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Trash Ops posted:lol at the guy who thought tiananmen square wasn’t real, like you can counter cartoonish villain depictions of china w/o just making poo poo up exactly. china can still be bad even if the tiananmen square massacre never happened, which it didnt.
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Trash Ops posted:lol at the guy who thought tiananmen square wasn’t real, like you can counter cartoonish villain depictions of china w/o just making poo poo up i prefer to take the position that the square itself isnt real
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trash racoon: zizek slajov posted:In the Critique of Cynical Reasoning, a great bestseller in Germany (Sloterdijk, 1983), Peter Sloterdijk puts forward the thesis that ideology's dominant mode of functioning is cynical which renders impossible - or, more precisely, vain - the classical critical-ideological procedure. The cynical subject is quite aware of the distance between the ideological mask and the social reality, but he none the less still insists upon the mask.
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Mar 9, 2021 18:28
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gently caress you china isn't really socialist
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Flavius Aetass posted:anyway just to clarify the line, because it will continue to get more complicated as this ramps up in the news cycle, it is the position of the mod team that what has been happening in Xinjiang province for decades is akin to cultural genocide and that it is Really Bad to deny that. someone who does not have 4 bans in two months will probably not be treated the same as someone who does.
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Mar 9, 2021 18:39
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Mar 9, 2021 18:41
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lol’n at the mods developing and enforcing a Line in the orthodox democratic centralist mode but the Line being US State Department talking points
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Mar 9, 2021 18:43
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weird how the forums went to poo poo after the anti-revisionist admin was forced out 
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Mar 9, 2021 18:44
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Raskolnikov38 posted:weird how the forums went to poo poo after the anti-revisionist admin was forced out ahem. anti-r-wordist admin.
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Mar 9, 2021 18:48
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Raskolnikov38 posted:weird how the forums went to poo poo after the anti-revisionist admin was forced out Dengist sabotage strikes again
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Mar 9, 2021 18:49
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Got the newest issue of monthly review yesterday  Theres some articles about china in the issue, and im going to read them
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Mar 9, 2021 18:55
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Algund Eenboom posted:Got the newest issue of monthly review yesterday But are they real?
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comedyblissoption posted:what is the mod position on denying obama massively expanded concentration camps, mass caged children in abhorrent conditions, separated children from their parents, and then handed all this over to trump on top of starting a genocide in yemen idk I guess I'll have to come up with something at the moment if I ever see anyone in C-SPAM defending Obama for this
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Mar 9, 2021 18:57
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Flavius Aetass posted:idk I guess I'll have to come up with something at the moment if I ever see anyone in C-SPAM defending Obama for this pffft, sure. but will you denounce the perfidious mods of d&d? in solidarity with... d&d as far as i can tell tbh i dont keep close track
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Mar 9, 2021 19:02
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Flavius Aetass posted:that bring said, a post like gradenko's which limits itself to criticism of a particular source, is not something that I would take moderation action on an interesting line to take when every source on the subject is like the same three identical NGOs and adrian zenz
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Mar 9, 2021 19:08
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Flavius Aetass posted:idk I guess I'll have to come up with something at the moment if I ever see anyone in C-SPAM defending Obama for this real weird how this particular atrocity isn't one that requires an unified mod front and standardized action to punish denialists. wonder why that might be.
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Mar 9, 2021 19:20
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China is in fact good
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Yeah I don't get how you can express good faith criticism of Zenz and his account without being a denialist by these standards, tbh Is it in the wording? Can we express that the definitive source on the alleged genocide is illegitimate, so long as we don't elaborate further on what that implies about the rest? I'm not a clever man, I need these things explained to me
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Cerebral Bore posted:real weird how this particular atrocity isn't one that requires an unified mod front and standardized action to punish denialists. wonder why that might be.
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Mar 9, 2021 19:34
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we shouldn't probate people who question joe biden's line on china, just like we should probate people who use "retard" or "retarded" as a pejorative, and the funny thing is that our failures to hold to each of these standards come from the same source: liberalism
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Mar 9, 2021 19:37
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apropos to nothing posted:exactly. china can still be bad even if the tiananmen square massacre never happened, which it didnt. really?
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Mar 9, 2021 19:40
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not sure if bernie losing or covid have contributed more to amerikan posts getting insanely worse over the past year
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Mar 9, 2021 19:51
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It was the bernie thing. The most unfortunate side effect of bernie panders losing, is that you can no longer get self-proclaimed left wing communist leftists in this forum mad, by saying the phrase "bernie panders"
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Mar 9, 2021 20:09
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what is the mod pov on free hong kong want to make sure I know what I’m supposed to be uncritically supporting
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Mar 9, 2021 20:15
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i know im pointing out obvious stuff about how ideology works but i think a) obvious stuff needs to be pointed out more and b) a lot of obvious stuff is very bad the answers to “why does a forum based in the US consider the validity of the US bombing the middle east or couping and sanctioning foreign states as topics of reasonable disagreement, but questioning the narrative around the uyghurs in china is bannable” are pretty obvious to anyone with a single cynical tumor in their frontal lobe i just want to reinforce that everyone is on the same page about what this gay dead bulletin board is: a place for bellingcat to do CIA ops and broadcast 5g cancer signals into my brain
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Mar 9, 2021 20:17
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THS posted:i know im pointing out obvious stuff about how ideology works but i think a) obvious stuff needs to be pointed out more and b) a lot of obvious stuff is very bad yeah i get how hegemony affects culture and the bounds of language and all but at the end of the day even if the mods agreed with this thread 100% we don't really have the authority to turn C-SPAM into a strict stalinist or maoist whatever message board, and most of the users don't want that either
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Mar 9, 2021 20:24
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does allowing synthesized conclusions from basic media literacy to exist in the discourse constitute stalinism now
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Flavius Aetass posted:yeah i get how hegemony affects culture and the bounds of language and all but at the end of the day even if the mods agreed with this thread 100% we don't really have the authority to turn C-SPAM into a strict stalinist or maoist whatever message board, and most of the users don't want that either lol what the gently caress is this mealy-mouthed bullshit?
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Flavius Aetass posted:yeah i get how hegemony affects culture and the bounds of language and all but at the end of the day even if the mods agreed with this thread 100% we don't really have the authority to turn C-SPAM into a strict stalinist or maoist whatever message board, and most of the users don't want that either you do have the authority to turn it into a strict liberal message board however
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what would a stalinist or maoist forum look like? is that what we’re calling it if we acknowledge that stalin and mao were not mega-evil monsters and in fact did some good things along with the bad?
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Mar 9, 2021 20:42
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if the rules are that you have to uncritically believe some things then just loving say so instead of hiding behind some made-up excuse
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Serf posted:what would a stalinist or maoist forum look like? is that what we’re calling it if we acknowledge that stalin and mao were not mega-evil monsters and in fact did some good things along with the bad? one post and ten million emptyquotes
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Flavius Aetass posted:yeah i get how hegemony affects culture and the bounds of language and all but at the end of the day even if the mods agreed with this thread 100% we don't really have the authority to turn C-SPAM into a strict stalinist or maoist whatever message board i like the jump to stalinism here it's v. nice Flavius Aetass posted:and most of the users don't want that either you've never bothered checking whether this is true because it doesn't matter what the users want
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strictly come purging
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more like sent-down mods
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Mar 9, 2021 20:48
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CYBEReris posted:does allowing synthesized conclusions from basic media literacy to exist in the discourse constitute stalinism now genocide: something that countries outside of NATO do stalinism: saying that Turkey genocided the Armenians
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Mar 9, 2021 20:50
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I think that getting the bellingcat boys banned is a worthy cspam goal as far as low hanging fruit goes warmongering cia liars seem pretty indefensible???
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Flavius Aetass posted:one post and ten million emptyquotes this is not historically accurate
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