk album where he whined that people found his jokes offensive. Is there a psychological term for doubling down so many times you become Hitler, or will we just call it The Glinner Effect?
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Being a train enthusiast who works against socialism is just the most dissonant set of beliefs imaginableGonzo McFee posted:The Glinner Effect? Glinner-Rowling Syndrome
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Please just kill me so I don't have to read more people using the word woke unironically.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Being a train enthusiast who works against socialism is just the most dissonant set of beliefs imaginable only if you care about the people riding the trains. if you just treat them as a cock substitute it's perfectly consistent
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LordVorbis posted:poo poo like this is why I see my only option is to remain depressed and continue presenting male. There's literally no help, and I'm not sure I'd have the strength to have the daily fight other trans-women have over, maybe a mod could get that sorted without the
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OwlFancier posted:Please just kill me so I don't have to read more people using the word woke unironically. dont be a woke, be a wide awake the lawrence foxes of the world become more respectful when labour activists hold regular torchlight vigils and robust exchanges of free speech at venues that are most convenient for their edification.
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The Perfect Element posted:I thought he was just a oval office, but he's actually going full fash? Nice of the Telegraph to give him the publicity. Gonzo McFee posted:This all comes from him trying to promote his folk album where he whined that people found his jokes offensive. Also, from the same article:
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DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN
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# ? Mar 6, 2021 20:36 |
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even for the Torygraph there's an impressive level of cognitive dissonance to suggesting that about a quarter of Londoners don't like Sadiq Khan and therefore these are votes Fox could win from Khan
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Failed Imagineer posted:Being a train enthusiast who works against socialism is just the most dissonant set of beliefs imaginable That can easily be the difference between someone that ought to be socialist and the most insufferable types of Brexity "things were better when we had an empire" pricks possible, a bit like with punk.
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Fly-tipping is something done by absolute pieces of poo poo... however it's also something that can be solved fairly easily with provision. Here in Ottawa, you can just leave stuff like sofas, mattresses out on the curb and they'll get picked up on collection day. Other stuff like appliances you have to take to recycling places, and technically they're not supposed to pick up "construction materials/waste" but I've left out small amounts of wood and stuff and they've picked it up fine. If you left out like a skip's worth of stuff then obviously they wouldn't take it but so long as you don't take the piss it seems fine. Also I was kind of surprised to see that they take tyres for free (though you have to take them to the refuse centre yourself) - up to 10 per day from a single person. I think normally in the UK when you have your tyres changed you have to pay a disposal fee of like £5-10 per tyre. Funny story around that actually: I saw some pensioner fly-tipping a load of garden waste and stuff while I was driving somewhere with my wife (back in the UK), so we took the guy's number plate and reported it to the police (because seriously, gently caress fly-tippers). Some plod got in touch and talked to us about it, so he went and talked to the guy. Turns out the bloke was respected in his area for... picking up litter. He'd won community awards for it and stuff. Apparently he used the excuse of "Oh it was just lawn clippings" and it's conceivable it was... but he was still dumping it in a lay-by and that is still very much not allowed - obviously if everybody did it it would be a huge problem. Anyway the plod said he gave the guy a verbal warning but given that he'd been a good member of his community they weren't going to prosecute him.
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# ? Mar 6, 2021 20:44 |
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Most fly-tipping is commercial stuff. My understanding of it goes like this: Landlord A hires oval office B to clean out the flat of someone he's just had evicted. Landlord A is - of course -
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kingturnip posted:Landlord A hires oval office B
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# ? Mar 6, 2021 20:54 |
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Also it's a minor thing but what sort of utterly depraved mind would create a presumably at least 1.5m square patch of chesterfield for any reason whatsoever?
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Failed Imagineer posted:Being a train enthusiast who works against socialism is just the most dissonant set of beliefs imaginable I mean we have our current hosed up rail system because John Major really really missed GWR.
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LordVorbis posted:poo poo like this is why I see my only option is to remain depressed and continue presenting male. There's literally no help, and I'm not sure I'd have the strength to have the daily fight other trans-women have over, Solidarity and sympathies, it sucks, it really sucks. I don't know your situation but I will say I bet you are stronger than you think you are. I mean I can only speak for myself but relieving dysphoria made the rest of this mad poo poo, well... not easy but at least more bearable and not transitioning would have been staying in a burning building to keep out of the cold but that's something I only saw clearly afterwards. Please try to find people you can talk to, even if it's just other trans people online.
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# ? Mar 6, 2021 21:02 |
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my ma had a skip outside hers when she was having a big clear out a few years ago and some oval office dumped a fridge in it in the middle of the night
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# ? Mar 6, 2021 21:04 |
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Milo Edwards has a great but in Trashfuture about the particular type of British guy who just *loves* going to the tip, to the point of knowing the names of the guys at the top and coming up with excuses to go. Extremely British Dad energy
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LordVorbis posted:poo poo like this is why I see my only option is to remain depressed and continue presenting male. There's literally no help, and I'm not sure I'd have the strength to have the daily fight other trans-women have over, Feel free to come over to the trans thread in byob if you haven't already https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3906197
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MikeCrotch posted:Milo Edwards has a great but in Trashfuture about the particular type of British guy who just *loves* going to the tip, to the point of knowing the names of the guys at the top and coming up with excuses to go. Extremely British Dad energy Please don't doxx me
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