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You say that but on the other hand maybe the palace smelling like tanning leather is also part of the intimidation factor. Let visiting dignitaries know exactly what will happen to them if they step out of line. Same as the sculptures of kings one handed choke-slamming lions into the sand.
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Tanning is a gross and smelly process but the end result is more pleasing than raw flesh.
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Maybe the kings palace was just behind the tanning factory? I suppose human leather is just as good as lamb skin for stuff who knows I’m not Buffalo Bill.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Tanning is super duper gross. Brain, liver, fat, salt rubbing gross. You're forgetting the periods inbetween with piss, poo poo and probably anthrax. Usually on the major water course through a large city, too. Crab Dad posted:Maybe the kings palace was just behind the tanning factory? I suppose human leather is just as good as lamb skin for stuff who knows I’m not Buffalo Bill. Apparently human leather is tricky to make. I need to find the source, but I'm pretty sure I've read our skin is a bit delicate for good leather making.
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Mar 8, 2021 07:43
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Elissimpark posted:Apparently human leather is tricky to make. I need to find the source, but I'm pretty sure I've read our skin is a bit delicate for good leather making. I am sure they were very good at it. Or the poor guy in charge of it if he was not very good at it, would shortly learn the practical side of the theory by his replacement.
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I don't think human skin is particularly difficult to tan, it's just that it's thin and low-strength even after tanning. It makes poor leathergoods. But if all you want to do is stretch it on a display rack then that's easy.
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Mar 8, 2021 10:22
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how does it go for making parchment?
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Big Willy Style posted:how does it go for making parchment? The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Ask/Tell > Roman/ancient history: How does human skin go for making parchment?
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Wandering through Rijeka trying to find the old romans ruins.  Well still kinda cool I guess.
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Big Willy Style posted:how does it go for making parchment? Dunno, but it gets used to bind books, time to time. There was a bit of a fad during the Reign of Terror. Anthropodermic bibliopegy, what a wonderful phrase!
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Elissimpark posted:There was a bit of a fad during the Reign of Terror. There was a surplus of extra skin I guess.
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Elissimpark posted:Dunno, but it gets used to bind books, time to time. There was a bit of a fad during the Reign of Terror. Bookbinding can be done with much softer leather eg. Morocco because it's just covering the boards
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Lawman 0 posted:Haha what he immediately died? It's very cool. Dude basically moved the capital to Rome, almost immediately there were a bunch of Roman aristocrats who threw him out, so he ran off to northern Italy, chilled there for a bit, and when he was marching to retake his new capital, he croaked of some weird illness. By all accounts (most?) he was pretty capable and was only 21, so it's another fun what-if on what the early HRE was trying to accomplish.
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Yeah contemporary sources say he got wrecked by malaria, which is entirely plausible for a medieval person going to Italy for the first time.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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We were talking about mortality in the Roman army a week or two ago, archaeologists in Bulgaria recently discovered a marble gravestone that shows a man who served 44 years in the Roman army. https://twitter.com/archaeologymag/status/1368244992439853067
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CrypticFox posted:We were talking about mortality in the Roman army a week or two ago, archaeologists in Bulgaria recently discovered a marble gravestone that shows a man who served 44 years in the Roman army. Probably one if those supply sergeants that just seem to fossilise into the role.
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Elissimpark posted:Dunno, but it gets used to bind books, time to time. There was a bit of a fad during the Reign of Terror. You might uh need to be a bit more specific, lots of reigns of terror in history 
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feedmegin posted:You might uh need to be a bit more specific, lots of reigns of terror in history That's the French Reign of Terror.
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It's only a Reign of Terror if it's from the Terreur region of France otherwise it's just sparkling massacres.
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I meant to ask this back when the roman army thing was in this thread and the latin equivalent of a medical discharge came up- if you failed to serve out your full 25 years as a legionary because, say, a dacian cut off your legs, did you get any sort of pension or did you just get hosed like what happened in later Europe?
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The Lone Badger posted:Probably one if those supply sergeants that just seem to fossilise into the role. The original Rickover.
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Did the Romans have civilian military contractors? Will archeologists someday discover the impossibly baffling ruins of the Domus Grover?
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load-bearing papyrus
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Centurio stipendium gradu est mihi
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Beamed posted:load-bearing papyrus Thread title please
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FreudianSlippers posted:Did the Romans have civilian military contractors? Slaves?
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Roman garrisons contracted local farmers for meat and produce.
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Well What Now posted:Roman garrisons contracted local farmers for meat and produce. Yeah there were big parts of their military logistics chains that were privately contracted.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I meant to ask this back when the roman army thing was in this thread and the latin equivalent of a medical discharge came up- if you failed to serve out your full 25 years as a legionary because, say, a dacian cut off your legs, did you get any sort of pension or did you just get hosed like what happened in later Europe? Yes. This was called missio causaria. You had to be medically certified as too injured to continue serving, and you received a prorated pension depending on your length of service. But it was considered honorable discharge.
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How well established was contract law in Rome? Could parties enforce terms of a private contract in the courts? Who determined who was a slave if, say, slave and owner disagreed? They didn't sell stocks (as far as I know), which were how some medieval merchant vessel routes were funded, and many of the colonies in the Americas were also founded as joint stock companies, which I assume was mostly a scaling up of the former agreement to cover a big swathe of land and a lot more investors. But I've seen some people claim Societas Publicanorum were an early movement in that direction.
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Fuschia tude posted:How well established was contract law in Rome? Could parties enforce terms of a private contract in the courts? Who determined who was a slave if, say, slave and owner disagreed? They did sort of have stocks. A lot of merchant trips would be funded by a bunch of people buying the equivalent of a share and getting paid out at the end. I've seen people saying that the Roman version is totally different from a joint stock company but never an explanation why, to my non-economist eyes the only difference is joint stock companies were permanent but Roman ones usually (but not always) just formed for a single job and then disbanded. Romans did have a shitload of contract law and it filled a lot of court time. I don't know it in detail but the Code of Justinian is available online: https://droitromain.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr/Anglica/codjust_Scott.htm Just skimming through the subjects there's a lot about slave ownership and property in there, and since the code was compiled from the precedents that Roman law revolved around, you can assume those sorts of cases came up a lot.
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Grand Fromage posted:Yes. This was called missio causaria. You had to be medically certified as too injured to continue serving, and you received a prorated pension depending on your length of service. But it was considered honorable discharge. Wait, so a young legionary who takes an arrow to the knee in his first battle is kinda screwed because he doesn't have much length of service? That's an oof.
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aphid_licker posted:Wait, so a young legionary who takes an arrow to the knee in his first battle is kinda screwed because he doesn't have much length of service? That's an oof. Quite possibly. I don't know if there was a minimum pension for medical discharge, far as I can tell we don't have a ton of information about it.
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Grand Fromage posted:Quite possibly. I don't know if there was a minimum pension for medical discharge, far as I can tell we don't have a ton of information about it. It's probably one of these things people at the time considered to be really obvious, so not many people bothered writing it down.
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Well What Now posted:Roman garrisons contracted local farmers for meat and produce. What happened if a local farmer said no?
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I think under normal circumstances, soldiers were paid money with which to buy food, rather than being given rations directly. And there were always a horde of merchants looking to part those soldiers from their money. There's a passage in Caesar during his African campaign where he talks about the lengths he went to to make sure the food merchants sold to his army instead of his enemy's army.
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FuturePastNow posted:What happened if a local farmer said no? they probably kicked his rear end op. There are basically constant stream of complaints, petitions and legislation about soldiers abusing normal people because they wanted to. The Greek word used for the practice of soldiers seeking free poo poo with menaces is “diaseismos”, literally “shaking down”. It was so obvious a “solution” that it could be invoked as a commonplace. Epictetus posted:You ought to treat your whole body like a poor loaded-down donkey, as long as it is possible, as long as it is allowed; and if it be commandeered and a soldier lay hold of it, let it go, do not resist nor grumble. If you do, you will get a beating and lose your little donkey just the same. This is also the implicit context of Jesus telling people to go the extra mile. skasion fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Mar 9, 2021 |
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I understand the Neo-Assyrian empire was the first major user of iron weapons. It was also the bigger than any previous empire, with the only others in the same ballpark being the Shang, the Hyksos and New Kingdom Egypt, which was just unified Egypt and the Levant coast. I can't help but think their unification of so many different previous empires was a result of being able to equip so many more soldiers because of this use of iron. Also dry rawhide isn't particularly smelly.
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Weka posted:I understand the Neo-Assyrian empire was the first major user of iron weapons. It was also the bigger than any previous empire, with the only others in the same ballpark being the Shang, the Hyksos and New Kingdom Egypt, which was just unified Egypt and the Levant coast. I can't help but think their unification of so many different previous empires was a result of being able to equip so many more soldiers because of this use of iron.
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