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azflyboy posted:There's a walk around, but it can only cover what the crew can see from the ground, which doesn't include the tops of the wings, and on a lot of airplanes, the wings are essentially invisible from the flight deck unless you stick your head out a side window. When they hit the planes did they say at least our rampers didn’t steal one?
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Much like that incident, management really doesn't care if a Q400 gets damaged. When they hit an E-175, then heads rolled.
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Having flown in both planes as a passenger I guess I can understand that 
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azflyboy posted:There's a walk around, but All these limits to what we can see are true, but they still don't dig down to the real point behind how his question interacts with this incident. The walkaround happens before de/anti-icing, (that is, before we strap in and push back and start the engines and taxi out) so even if a cursory glance from inside the terminal (much less the walkaround itself) reveals that we're buried in snow, the response is a mildly annoyed quip between the FO and CA that yup, we're going through deice on the taxi-out. At the end of the deice, it is the deicing crew that does the real contamination inspection, while the engines are running, door is closed and crew are in their seats. This is confirmed by some bullshit fig leaf of "representative surfaces" (usually the windshield wiper posts and maybe the foot or few feet of outer wing that you may be able to see from the cockpit) but it's largely a matter of professional and official trust between the flight crew and other trained personnel in the industry. (Like we have with the mechanics doing their jobs mechanically, dispatchers doing their job with the weight+balance and performance data and other dispatch functions, FA's keeping the cabin safe and legal, and deicers... well you get the point) In this case, the flight attendant that threw the red flag deserves major kudos.
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hobbesmaster posted:Don’t lots of wide bodies have cameras?
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hobbesmaster posted:When they hit the planes did they say at least our rampers didn’t steal one? hehehe
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azflyboy posted:Much like that incident, management really doesn't care if a Q400 gets damaged. When they hit an E-175, then heads rolled. Q400s like it rough
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slidebite posted:What if the camera is blocked by the snow and ice?? Then the plane clearly wasn't de-iced.
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Do they use the de-icing process to clear a foot of snow off the wings, or do they use a broom or something?
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smackfu posted:Do they use the de-icing process to clear a foot of snow off the wings, or do they use a broom or something?
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I have always wondered why airplanes don't just have cameras that look at the wings and engines. It would only require a small hole and protrusion at the upper fuselage and minimal expense equipment. I bet those recent United Airlines pilots would have found them valuable.
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That’s a lot more complexity and cost than you’d think for something that would rarely, if ever, be needed.
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C'mon, Micheal, it's only a tiny inspection drone that lives in a tiny garage on the fuselage. How much can it possibly cost to get FAA - certificated? $10,000,000?
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What is the de-icing fluid even made of? Is it horrible toxic stuff or pretty benign, given the volume that prob gets washed down the drains.
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monkeytennis posted:What is the de-icing fluid even made of? Is it horrible toxic stuff or pretty benign, given the volume that prob gets washed down the drains. red de-ice fluid is glycol green anti-ice fluid is black magic splooge e: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deicing_fluid
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Cojawfee posted:Then the plane clearly wasn't de-iced. 
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e.pilot posted:black magic splooge I know we just changed the thread title, but can I get next? TIA E: Non-Newtonian Splooge
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slidebite posted:How have I not heard of a push/pull Cessna? The things the 70s have to show you! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shUk8RIdy0g&t=180s
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monkeytennis posted:What is the de-icing fluid even made of? Is it horrible toxic stuff or pretty benign, given the volume that prob gets washed down the drains. The two main kinds of glycol used in deicing aren't terribly toxic unless you directly ingest them, but since glycol consumes a lot of oxygen when it breaks down, you don't want it getting into bodies of water, so most large airports have deicing pads designed with a drain system that sends the used fluid to be collected, filtered, and eventually reused. Deicing fluid is also expensive (Type IV is somewhere north of $20/gallon), so there's also an economic incentive to try and recover it, since the glycol can be resold to manufacturers.
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All I know about deicing fluid is it's real slippery and if you cruise through a freshly coated gate on a tug and time an e-brake power slide over the wet j-line you can pretty much do a 360 spin drat near throwing you out of the seat. Sometimes the night shift on the ramp had its perks.
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AzureSkys posted:All I know about deicing fluid is it's real slippery and if you cruise through a freshly coated gate on a tug and time an e-brake power slide over the wet j-line you can pretty much do a 360 spin drat near throwing you out of the seat. I'd been flying 737-200's in and out of Chicago Midway for a few years, but the 737-800 was a gargantuan beast in comparison. I was the FO on a really lovely, snowy February night and the (relatively new) Captain briefed a MAX autobrake, full reverse landing in spite of all the GOOD braking reports from Southwest crews. Understand that MAX autobraking is really violent and is not used unless necessary to avoid passenger and FA complaints. We touch down in the zone and he gets right on the reversers, but we are NOT decelerating anywhere close to what i was expecting. Watching the end of 31C getting closer and closer we finally slow down enough to turn off at the end (95% of aircraft make the right high-speed). I think we were both in a state of increased alertness (loving scared shitless). I told the tower we had POOR braking, the report of which was revised by the next Southwest lander as "GOOD". SMH After one more uneventful flight to the RON we were at the hotel bar having a couple and he asks, "Got a little close to the end of 31C back there, didn't we?" I'm like, "Yeah, I wondered why you kicked off the autobrakes after we touched down." He says, "I never touched them until we turned off at the end. I was freaking out because we weren't slowing down, but didn't want to interrupt them and go manual." The reason for this story is to illustrate one of the problems with Type IV anti ice fluid. To work properly the layer of monkey-cum is supposed to slide off the wing and tail in one glob as the aircraft accelerates past 84 knots taking any accumulated snow and ice with it. This is why Type IV is not approved for aircraft with lower T/O speeds - like smaller turboprops and light jets. At MDW because of the short runways everybody rotates for takeoff at pretty much the same place. When Type IV anti icing is going on, all that slimy poo poo sloughs off the wing at one spot on the runway, about 1500 feet from the end. This is where you want traction on landing the most yet in spite of chemical treatment, grooved runway surfaces and energy transfer from braking of bloated, 60's-era certified aircraft it was where it was the worst. Non-newtonian splooge, indeed.
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Olivier Dassault's helicopter crashed. Killed him and the pilot.
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ausgezeichnet posted:To work properly the layer of monkey-cum is supposed to slide off the wing and tail in one glob as the aircraft accelerates past 84 knots taking any accumulated snow and ice with it. If there's any accumulated snow or ice on it, that means the fluid has failed and the airplane should have gotten de/anti iced again. Granted, I've only been trained under 2 deice programs under 2 operators, but this strikes me as a universal type thing that isn't gonna be different from one or another.
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I thought for sure that story was going to have a punchline about southwest thinking any landing that stops short of the fence being “good” at MDW.
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vessbot posted:If there's any accumulated snow or ice on it, that means the fluid has failed and the airplane should have gotten de/anti iced again. Precip is absorbed in the Type IV until it gets diluted to the point of failure. This is why there is the guidance that if the Type IV becomes dull or discolored you are supposed to deice and reapply Type IV. hobbesmaster posted:I thought for sure that story was going to have a punchline about southwest thinking any landing that stops short of the fence being “good” at MDW. There was a lot on animosity with the ATA pilots about Southwest being reckless in their operations at MDW. We would frequently divert for landing performance while the cowboys would land one after another. Part of this was us flying the -800 which was quite a bit heavier, part of it was SWA having the OBC (or whatever it was called) shaving margins beyond what we could to with book data, part of it was hubris. It worked fine for them until 12/08/05.
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I sat next to my boss while she fielded private pilot level questions from the chief training dude at Southwest when they started up some routes into uncontrolled ski country airports like HDN and MTJ. Southwest has been making some moves out here picking up quite a few ski country flights and they're adding 15 flights a day in/out of COS as well.
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Some dude got bored and decided to make some AvGeek fantasy porn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFQiqvDGhfk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JUcHFQc8IA And why not stealth AAMs? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNladdRhJxw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sklLU8PJknc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0mZRiDVFpU
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I went flying with a friend yesterday, and I still love the Pitts. We had weather in the low 40s, but decided to climb up to altitude, which meant that the cockpit was really cold, our breath was a solid white color. It's been in the 20s for a couple months here, so I have only been squeezing in a flight or two a month. (here's an image from a couple months ago that I didn't post)The annual inspection is scheduled for next week, and it's a big one. The plane hadn't flown a lot when I bought it, and the price reflected that. Lycomings are notorious for getting rust on the cams if they sit, because the cams sit out of the oil. If that happens, it'll be expensive, so I'm doing an oil analysis and pulling the oil screens at this annual and seeing if my gamble paid off, or if I'm paying for an engine rebuild this year. I called some engine shops and talked to friends before buying this plane, and it sounds like the 200hp angle valve 4 cylinder engine in the S-2A costs as much as the 260hp parallel valve 6 cylinders in the S-2B to rebuild, but knowing that won't be much consolation if this is the year I pay $30k for a rebuild. Little overpowered biplanes are fun.
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wzm posted:
 Did you go flying with the Stearman? Someone get you guys some gopros, stat.
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wzm posted:The annual inspection is scheduled for next week, and it's a big one. The plane hadn't flown a lot when I bought it, and the price reflected that. Lycomings are notorious for getting rust on the cams if they sit, because the cams sit out of the oil. If that happens, it'll be expensive, so I'm doing an oil analysis and pulling the oil screens at this annual and seeing if my gamble paid off, or if I'm paying for an engine rebuild this year. I called some engine shops and talked to friends before buying this plane, and it sounds like the 200hp angle valve 4 cylinder engine in the S-2A costs as much as the 260hp parallel valve 6 cylinders in the S-2B to rebuild, but knowing that won't be much consolation if this is the year I pay $30k for a rebuild. Scoot on over to that cessna with the engine missing and see if you can't get the engine from the other side. That'd make the little biplane peppy. Might have to rejigger the weight and balance some.
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MrYenko posted:
The Stearman is put away for another few weeks, but I think the weather will be good enough for it soon. I don't need to expose my poor flying to the entire internet, but the Pitts is set up with gopro mounts. They are useful for figuring out how you screwed up a figure after the fact, but also for showing off poor decision making and bad technique.
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An insane close call https://www.instagram.com/p/CL1zzyppX5r/
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`Nemesis posted:An insane close call considering this is the Brazilian air force demo team I’m going to assume this was an intentional maneuver for an air show
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e.pilot posted:considering this is the Brazilian air force demo team I’m going to assume this was an intentional maneuver for an air show I didn’t see any bizjets, so probably?
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Yeah but so was this (this is apparently the Brazilian Supreme Court building). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eoTqLnL0WI
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Godholio posted:Yeah but so was this (this is apparently the Brazilian Supreme Court building). osha worthy
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`Nemesis posted:An insane close call this is intentional. Godholio posted:Yeah but so was this (this is apparently the Brazilian Supreme Court building). this was not - apparently it wasn't supersonic but the pilot was going faster than he was supposed to for the altitude (he also had to pay for part of the repairs lol)
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PCjr sidecar posted:I didn’t see any bizjets, so probably?  This is the content I come here for.
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