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I install Void on an old thinkpad and have been playing around with it for the last week, it's really cool. I like that you can just completely throw out all GNU software. I would 100% recommend it over Arch because it's a lot speedier to boot (uses runit instead of systemd) and hasn't broken on me quite yet, so I'm gonna go ahead and say it's probably more stable. Passive ram usage is like 100MB with my current config, which is way better than what I ever got with Arch. Dont Touch ME fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Mar 9, 2021 |
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infernal machines posted:but why? that is the "standard" layout for linux full disk encryption i used btrfs instead of ext4 or xfs for /boot and / because i want every-boot atomic snapshots (done in the initrd, not when anything is actually running) of all subvolumes, to do incremental btrfs send/receive for backups
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I wouldn't trust btrfs with encryption, either. I mean, you could certainly encrypt two separate partitions and completely do away with lvm but I don't see the point.
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the only data loss i have encountered with btrfs (which seemed to be because of a filesystem issue/bug) was indeed inside a luks container, under kernel 3.2, which means ubuntu 12.04, so 8 or 9 years ago, btrfs has otherwise been extremely stable for me
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Insanite posted:silverblue is neat. I’ve been trialing it in a VM over the last couple of months, and I think I might give it a shot for real, soon. Do you use toolboxes for the apps that don't have flatpaks and install them in toolbox containers or use rpm-ostree? I'm surprised they haven't built in an automated method to create toolbox environments, install the app via rpm within the toolbox, and then create the .desktop file so it shows in the users app list. Right now it's a manual process for each app you want to do this way if it's not available via flatpak. You also have to go into each toolbox you create and manually run rpm if you want to update the app in each. Not the best experience for the end user.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Do you use toolboxes for the apps that don't have flatpaks and install them in toolbox containers or use rpm-ostree? yeah, it’s the former so far. it’s not ideal, but I’d imagine that better experiences are in the pipeline. they seem to be moving pretty fast with it.
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Nitrousoxide posted:My main complaints with Fedora 33 were: Where is this stuff about not being able to copy and paste in Wayland coming from? Just hit control c and control v dude.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Do you use toolboxes for the apps that don't have flatpaks and install them in toolbox containers or use rpm-ostree? Jesus loving Christ what the gently caress is all of this. what the gently caress are you fuckers even doing
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Satire Forum Mom posted:Where is this stuff about not being able to copy and paste in Wayland coming from? Just hit control c and control v dude. They're confusing the highlight text / middle-click to insert thing (what X11 calls PRIMARY) with copy and paste (what X11 calls CLIPBOARD). There's an option in TweakUI to turn it back on.
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I mentioned it a lot earlier in this thread but I had issues in Fedora where every other kernel update would mess with the display driver so actually I would advocate for Ubuntu as a decent alternative to Fedora
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sb hermit posted:I mentioned it a lot earlier in this thread but I had issues in Fedora where every other kernel update would mess with the display driver so actually I would advocate for Ubuntu as a decent alternative to Fedora i have heard that ubuntu sucks eggs though
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Nomnom Cookie posted:Jesus loving Christ what the gently caress is all of this. what the gently caress are you fuckers even doing welcome to the future of computing where nobody codes new software, they just code new ways to deal with dependency management
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hbag posted:i have heard that ubuntu sucks eggs though There are a lot of ubuntu users. So there are a lot of people sucking eggs. You can join the crowd if you just want stuff to work now, then maybe try to tweak it into something that suits you better. At least the hardware is likely to work. You can try kubuntu, also. Some people in this thread would recommend it.
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hbag posted:i have heard that ubuntu sucks eggs though its ok. no real reason to use it over debian though
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mycophobia posted:its ok. no real reason to use it over debian though debian doesnt like my laptop for some reason installed it and then it just kinda hangs on a black screen with a flashing cursor as if it's waiting to do something but then never does (pre-fedora) although maybe that mightve just been my SSD? idk
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hbag posted:i have heard that ubuntu sucks eggs though did u hear this from ur dad? quick q... does your dad have strong opinions about the importance of dress shoes and the unconstitutionality of child protection laws
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hbag posted:debian doesnt like my laptop for some reason could be. i'd try it again just in case when your shits unfucked
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PCjr sidecar posted:did u hear this from ur dad? quick q... does your dad have strong opinions about the importance of dress shoes and the unconstitutionality of child protection laws no i heard it on #yospos which i soon left after someone tried to convince me that andy ngo is a good guy and my dad is cool as gently caress and runs his own small company fixing other people's terrible code
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hbag posted:i have heard that ubuntu sucks eggs though so does distro hopping. stop with the foreplay and just install arch already.
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Dont Touch ME posted:so does distro hopping. stop with the foreplay and just install arch already. i dont quite hate myself that much yet
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If you really wanna give your new nvme a workout, once it's replaced, you should try gentoo. this is a serious post but whether or not you want to stick with gentoo after everything is installed is up to you
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pseudorandom name posted:They're confusing the highlight text / middle-click to insert thing (what X11 calls PRIMARY) with copy and paste (what X11 calls CLIPBOARD). There's an option in TweakUI to turn it back on. I am among the neckbeardiest of Linux touchers, but I still think the highlight/middle-click UI concept is very lame and dumb. Keyboard shortcuts are much better for this. Who came up with it in the first place? And who came up with the completely lunatic idea of having multiple invisible copy/paste buffers, guaranteeing confusion for decades to come? X isn't that early (1984); weren't there existing conventions for this in the first TUI PC applications? Hell, Emacs existed and did this better. Edit: I guess maybe it's because early X11 was mostly about running a bunch of xterms simultaneously, most copy/paste was about copying from one xterm to another, and they didn't want to steal keyboard shortcuts from whatever was running in the xterms? Still dumb. And they could have stuck to a single selection even if they wanted to cater to this dumb thing. Athas fucked around with this message at 11:05 on Mar 9, 2021 |
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Nomnom Cookie posted:Jesus loving Christ what the gently caress is all of this. what the gently caress are you fuckers even doing the future the most immaculate janitoring possible
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Satire Forum Mom posted:Where is this stuff about not being able to copy and paste in Wayland coming from? Just hit control c and control v dude. I don't know my dude, when I was messing around in Fedora 33 I was able to control C and control v within the same window. But if I tried to control C some text and then go to another window and control v it just wouldn't put it in. I didn't matter if it was a terminal window or another text entry window so it wasn't an issue with the weird terminal shortcuts.
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am i brain damaged or doesnt copying something to the clipboard usually just save it as a special file in your temp folder if not it loving should, that just makes sense if it does, how do you gently caress that up?
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i select + middle-click paste dozens of times per day, including multiple times within the last 15 minutes or so 
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Insanite posted:the future I can't wait to get to the day when I can run a docker instance from within a fedora silver blue toolbox within a fedora virtual machine across the network being run on proxmox being accessed by an out-of-date Ubuntu.
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hbag posted:am i brain damaged or doesnt copying something to the clipboard usually just save it as a special file in your temp folder nah, if it was designed today that might make more sense, but it is built in a pretty complex way partially for historical reasons and partially because it can actually do things which that implementation wouldn't cover. in ye olde memory-constrained and slow-disked days the clipboard was a whole little ipc dance where the copying application just registered itself as owning the clipboard, onto which was added the system in some way taking ownership of content from applications closing, and stuff like content types (i.e. requesting the copied content as formatted text or as an image of a certain format). the latter you'd struggle to do with just writing it out as a file, but arguably it is a pretty dumb idea anyway since there are very few cases of interest. still, some cases are no doubt needed, as you'd e.g. want to be able to copy cells in excel and have them both possible to return to excel without losing any of their properties, and to toss into a dumb text editor as raw text. Cybernetic Vermin fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Mar 9, 2021 |
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hbag posted:debian doesnt like my laptop for some reason Getting some extreme Nvidia energies from this post.
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hbag posted:no i heard it on #yospos which i soon left after someone tried to convince me that andy ngo is a good guy there is very little overlap between IRC yospos and the forums at this point
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Antigravitas posted:Getting some extreme Nvidia energies from this post. my laptop's a dell G3 15 3500 which does have a nvidia graphics card
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hbag posted:my laptop's a dell G3 15 3500 which does have a nvidia graphics card congratulations, you've identified why your laptop won't work in approximately half of all distros nouveau is a huge piece of poo poo that barely works on a lot of things, and the nvidia non-free kernel will break constantly on update. any given features, including outputting anything to the screen may or may not work, pretty much at random. and nouveau is perfectly capable of causing random kernel panics on working hardware good luck.
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the best thing you could possibly do is completely disable the discrete gpu and face to intel integrated graphics. because that at least will work everywhere or use ubuntu non-free, because at least that will just work out of the box
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i'm pretty sure i made fun of guix earlier but ive been using it as a package manager on my ubuntu machine (to make installing guile libraries easier lol) and it's actually really good? wtf.
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alright and if i dont want to completely lobotomise my laptop by not using the graphics card what are my options just ubuntu?
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hbag posted:alright and if i dont want to completely lobotomise my laptop by not using the graphics card what are my options probably any distro can be made to work, but tbqh if you want to get on with actually using your computer at this point (which would seem the reasonable reaction), make just ubuntu and move on to other matters.
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hbag posted:alright and if i dont want to completely lobotomise my laptop by not using the graphics card what are my options It will work with any distro, it's just about whether the distro is preconfigured to work out of the box. For example I set up working graphics by booting Ubuntu, looking at the xorg config and kernel drivers, then copying those to another distro that didn't have out of the box support. I would also say it's worth trying the latest kernel version. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/hybrid_graphics
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:probably any distro can be made to work, but tbqh if you want to get on with actually using your computer at this point (which would seem the reasonable reaction), make just ubuntu and move on to other matters. yup. assuming the thing you plan to use your computer for isn't just loving with linux, pick a distro that has working non-free drivers and ideally packages for whatever tools you need and just get on with things. that may very well be ubuntu or some downstream distro, but whatever, you're making a workstation on a laptop, you're probably not going to be hosting services for anything anyone else uses
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