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Residency Evil posted:Same question. Will crawl control help my wife drive over parking blocks at the grocery store? True, maybe its covid but all of a sudden I really want to get into overlanding as a way to decompress
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Koirhor posted:True, maybe its covid but all of a sudden I really want to get into overlanding as a way to decompress  But my Bronco is still more than a year away.
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Koirhor posted:Ya I’m kinda weighing it against a Passport, my issue with the passport is Honda’s dumb as gently caress decision to market it as more off road capable but give it 20 in wheels so I would swap those out immediately loving everything riding on conestoga wagon wheels these days
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Mar 7, 2021 15:44
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Koirhor posted:Dammit I kind of want a 4Runner now, do you think it’s stupid not to get crawl control and kdss? Because otherwise I would just get a base SR5. KDSS significantly improves on-road performance with no effect on off-road performance. The downsides to KDSS is that you're limited to about a 2" lift, and at least around me, KDSS 4Runners that don't cost as much as a GX460, which has KDSS standard, are near-impossible to find.
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Zero One posted:
Only slightly related, I saw a bronco sport the other day and it looks really good in person. I'd still rather have the regular bronco personally, but I was really impressed with it.
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Mar 7, 2021 17:35
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As Nero Danced posted:Only slightly related, I saw a bronco sport the other day and it looks really good in person. I'd still rather have the regular bronco personally, but I was really impressed with it.
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Mar 7, 2021 18:45
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Godzilla07 posted:KDSS significantly improves on-road performance with no effect on off-road performance. The downsides to KDSS is that you're limited to about a 2" lift, and at least around me, KDSS 4Runners that don't cost as much as a GX460, which has KDSS standard, are near-impossible to find. Here’s the follow up to that article: https://www.autoblog.com/2020/06/03/toyota-4runner-suspension-flex-test/ Given that you can still put a 1-2” lift, keep that kind of articulation, AND reduce on-road body roll, KDSS makes a lot of sense. Plus, going up to the off road gets you the locking rear diff.
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Mar 7, 2021 19:53
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As Nero Danced posted:Only slightly related, I saw a bronco sport the other day and it looks really good in person. I'd still rather have the regular bronco personally, but I was really impressed with it. ilkhan posted:Sport is a modern pre-2013 Escape. It's good certainly, but not really a (traditional) Bronco. I sat in, but did not drive, a Bronco Sport. I love my dad’s 2010 Escape and the Bronco does feel similar. It’s much nicer and bigger inside than I thought it would be. Give it a hybrid next update and a more modern infotainment system and it will be a nice competitor to a RAV4, I think.
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Mar 7, 2021 20:07
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I want to go test drive a couple cars this week and part of the dealer's covid protocol is a 15 minute time limit on the drive. What the hell is the point of that?
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Mar 7, 2021 20:32
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prom candy posted:I want to go test drive a couple cars this week and part of the dealer's covid protocol is a 15 minute time limit on the drive. What the hell is the point of that? Drive fast I guess.
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prom candy posted:I want to go test drive a couple cars this week and part of the dealer's covid protocol is a 15 minute time limit on the drive. What the hell is the point of that? The salesperson isn't riding with you, right? What are they going to do, chew you out right as you're deciding if you're going to buy it?
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Mar 7, 2021 20:44
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No they're not riding with me, if they were I wouldn't be going at all. If they think I'm gonna buy a car after one 15-minute test drive they're nuts. We'll see how serious they are when I actually get there. I need 15 minutes just to gently caress around with the infotainment.
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Mar 7, 2021 21:22
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What about Mach-E's? Any of those being delivered yet? They supposedly went on sale already but I haven't seen any on lots or in the wild. I suppose the first year will have some teething issues I just hope they aren't too bad because we want one.
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Mar 7, 2021 21:23
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Applebees Appetizer posted:What about Mach-E's? Any of those being delivered yet? Yea, people have started getting theirs. You can find customer impressions on some of the Mach-E forums and some dealers have them available for test drive. The dealer near me is supposed to get one on the 14th so hopefully I’ll get to test it sometime soon after.
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Mar 7, 2021 21:52
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I just saw a white Mach E at the supermarket in Canada, so definitely out in the wild now.
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smooth jazz posted:I just saw a white Mach E at the supermarket in Canada, so definitely out in the wild now. The first impressions I've seen have been largely positive.
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Mar 7, 2021 22:35
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Saw a bronco sport in traffic today. They’re gonna sell a ton of those stupid things.
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Mar 7, 2021 22:38
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I've seen the Bronco Sport in traffic, but it immediately stood out to me as a Ford Escape successor. I wasn't super impressed by how it looks, but I'm looking forward to seeing the full Bronco. Which means they'll sell a billion Sports.
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Mar 7, 2021 22:47
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PT6A posted:The first impressions I've seen have been largely positive. Yeah I watched Doug Demuro's review and he said it's better than a Tesla in almost every regard which is good news. I'm just worried about first Model Year issues because Ford's track record with that isn't great.
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Mar 7, 2021 22:55
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I find myself tempted by a 2DR Bronco with the V6 but I don’t trust Ford reliability and don’t have any reason to get an off-road capable vehicle because the worst roads I’ve ever been on were just gravel roads to remote parking lots. If Toyota came out with an FJ Cruiser that didn’t look dorky and tried to be as close to the old Landcruisers as possible then all bets are off.
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Mar 7, 2021 23:11
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Applebees Appetizer posted:Yeah I watched Doug Demuro's review and he said it's better than a Tesla in almost every regard which is good news. Well, they can't gently caress up the headgasket this time...
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Mar 7, 2021 23:15
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Applebees Appetizer posted:I'm just worried about first Model Year issues because Ford's track record with that isn't great. This is absolutely a reason not to be a Mach E early adopter. The new Explorer has been a mess, and that was a much more conventional vehicle. Once they shake the issues out, the Mach E can be a tesla with way better build quality.
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Mar 7, 2021 23:36
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KillHour posted:Well, they can't gently caress up the headgasket this time... Yeah or the automatic transmission like with the Focus. Will probably be mostly software issues I suppose but that's still a pain in the dick if they can't get it right
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Mar 7, 2021 23:38
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Ford may be especially spotty on first year runs, but it's just generally good practice to never buy the first year of any new model of any kind of complicated consumer product.
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Mar 7, 2021 23:39
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Kraftwerk posted:I find myself tempted by a 2DR Bronco with the V6 but I don’t trust Ford reliability and don’t have any reason to get an off-road capable vehicle because the worst roads I’ve ever been on were just gravel roads to remote parking lots. Ahh but the Land Rover Defender 90, will be fun while its under warranty I suppose
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Mar 7, 2021 23:56
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Applebees Appetizer posted:Yeah I watched Doug Demuro's review TBH I wouldnt take Demuro's word on even if the sky was blue. Granted the Mach-E otherwise has been getting some good words outside of him but nothing saying it's better than a Tesla mostly.
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Even a Ford is better than a Tesla in almost every meaningful way.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:TBH I wouldnt take Demuro's word on even if the sky was blue. Granted the Mach-E otherwise has been getting some good words outside of him but nothing saying it's better than a Tesla mostly. I heard an English Youtuber whose name I can't remember say a similar thing. Tesla are in a very similar position to Apple a few years back: they broke a lot of new ground and became wildly popular as a result, but they also made significant mistakes that turned off a lot of people, and once other manufacturers catch up with regards to the new ground they broke, they're not in a particularly enviable position. Not dead by any means, but not as seemingly out of reach as they once were. And, with regards to Fords 1st-year issues, I have to imagine they spent more time than average making sure they got this one just right in a way that would make me trust it more than a first-year Bronco or something.
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Wheeee posted:Even a Ford is better than a Tesla in almost every meaningful way.
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PT6A posted:I heard an English Youtuber whose name I can't remember say a similar thing. Tesla are in a very similar position to Apple a few years back: they broke a lot of new ground and became wildly popular as a result, but they also made significant mistakes that turned off a lot of people, and once other manufacturers catch up with regards to the new ground they broke, they're not in a particularly enviable position. Not dead by any means, but not as seemingly out of reach as they once were. This is a decent analogy. Tesla does have one major thing going for them: They don’t have the GM or Ford dealer structure between them and their customers. Owning a Tesla has been a shockingly pleasant experience compared to owning a new GM product.
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Rusty posted:I think the Tesla charging network is still leagues ahead of electrify America or whatever the other charging vendors are and I would call that pretty meaningful. That was where he said Telsa has the advantage but that's it. Build quality of the Ford overall is better Plus Ford has actual real service centers everywhere that you can just drive your car to imagine that!
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Residency Evil posted:I've seen the Bronco Sport in traffic, but it immediately stood out to me as a Ford Escape successor. I wasn't super impressed by how it looks, but I'm looking forward to seeing the full Bronco. Like all crossovers, if they pay the bills so automakers still make cool things then sell away.
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Applebees Appetizer posted:That was where he said Telsa has the advantage but that's it. Build quality of the Ford overall is better
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To be fair tho, the network doesn't really matter much if you're mostly charging at home and not traveling outside of it's range much. For us, if we got a Mach-e that would be a non factor.
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Same, I'm considering the GT when it comes out and am really ignoring all the complaints about EA. If want to go more than a 120 miles in a day I'm likely to just drive our ICE vehicle than worry about a 30 minute to hour stop at this point. Charging infrastructure for me is only going to matter when we're at the point of going all electric which is at least 3, likely more, years away. I do enjoy the schadenfreude of VW somehow utilizing the charging network they built worse than their competitors though.
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I understand nothing about the subject but I just want to wade in and say the idea of proprietary charging networks loving sucks. Imagine if you had to find the right gas station for your brand of car.
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prom candy posted:I understand nothing about the subject but I just want to wade in and say the idea of proprietary charging networks loving sucks. Imagine if you had to find the right gas station for your brand of car. Only in America, Teslas in Europe somehow use the same standards over there as all the other electric cars, weird
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prom candy posted:I understand nothing about the subject but I just want to wade in and say the idea of proprietary charging networks loving sucks. Imagine if you had to find the right gas station for your brand of car. If you fill it up with inferior electrons, it will void your warranty.
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I wonder if Tesla would make more money licensing their superior charging network to other manufacturers? Or is it better to keep it for themselves?
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