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Mokinokaro posted:It is intentionally going for an 80s version of cyberpunk. That was definitely a mistake outside of the pretty decent aesthetics. It's not only going for an intentional version of cyberpunk, that version is Mike Pondsmith's Cyberpunk tabletop RPG which doesn't even feature much Gibson influence initially (because Maximum Mike hadn't read it when he did the first edition).
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Mar 7, 2021 03:10
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Disco existed in the early 60's and lasted to the 70's, you cannot put it in the future! You will regret this!!!!!
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Mar 7, 2021 03:15
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People complain about how much fantasy is stuck in the lord if the rings mold all the time
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Mar 7, 2021 03:17
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Yardbomb posted:That's not being said in favor of CDPR, it's more that if they manage to do another Super Duper Cut or whatever with the bugs ironed out, a ton of gamers are gonna try and memory hole the issues of before, like they've already done before. The people that previously did this for their previous games left the company. Even if they fix the issues with the game, the game is still kinda mid and boring. I also doubt they will add any real AI to the cars in the open world.
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Mar 7, 2021 04:03
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Vagabundo posted:It's based on an existing source material. You can't do a CyberPunk game without setting it in an 80's dystopian future in which Night City exists. It's part and parcel to the property. Uh... you can absolutely adapt source material though? Cyberpunk doesn't have to be stuck in the 80's to still be Cyberpunk.
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Mar 7, 2021 04:08
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The part that gets me most about cyberpunk's world is that while yeah, it is an 80's cyberpunk setting; it's been visually overhauled to be a modern 80's cyberpunk setting. So it feels weirdly divorced and detached from how a more classic cyberpunk setting would feel (often noted by retrofuturism and lack of modern convenience like cellphones) which kind of leaves it feeling really just bland and kind of corporate, ironically. Like the sci-fi settings you see in movies like the robocop remake where everything is sleek and cool and all the technology is super rad and awesome, and it's pretty much just a utopia; but also everyone's just poor because it's a dystopia and everyone has to be poor and lovely because dystopia.
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Mar 7, 2021 04:24
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I think you can totally adapt aesthetics of 80's cyberpunk but you have to update a lot of... antiquated... aspects of it or else you get everything that happened with Cyberpunk's pre-release.
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Mar 7, 2021 04:28
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If you were updating a modern cyberpunk aesthetic, Ironically I think you will see a lot more ref faire or fantasy inspired clothing choices. Maybe this is something that Shadowrun covers but I can see as technology gets more and more advances, you see a growing subculture of paganism and fantasy aesthetic. Just look at the rise of people who consider themselves witches. Or like a revival of stuff you saw in the Spiritualism movement during the victorian era BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Mar 7, 2021 |
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Mar 7, 2021 04:31
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I miss the 90s grunge cyberpunk dystopia style. Evil corporate style slowly giving away to aimlessness.
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Mar 7, 2021 04:42
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i loving hate shadowrun
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Mar 7, 2021 05:10
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BigRed0427 posted:If you were updating a modern cyberpunk aesthetic, Ironically I think you will see a lot more ref faire or fantasy inspired clothing choices. honestly. idk why we haven't gotten some weird change in fashion in real life yet. i want those weird clothes from deus ex HR or loving mass effect suits. weird sorta future poo poo. some weird cyberpunk mixed with renaissance or some poo poo. i feel like the 80s came and never left.
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Mar 7, 2021 05:13
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Dapper_Swindler posted:honestly. idk why we haven't gotten some weird change in fashion in real life yet. i want those weird clothes from deus ex HR or loving mass effect suits. weird sorta future poo poo. some weird cyberpunk mixed with renaissance or some poo poo. i feel like the 80s came and never left. my dude have you heard of techwear
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Mar 7, 2021 05:15
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Dapper_Swindler posted:honestly. idk why we haven't gotten some weird change in fashion in real life yet. i want those weird clothes from deus ex HR or loving mass effect suits. weird sorta future poo poo. some weird cyberpunk mixed with renaissance or some poo poo. i feel like the 80s came and never left. Because old people won't die fast enough.
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Mar 7, 2021 05:29
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Dapper_Swindler posted:honestly. idk why we haven't gotten some weird change in fashion in real life yet. i want those weird clothes from deus ex HR or loving mass effect suits. weird sorta future poo poo. some weird cyberpunk mixed with renaissance or some poo poo. i feel like the 80s came and never left. What were the big fashion changes bewteen 2000 to now? Jinco jeans coming and going?
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Mar 7, 2021 05:33
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Sydin posted:Only 30 minutes into the Cyberpunk video, but leave it to Noah to just completely cut through the bullshit discourse and get to the critical heart of the matter. Even if everything here was working as intended with no bugs and more focused gameplay, it still doesn't change the fact that the dystopia being presented is decades out of date at the point. It's just a buffet of classic cyberpunk themes and visuals without any attempt to actually update any of it for a modern audience who isn't even going to blink at a 20th century/early 21st century depiction of capitalism run amok. We're already loving living it. well part of that problem is that Poundsmith source books is from 1988-90s and they are pretty much a grab bag of poo poo he loved mixed with his own interested ideas. i like the worldbuilding and poo poo even if its not the greatest. i like 2077 but my biggest issue with it that its not enough like the Witcher 3 because while flawed mechanicaly, witcher 3 is just amazing storywise and it isnt afraid to hold back from dark stuff but also isnt afraid to weird and wonderful and funny. i feel like witcher 3, venture bros as a video game. it has its flaws and problamatic elements and the premise is sorta weird parody but when it touches you, it touches you and it makes you care. 2077 has those moments, the issue is, instead of weird little stories that are either funny or sad or weird or tie into other poo poo. most of the game is just "raid warehouse with some story elements". its basicaly does a bunch of poo poo Ubisoft does, but doesn't make it work like ubisoft mostly does. Sydin posted:I am curious to see if CDPR can revive 2077 or if they just eventually dump it after a couple patches and move on to the next big project. No Man's Sky had a similar release where unrealistic expectations crashed against a game that released as an unfinished, buggy mess, but Hello Games then put years into rebuilding the game from the ground up such that it not only almost completely salvaged their studio's reputation, but NMS is actually a pretty good game these days. maybe. i think the core game is fine/fun. it just needs way more quests and its open world gently caress ups fixed. i'll buy the "GOTY" edition someday probably. they made there money back in 10 minutes basicaly, so i dont think they have an excuse, especially since their future depends on it. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Mar 7, 2021 |
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Mar 7, 2021 05:34
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Alaois posted:my dude have you heard of techwear
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Mar 7, 2021 05:38
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It's cool that Mike Pondsmith got a AAA studio to ruin themselves making a lore-accurate version of his ttrpg books.
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Mar 7, 2021 06:27
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Finished the Noah video. I mostly agree. Though I think the corpo to nomad route works the best thematically. Him missing it being based on a IP is annoying sorta because I saw people making that mistake a lot and I actually like Noah because he usually knows that poo poo. Either way good stuff.
Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Mar 7, 2021 |
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Mar 7, 2021 06:38
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I liked Cyberpunk 2077 okay. I thought some of the writing and characters were good. I wish it had been better, though. I haven't touched it since finishing it, and that was about two months ago. CDPR fumbled it pretty badly, but I don't think it's necessarily a sign the company is doomed to make bad games from now on. They did pretty well with the Witcher games (which I've not played yet), but those turned out pretty good, so maybe their next project will pan out better. Also, I like the 80s/90s cyberpunk aesthetic.
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Mar 7, 2021 07:08
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Retro 80s cyberpunk is cool and I’m glad they didn’t meddle with that. I couldn’t care less if it’s seen as outdated or unrealistic or whatever.
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Mar 7, 2021 08:43
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Nuebot posted:Like the sci-fi settings you see in real life where everything is sleek and cool and all the technology is super rad and awesome, and it's pretty much just a utopia; but also everyone's just poor because it's a dystopia and everyone has to be poor and lovely because markets. 
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Mar 7, 2021 09:05
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Actually adaptations can in fact...adapt source material. Isn't Cyberpunk 2077 set (in-universe) decades after the tabletop RPG too? Seems like that would be a good way to justify changing the aesthetic.
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Mar 7, 2021 09:13
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Bakeneko posted:Retro 80s cyberpunk is cool and I’m glad they didn’t meddle with that. I couldn’t care less if it’s seen as outdated or unrealistic or whatever. Same here. If anything, it being an outdated view of the future adds to the cyberpunk charm. Personally I'm enjoying CP2077, as glitchy as it sometimes can be. It did pleasantly surprise me that the story idea is being a person who is dealing with a terminal illness. That's usually not a story game studios sink their teeth in.
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Mar 7, 2021 11:17
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Archer666 posted:Same here. If anything, it being an outdated view of the future adds to the cyberpunk charm. It loses some of its bite because the illness only progresses when the plot requires it. Which is great for being able to enjoy the open world but hilarious when you get cutscenes about how ill you are and how little time you have and then proceed to tool around Night City looking for broken taxis and committing police sanctioned murder for ten hours.
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Mar 7, 2021 11:23
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Fil5000 posted:It loses some of its bite because the illness only progresses when the plot requires it. Which is great for being able to enjoy the open world but hilarious when you get cutscenes about how ill you are and how little time you have and then proceed to tool around Night City looking for broken taxis and committing police sanctioned murder for ten hours. That's true yeah, which is a shame. It has the Yakuza "No time passes outside of plot missions" system which doesn't really work thematically, but I don't think they could have done it any other way.
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Mar 7, 2021 11:29
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Huljt0g0Y3Q Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 11:43 on Mar 7, 2021 |
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Mar 7, 2021 11:38
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Yeah I liked him talking about audio quality complaints while trucks roared past in the background and he lost what he was talking about. Honestly, he's been doing this long enough that people should know what they're getting by now. He does what he does and you're either on board or you're not, seems faintly ridiculous he has to spell that out for people.
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Mar 7, 2021 11:46
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Dapper_Swindler posted:honestly. idk why we haven't gotten some weird change in fashion in real life yet. i want those weird clothes from deus ex HR or loving mass effect suits. weird sorta future poo poo. some weird cyberpunk mixed with renaissance or some poo poo. i feel like the 80s came and never left. As a culture we have lost the ability to invent speculatively meaningful visions of the future. Capitalism sells recycled aesthetics back to us, unable to reflect on reality.
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Mar 7, 2021 11:46
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Dapper_Swindler posted:honestly. idk why we haven't gotten some weird change in fashion in real life yet. i want those weird clothes from deus ex HR or loving mass effect suits. weird sorta future poo poo. some weird cyberpunk mixed with renaissance or some poo poo. i feel like the 80s came and never left. Weird fashion is around, but its expensive, difficult to find and most people have very boring tastes and wear practical clothes. Fictional fashion is nice, but its not a realistic representation of fashion trends unfortunately. Unless you're in Japan/Asia and have money. Then you can be the main character of every video game. These days I order my clothes from Japan cause gently caress their fashion styles rock and I hate having money.    
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Mar 7, 2021 12:16
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here's two videos regarding the topics that i remembered watching and recommend. cyberpunk is dead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvor7hhDKTs so is the future (this is one of my favourites) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m0aEO7CrxM Archer666 posted:That's true yeah, which is a shame. It has the Yakuza "No time passes outside of plot missions" system which doesn't really work thematically, but I don't think they could have done it any other way.
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Mar 7, 2021 14:16
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Breath of Fire 5 actually did something kinda like that but it was less 'terminal illness' and more 'corrupted by dragon powers'. Basicaly you have a % readout of how much you've been corrupted by your dragon powers which very slowly increments during normal play or very quickly if you use your overpowered dragon attacks. You can't make it go back down and when you reach 100% your guy explodes and the game ends. It's a neat idea but its also heavilly designed around, BOF5 being a much shorter game than its predecessors to account for multiple playthroughs and a sort of new game plus system that lets players start fresh but keep some levels. Theres even bonus cutscenes handed out based on a ranking system so you're occasionally still getting more story details on playthrough number 5. Personally I made it to the final boss on like 90% but I wasn't strong enough to beat them and 10% wasn't enough access to the dragon beam or w/e and I gave up. Great game though, would love to see it ported to modern platforms so I can try to reach the surface again now my PS2 bit the dust. I feel like it would be better received these days.
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Mar 7, 2021 14:48
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I think the response to Far Cry 2 killed a lot of interest from developers in having sickness and similar stuff affect gameplay even though in FC2 it just meant doing an extra side quest every few hours or so.
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Mar 7, 2021 15:05
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BigRed0427 posted:If you were updating a modern cyberpunk aesthetic, Ironically I think you will see a lot more ref faire or fantasy inspired clothing choices. Deus Ex Human Revolution really elevated its aesthetic by going with the cyber-renaissance vibe, but I guess the problem of another property using that kind of aesthetic is it would be seen as a riff on Deus Ex rather than its own thing.
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Mar 7, 2021 15:08
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Fil5000 posted:It loses some of its bite because the illness only progresses when the plot requires it. Which is great for being able to enjoy the open world but hilarious when you get cutscenes about how ill you are and how little time you have and then proceed to tool around Night City looking for broken taxis and committing police sanctioned murder for ten hours. Rdr 2 does the same thing though with same kinda set up and progression, the thing is rdr changes the meaning of stuff while cyberpunk lets you decide what matters but yeah. Them trying the Ubisoft open world poo poo without making them mostly fun like Ubisoft open worlds are, is lol.
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Mar 7, 2021 15:40
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Even if they fix the issues with the game, the game is still kinda mid and boring. Yeah that's what makes me kinda sad for it, like I said whenever I look at it long enough I wish it wasn't the most milquetoast version of a cyberpunk world when it has neat bits gameplay systems-wise.
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Mar 7, 2021 17:08
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Suzie the Sphere Hunter's Cyberpunk video talked a lot about the adaptation from the ttrpg, seems she was a fan of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fU-2WGhu0s
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Mar 7, 2021 17:28
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MonsieurChoc posted:Suzie the Sphere Hunter's Cyberpunk video talked a lot about the adaptation from the ttrpg, seems she was a fan of it. Yeah. I love ttrpg, it’s a very pulpy world and it is a mishmash of tropes and stuff but 2077 is a jump for it.
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Mar 7, 2021 17:48
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Fil5000 posted:It loses some of its bite because the illness only progresses when the plot requires it. Which is great for being able to enjoy the open world but hilarious when you get cutscenes about how ill you are and how little time you have and then proceed to tool around Night City looking for broken taxis and committing police sanctioned murder for ten hours. Part of the problem seems like they ripped the whole initial plot they had in mind for the game off the top of it and decided to awkwardly tape a different one on. The description on the first teaser trailer had a big focus on the Psycho Squad that has no connection at all to the game we got: quote:The teaser shows how the Psycho Squad might acquire a new member. And from what articles were describing, they did end up trashing most of the initial work done on the game from like 2013 to 2016. The disassociation between the main plot and sidequests, and the fact that there's such a focus on being a one-person contract killer for the cops does feel like it'd fit in more in a game where you were playing part of the Psycho Squad, with a plot centered around maybe either having to defect from the NCPD or get in good with them.
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Mar 7, 2021 17:48
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MonsieurChoc posted:Suzie the Sphere Hunter's Cyberpunk video talked a lot about the adaptation from the ttrpg, seems she was a fan of it. Suzi's great.
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Mar 7, 2021 17:57
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Fil5000 posted:Yeah I liked him talking about audio quality complaints while trucks roared past in the background and he lost what he was talking about. It sounds like the part about audio quality and comments at least is another case of taking too many Youtube comments to heart. From his usual opinions I’m betting he said something at some point within the last 7 years that pissed off the worst of the video game crowd, they’re still mad about it, and continue to say whatever they can think of to hurt someone. Come to think of it I haven’t been able to watch some of his videos lately because they’re about games I still want to play myself first - Last of Us 2, RDR2, Disco Elysium to name a few. Well anyways back to spending hours in Valheim instead of playing those games 
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