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Angrymog: Jan 30, 2012; Really Madcats

Z the IVth posted:

The only reason the NHS hasn't haemorrhaged even more clinical staff is that by and large most will receive an automatic pay progression semi-regularly. So everyone gets a reasonably significant pay rise each year but each individual pay point is worth less year by year due go inflation.

IIRC for nurses it tops out at 9 years so after that you start feeling the below inflation pay rises.

I don't know if it's the same for all trusts, but once you got to the top of your banding, the only way to keep getting pay rises was to look for a higher band job.

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Z the IVth: Jan 28, 2009; The trouble with your "expendable machines"; Fun Shoe

DroneRiff posted:

The 2018 pay deal (which was poo poo) changed this, so there's generally only 2 points in a pay band and you get one big jump after several years. It's basically to flatten out pay curves and make things cheaper if you keep staff turn over steady.
So now you feel the bit every year. Good times.

EDIT: This is the 'Agenda for Change' scale that Nurses/AHPs/Admin Staff use. Can't remember about doctors.

Junior doctors ate something similar with the "new contract" in 2016. They wanted to "end the practice of paying people for simply being in training longer with the same level of responsibility". They didn't want any of those layabout females getting pregnant and going on maternity leave for a year and coming back to a pay progression rise. Yeah. :ohno:

. As if any doctor stays in training for longer than necessary.

The consultant contract remains unchanged for now. Most likely because consultants can and will just gently caress off into private practice/Australia/Ireland if the last scraps of goodwill are lost.

Edit - I have a rough idea of the nurse side of things based on the doctor bits but things have clearly changed significantly since with "Agenda for ~~Cuts~~Change".

Z the IVth fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Mar 7, 2021

# ? Mar 7, 2021 20:23

Oh dear me: Aug 14, 2012; I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

kingturnip posted:

There comes a point where you're actively looking for things to get annoyed about

For at least seven decades women have been fighting against the way male is the assumed default human. Part of that is challenging the way masculine terms are magically supposed to 'include' women (despite abundant psychological research showing that they loving don't), while feminine terms are never supposed to include men.

If you think people have to seek out these annoyances you don't understand the issue.

ThomasPaine posted:

Lads is a gender neutral term and I will not be backing down on this one

Why is misgendering ok if nouns are used instead of pronouns?

# ? Mar 7, 2021 20:27

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

If lads was gender neutral then lasses would not exist.

Also much like disabilities are not determined by whether they are visible to others, similarly the genderedness of a term is not determined by the person using it.

# ? Mar 7, 2021 20:28

Isomermaid: Dec 3, 2019; Swish swish, like a fish

That Limmy sketch about spotting a coupla lads in the bar

# ? Mar 7, 2021 20:32

Rumda: Nov 4, 2009; Moth Lesbian Comrade

ThomasPaine posted:

Lads is a gender neutral term and I will not be backing down on this one

That is not a thing you get to decide

kingturnip posted:

There comes a point where you're actively looking for things to get annoyed about

I don't need to activly look for it I've had enough of letting microaggressions slide people in this thread can and should do better.

Just like this avatar change seriously is that the best you can loving do?

# ? Mar 7, 2021 20:33

happyhippy: Feb 21, 2005; Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup; Pillbug

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_j35t3GCsk

The Royal Media.

# ? Mar 7, 2021 20:34

endlessmonotony: Nov 4, 2009; by Fritz the Horse

ThomasPaine posted:

Lads is a gender neutral term and I will not be backing down on this one

When you need to defend a term as gender neutral and yet know you don't need to explain the gendered meaning because everyone knows it, you've already proven yourself wrong.

# ? Mar 7, 2021 20:40

nurmie: Dec 8, 2019

Angrymog posted:

I don't know if it's the same for all trusts, but once you got to the top of your banding, the only way to keep getting pay rises was to look for a higher band job.

Yeah they all but explicitly stated that when I started with my trust, during the induction no less - the idea is that if you want a career progression/a pay rise you go for an internal job hunt every year and a half or so (not necessarily within the same department or even anywhere close to what you were doing before), hopefully jumping up a band or two in the process.

It kind of works for admin/non-medical staff (kind of), but I'm not quite sure how this approach would work with anything medical and/or niche/specialist, or for staff retention in situations like "I really like my Band 5 position but after 15 years of doing it my paycheck somehow feels about half of what it was when I started"

# ? Mar 7, 2021 20:41

kecske: Feb 28, 2011; it's round, like always

*attenborough voice* without the common pissflaps or vitamin p to unite against, the posting colony quickly turns on itself

# ? Mar 7, 2021 20:44

happyhippy: Feb 21, 2005; Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup; Pillbug

Lads is a gender neutral term in some places, it is in parts of Ireland here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/c91xzk/is_lads_gender_neutral_yet/

Obviously not in all parts of the UK. So what do you call a mixed group in your area?

# ? Mar 7, 2021 20:49

TRIXNET: Jun 6, 2004; META AS FUCK.

Honestly, people wearing a mask on the chin or covering just the mouth is the thing to get annoyed about. I can't tell if these people are are stupid or simply don't care (it's both isn't it).

If there is no mask on at all I'll assume they can't wear one and go about my normal every day anxieties.

# ? Mar 7, 2021 20:50

Rumda: Nov 4, 2009; Moth Lesbian Comrade

happyhippy posted:

Lads is a gender neutral term in some places, it is in parts of Ireland here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/c91xzk/is_lads_gender_neutral_yet/

Obviously not in all parts of the UK. So what do you call a mixed group in your area?

Comrades

# ? Mar 7, 2021 20:50

endlessmonotony: Nov 4, 2009; by Fritz the Horse

Toverit

# ? Mar 7, 2021 20:54

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

Rumda posted:

That is not a thing you get to decide

I don't need to activly look for it I've had enough of letting microaggressions slide people in this thread can and should do better.

Just like this avatar change seriously is that the best you can loving do?

Who the gently caress is tone deaf enough to buy that but reads this thread?

# ? Mar 7, 2021 20:58

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

There are a fair few people who come in just to be twats every now and then, I assume they read more regularly.

I'm more curious about what sort of freak knows what the word pugnacious means and voluntarily uses it.

# ? Mar 7, 2021 20:59

Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

I dream of one day someone fixing the forums software so that it shows who has bought avatars

though when they do they should wait a few months before telling us and making it public, just to let some trolls embarrass themselves

# ? Mar 7, 2021 21:03

Nutapii: Jun 24, 2020

I wouldnt've bought a BRT, but the twenty page slapfights are fairly commonly instigated by Rumda over the past two months and it's a bit tedious now. Vitamin Ps said gently caress-all wrong, but we're all cooped up and coming out/determining* you're trans literally weeks before lockdown would suck.

*wrong word as it implies choice, but realising seems a bit dismissive of the struggle to get there as well. Discovering?

# ? Mar 7, 2021 21:04

Ravel: Dec 23, 2009; There's no story

I use 'everyone' or 'all' if I'm addressing a group. It's a bit clunky and sometimes I use 'guys' reflexively. Nobody in the UK says folks or y'all.

# ? Mar 7, 2021 21:04

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Peeps, real ones, everyone. I wish y'all would be formally accepted worldwide because it solves numerous neutrality issues.

In geordie there's "ya's" which is sort of a plural you - as in "gently caress ya's then, I'll twat 'im one mesel."

Also I have autism, anxiety, asthma, glasses and a large and weirdly shaped enough conk that it hurts and is pretty overwhelming to wear a mask, but I still do because I'm not a selfish bellend. And I feel like in the vast majority of lanyard wankers the desire to be a selfish twat is by far the primary motivating factor over any possible mecical condition.

I am heavily mashing x to doubt when I see people without masks in shops claiming to have a real medical condition that allows them not to because half the time you overhear them loudly and smugly boasting about getting round the rules and how it's all made up.

If someone's COPD was genuinely that bad then they really, really shoukd not be out and about in the middle of a pandemic for their own safety.

# ? Mar 7, 2021 21:04

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Rumda, PM me and I'll buy you the AV of your choice.

Vit P you are a disgusting piece of poo poo and we all know it was you.

Jesus loving Christ.

# ? Mar 7, 2021 21:06

Chubby Henparty: Aug 13, 2007

Ravel posted:

I use 'everyone' or 'all' if I'm addressing a group. It's a bit clunky and sometimes I use 'guys' reflexively. Nobody in the UK says folks or y'all.

Seems like the ideal time to start e.g. 'we tortured some folks'

# ? Mar 7, 2021 21:06

jaete: Jun 21, 2009; Nap Ghost

Ravel posted:

Nobody in the UK says folks or y'all.

I do

_{I'm a bloody foreign bastard though}

# ? Mar 7, 2021 21:08

Pistol_Pete: Sep 15, 2007; Oven Wrangler

kecske posted:

*attenborough voice* without the common pissflaps or vitamin p to unite against, the posting colony quickly turns on itself

Starmer hasn't done anything dumb for a couple of days and we've lost our focus of true hatred.

I'm sure on Monday he'll suspend Diane Abbott or something and things will go back to normal.

# ? Mar 7, 2021 21:09

Angrymog: Jan 30, 2012; Really Madcats

nurmie posted:

It kind of works for admin/non-medical staff (kind of), but I'm not quite sure how this approach would work with anything medical and/or niche/specialist, or for staff retention in situations like "I really like my Band 5 position but after 15 years of doing it my paycheck somehow feels about half of what it was when I started"

The only way a friend of mine managed to get a band 6 role was to go into research nursing, which she doesn't like as much as front line work. She's thinking of signing up to the bank so that she can do the odd clinical shift providing cover.

# ? Mar 7, 2021 21:14

Rumda: Nov 4, 2009; Moth Lesbian Comrade

Nutapii posted:

I wouldnt've bought a BRT, but the twenty page slapfights are fairly commonly instigated by Rumda over the past two months and it's a bit tedious now. Vitamin Ps said gently caress-all wrong, but we're all cooped up and coming out/determining* you're trans literally weeks before lockdown would suck.

*wrong word as it implies choice, but realising seems a bit dismissive of the struggle to get there as well. Discovering?

seriously him personally attacking me because I quoted his post before he fixed a typo was saying nothing wrong?

# ? Mar 7, 2021 21:19

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Nutapii posted:

Vitamin Ps said gently caress-all wrong,

Uhh

# ? Mar 7, 2021 21:24

Ash Crimson: Apr 4, 2010

ThomasPaine posted:

Lads is a gender neutral term and I will not be backing down on this one

settle down hun

# ? Mar 7, 2021 21:29

endlessmonotony: Nov 4, 2009; by Fritz the Horse

Nutapii posted:

Vitamin Ps said gently caress-all wrong

Now I don't, as a general rule, disagree with skipping Vitamin P's posts, but maybe making this statement is a bit too far?

# ? Mar 7, 2021 21:29

Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

Bobby Deluxe posted:

a large and weirdly shaped enough conk

yes, I think we can all empathise with thi- ah. conk. never mind

# ? Mar 7, 2021 21:33

crispix: Mar 28, 2015; Grand-Maman m'a raconté
_{(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)}

Hello, dear

Ravel posted:

I use 'everyone' or 'all' if I'm addressing a group. It's a bit clunky and sometimes I use 'guys' reflexively. Nobody in the UK says folks or y'all.

i say folks all the time, it's a thing here in NI

and here and scotland and also geordies have the plural youse

# ? Mar 7, 2021 21:34

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Is youse not a UK wide thing?

# ? Mar 7, 2021 21:35

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

jaete posted:

I do

_{I'm a bloody foreign bastard though}

My wife is in the UK and does too

_{ok she's from Mississippi but still}

# ? Mar 7, 2021 21:35

stev: Jan 22, 2013; Please be excited.

I use 'all' at work when I'm not accidentally slipping into 'guys'.

# ? Mar 7, 2021 21:35

The Perfect Element: Dec 5, 2005; "This is a bit of a... a poof song"

stev posted:

accidentally slipping into 'guys'.

You can get into a lot of trouble for that.

# ? Mar 7, 2021 21:38

MikeCrotch: Nov 5, 2011; I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

OwlFancier posted:

Is youse not a UK wide thing?

No

I say folks but it's an adopted thing

Saying y'all or all y'all sounds like you are doing a bit so I don't do that

# ? Mar 7, 2021 21:42

ItohRespectArmy: Sep 11, 2019; Cutest In The World, Six Time DDT Ironheavymetalweight champion, Two Time International Princess champion, winner of two tournaments, a Princess Tag Team champion, And a pretty good singer too!
"When I was an idol, I felt nothing every day but now that I'm a pro wrestler I'm in pain constantly!"

OwlFancier posted:

Is youse not a UK wide thing?

nope, should be though.

# ? Mar 7, 2021 22:00

crispix: Mar 28, 2015; Grand-Maman m'a raconté
_{(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)}

Hello, dear

look at these utter wallies https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-56312051

# ? Mar 7, 2021 22:01

happyhippy: Feb 21, 2005; Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup; Pillbug

OwlFancier posted:

Is youse not a UK wide thing?

y', ya, ye, but never youse.

On rare occasions 'ypack' but usually followed by 'of bastards'.

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Party Boat: Nov 1, 2007; where did that other dog come from

who is he

OwlFancier posted:

Is youse not a UK wide thing?

yis in the north east as bobby's said

aal yis if you want to address a big group

# ? Mar 7, 2021 22:06

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