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A tankie impersonating a made up australian professor trying to gaslight the CCP genocide of Uighurs. They haven't been doxxed yet.
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Coolguye posted:Yeah the Marxist reading would be that the amount of wealth in the system is mostly irrelevant because in a properly planned economy, efficiency will go up as new optimizations are found and things will get better; and, because of the redistribution system, they will get better for everyone equally. That is not at all a Marxist reading, which requires the forces of production to reach a sufficient level of development before "to each according to their need" becomes viable. Anything less simply becomes a redistribution of poverty, where everyone might starve from a bad harvest, which is obviously not a stable system. As an aside, it was generally considered by socialists that western Europe had reached this stage by the turn of the previous century but that Tsarist Russia was way too far behind to make socialism viable there. Lenin concluded they were right and developed what he called "state capitalism" instead and ran with it. Later "communist" countries have largely followed Lenin's model. Being vanguardist dictatorships they will obviously always insist that they will need to develop just a few more decades while keeping the Party in power. quote:In reality the actual point is that the planned economy is a crock of poo poo and is only even theoretically possible with an omniscient AI doing the planning. And even then it might not really work. Without the planned economy handling the “from each according to their ability” portion, you’ve just got capitalism with a strong safety net. Except that as it turns out when you also severely centralize power the way Marx loved to do, you never get the strong safety net because the people in power end up becoming dictators. So you never get the “to each according to their need.” Marx did not "love" centralization, instead he pointed out it's a natural tendency of capital to concentrate itself in this way. One might note that the centralization reforms from The Communist Manifesto, meant to rapidly develop the previously mentioned forces of production to make socialism possible, have by and large already been implemented a long time ago by the capitalists themselves, without causing dictatorships. Though I understand Americans are apparently indoctrinated from birth to believe centralized infrastructure or healthcare are by definition Evil... Either way the goal of Marx and the socialists was not the centralized state planning of the USSR but the abolition of the state and moving economic decision-making into the hands of those affected by the decisions, ie. economic democracy, which would tend to be local for local issues like housing, and global for issues like global warming. It doesn't require anything that isn't already required to make capitalism work, though of course computers would make bookkeeping easier (as it does under capitalism). quote:There’s a reason why communism is as dead a philosophy as Latin is a language and nerds need to get over it and start focusing on either agitating for the social safety net programs they need or getting involved in the actually novel governance and economic research being done on crap like reputation governance, liquid democracy, streaming economic flows, continuous payments, etc etc. there’s an entire world of new and exciting thinking out there that can up-end authoritative bullshit and plutocratic rapaciousness but people just prefer to jack off to the Soviet national anthem while fellating Xi online. It's far from a dead philosophy, it just seems you haven't really engaged with it. Maybe then you'd know they discuss those kinds of things constantly and always have been, and that the most scathing critiques of the USSR and PRC come from socialists. For every tankie weirdo on Twitter fawning over Xi, there are a hundred cum covered capitalists with dollar signs for eyes bending over for him.
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Mar 7, 2021 16:54
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https://twitter.com/MattCKnight/status/1368562074012577792?s=20 Ladies and gentlemen, the cultural counselor at the Chinese Embassy in Islamabad
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Mar 7, 2021 17:42
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tldr: theyre capitalist roaders
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Mar 7, 2021 18:44
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Mooey Cow posted:That is not at all a Marxist reading, which requires the forces of production to reach a sufficient level of development before "to each according to their need" becomes viable. Anything less simply becomes a redistribution of poverty, where everyone might starve from a bad harvest, which is obviously not a stable system. As an aside, it was generally considered by socialists that western Europe had reached this stage by the turn of the previous century but that Tsarist Russia was way too far behind to make socialism viable there. Lenin concluded they were right and developed what he called "state capitalism" instead and ran with it. Later "communist" countries have largely followed Lenin's model. Being vanguardist dictatorships they will obviously always insist that they will need to develop just a few more decades while keeping the Party in power. i could roll down the numerous ways this is not accurate, like the 'sufficient level of development' being paradoxically wrapped up in the entire 'struggle for foreign markets' and the ending of it narrative that marx harps on about so frequently, that the centralization "reforms" you refer to actually strongly increase centralization because the worker councils and other 'representative' setups have no major concept of arbitration between levels of the council system, or basic checks and balances or real autonomy at any level other than the top because all the workers have to make a cohesive economy unto itself, etc. i could also point out that these criticisms aren't even my own, tons of marx's own contemporaries leveled these objections at him and pointed out that his philosophies were a crock of poo poo because of these same things. i, therefore, HAVE engaged with it a gently caress of a lot more than any Internet Comrade has because i deigned to engage with it from its inception and actually read about how it developed. i could also point out that, yes, the philosophy is outrageously dead because its supporters vacillate between the ridiculous assertion that 'true' communism has never been tried and that the glorious communistic powers of today (there aren't any) will lead to the worker's paradise. i could YET FURTHER point out that socialism is not the same thing as communism if anything i cheered socialism by saying that internet weirdos should focus on that more by demanding more social safety programs of their governments, implying it would make them substantially less weird. but the last sentence makes it pretty clear you somehow read my post as some kind of saluting defense of capitalism, which is so hysterically off base that the thing i don't want to engage with is yet another dingus who is arguing in bad faith for whatever cryptic purpose they have on their side.
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Are you going to go on a rant about how you are the true communism understander while doing a “socialism is when the government does stuff.”
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Mar 7, 2021 20:23
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For something better check out this gem from the tankie thread! The famously protected from imperialism by China nation of Vietnam
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Mar 7, 2021 20:26
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in the same way the mob protects local businesses
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Mar 7, 2021 20:28
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:For something better check out this gem from the tankie thread! lmao Vietnam, definitely top of the list of nations China's never done an imperialism to. I am very intelligent.
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Mar 7, 2021 20:35
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Jeoh posted:in the same way the mob protects local businesses See China was really going to come help Vietnam with its war against those dastardly Western imperialists. They just showed up a bit late, got confused, and accidentally burnt down a few provinces. An honest mistake, really.
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Mar 7, 2021 20:36
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If only there was a convenient shorthand to refer to a country that blends the worst parts of capitalism with the worst parts of socialism and binds it all together with nationalism (like a bundle of sticks if you will) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 7, 2021 23:26
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Fojar38 posted:If only there was a convenient shorthand to refer to a country that blends the worst parts of capitalism with the worst parts of socialism and binds it all together with nationalism (like a bundle of sticks if you will) I don't think we're allowed to use that word anymore.
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Mr. Sunshine posted:I don't think we're allowed to use that word anymore. Read my mind
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Mar 8, 2021 00:26
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Coolguye posted:i could roll down the numerous ways this is not accurate. no you couldn't
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Mar 8, 2021 00:26
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https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1368632551259127811?s=20
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Mr. Sunshine posted:I don't think we're allowed to use that word anymore. Chopsticks?
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Mar 8, 2021 01:37
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VideoTapir posted:no you couldn't I mean, he did. You just didn't quote those parts.
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Mar 8, 2021 01:39
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holy poo poo
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Mar 8, 2021 01:50
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beyond the obvious this is also literally fake news- that image is not of him signing this bill, and it has to go back to the house first. The earliest time of it becoming law is Monday.
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Mar 8, 2021 01:54
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Champions of fiscal responsibility and spending within their means, the Chinese government
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https://youtu.be/LeL9ov_yS18 9 years away baby Edit: was the ron paul thing an edit, I don't remember that part before GoutPatrol fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Mar 8, 2021 |
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Mar 8, 2021 03:03
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Gotta love the CCP pearl clutching about the national debt lol
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Mar 8, 2021 03:19
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Deficit hawks with Chinese characteristics.
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Mar 8, 2021 03:45
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Devils Affricate posted:I mean, he did. He was critiquing SOMETHING, just not what was posted.
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Mar 8, 2021 06:17
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Warbadger posted:See China was really going to come help Vietnam with its war against those dastardly Western imperialists. They just showed up a bit late, got confused, and accidentally burnt down a few provinces. An honest mistake, really. And took 3 weeks to move 80 miles and lost 2 divisions worth of men against a war weary and otherwise occupied PAVN. But China was victorious you see, now they own half of a waterfall.
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Mar 8, 2021 19:07
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Also supporting the fine folks in the Khmer Rouge while Vietnam was trying to stop that whole genocide thing they were doing.
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Mar 8, 2021 20:07
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Limbaugh's dead but Kissinger is still alive smh
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Mar 9, 2021 03:10
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Karma Comedian posted:Limbaugh's dead but Kissinger is still alive smh Isn't Kissinger undead at this point?
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Mar 9, 2021 03:31
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https://twitter.com/jedmark888/status/1368968335279468549 So this article on the way Xi's bureaucracy creates more of itself even as initiatives to cut through it are attempted is a brilliant piece of unintentional comedy. Some good excerpts: quote:Locally, officials say they keep getting overwhelmed with bureaucratic demands from above, often involving repetitive meetings and excessive paperwork that sometimes weighs in at hundreds of pounds, according to state media accounts.
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Mar 9, 2021 08:24
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is it just me not hearing about adverse side effects from vaccination or is it really only just hk so far reportiung a load of adverse effects???
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Mar 9, 2021 09:38
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Booty Pageant posted:is it just me not hearing about adverse side effects from vaccination or is it really only just hk so far reportiung a load of adverse effects??? idk. Discounting China where supposedly millions of people have been vaccinated, for obvious reasons, Turkey, Brazil, Indonesia, several MENA countries... have all now given out tons of the Sinovac or Sinopharm vaccines and we haven't heard much of anything, and there's no huge reason for many of those countries to help China in some massive coverup if there's a catastrophic failure. The general thing I've seen from international sources on both vaccines is they're probably fine and were mostly tested internationally so there's not a huge amount of worry about them being harmful as there is they're not as effective as others. Anecdotal, but I know a few dozen people in China who got it and no one has complained about anything. The boring truth is the Chinese vaccines are probably like, fine, just closer to 60%~ effective which is still fine for a lot of the countries buying them considering most of the mRNA vaccine supply is gonna be tied up in Europe and North America for ??? time. What did you see from HK specifically? I only saw the one older man who died but also had like 4 heart issues last week and another woman this week. But like 2 people died very soon after getting the AZ vaccine in Korea just last week (like the same day as the first guy in HK) and there have been a few deaths from people after getting moderna or pfizer's vaccines as well, and a ton of reports of bad side effects from every vaccine. I feel like the anti-vax groups really blow up any news of anything negative about any of the vaccines. Like for example the Epoch Times, which while bad is certainly no friend of the PRC, has been attacking every vaccine it can and last week claimed like 1000 people died after taking the Moderna or Pfizer one or something ridiculous lol. I have some dumb older anti-vax people who share this poo poo with me so I get to see all this news shared all the time.
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"CCP bad and there is only one cure for Covid: Shenyun"
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tho it is kinda interesting how almost none of my Chinese friends/coworkers have opted in to get on the vaccine waiting list. I asked a couple if it was the Chinese ones specifically (there was a lot of bad vaccines going around a few years ago, so not an unfounded fear) and if they'd get an imported one and nah they just don't trust any vaccine lol. almost everyone I know in China who did get one is a foreigner. talking to other people here it seems to be a v. common sentiment where no one trusts any of the vaccines and just doesn't want any of them. a friend of mine who is a teacher got it, and she said like most of her Chinese colleagues opted out for the same reasons.
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Mar 9, 2021 11:56
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If anyone is actually worried, fever in the first 24-48 hours after vaccination is common for most vaccines. Anyone with kids has probably had to deal w a toasty baby for 1 night (for my kid, it was the polio vax.)
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Mar 9, 2021 12:07
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If you get the Chinese vaccine does that exclude you from possibly getting another, more effective vaccine in the future? Like in the long run I guess when, hopefully, this stuff isn't so limited anymore.
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BrainDance posted:If you get the Chinese vaccine does that exclude you from possibly getting another, more effective vaccine in the future? Not AFAIK, you can mix and match vaccines. Doing so will likely improve your immunity over having just a single one, in fact, giving you broader resistance to different strains and stimulating different aspects of the immune response. Depending on where you live, no doubt getting a second, different vaccine would probably require waiting until everyone has had their first unless and the vaccine you had first being designated as not effective enough. Also, again depending on where you live, it might cost money as an optional uptake even if the first was free. But I figure your question was more along the lines of "does having one stop other ones being useful" and the answer to that is no.
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Mar 9, 2021 13:23
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Magna Kaser posted:idk. Discounting China where supposedly millions of people have been vaccinated, for obvious reasons, Turkey, Brazil, Indonesia, several MENA countries... have all now given out tons of the Sinovac or Sinopharm vaccines and we haven't heard much of anything, and there's no huge reason for many of those countries to help China in some massive coverup if there's a catastrophic failure. Brazil originally terminated the Sinovac safety trials due to deaths in the participant pool, but there was a lot of political wrangling around it so it's difficult to say exactly what happened. They are currently issuing the Sinovac vaccine with government approval though and while there have been some protests claiming it's efficacy is below 50% I don't know of any claims that it's killing people. Brazil and China aren't on good political terms right now so I can't really imagine them covering anything up. The previous Chinese made Covid vaccines (Sars and Mers) killed a few people so I could get people being against it just on memory and hearsay.
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I would like to open my anus on whoever wrote this.
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BrainDance posted:If you get the Chinese vaccine does that exclude you from possibly getting another, more effective vaccine in the future? Exactly how vaccines interlink is still under debate and research/trials are underway. Andovirus vector vaccines probably modfiy other andovirus vaccines (Oxford/AZ, Sinovac, Spuknick) because your body is more primed with antibodies close to the virus vector, but that also could make them compatible. Studies in mixing the Oxford/Russian vaccine are underway. The RNA vaccines (Pfizer/Moderna) probably won't interfere with the andovirus ones since it's a different method, but how they would interfere with each other is unknown.
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