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Mokelumne Trekka posted:Weren't there 'ACTUALLY THE SOPRANOS ISN'T THAT GREAT IT WAS JUST GROUNDBREAKING FOR ITS TIME' takes circulating around for a bit? I'm re-watching and can say it is still great. Yeah, it's been said many times before, but it's remarkable how funny this show is without compromising any of the dramatic beats. It can go toe-to-toe with most comedies, I think. "I'll have time to write my memoirs" just completely swept my legs out from under me, I was not expecting such a laugh after such a heavy scene, and goddamnit somehow it worked.
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:Weren't there 'ACTUALLY THE SOPRANOS ISN'T THAT GREAT IT WAS JUST GROUNDBREAKING FOR ITS TIME' takes circulating around for a bit? I'm re-watching and can say it is still great. You see that Hot Take on Twitter alongside the similarly bone-headed 'Martin Scorsese celebrates the gangster lifestyle' (which is why Henry Hill ends up on top of the world and happy to be free of the mob) from time to time. I think it's mostly just attention seeking as people have either made up their minds The Sopranos Was Bad Actually without having seen it or they know it's a dumb bogus claim that's dynamite fishing for engagement.
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One of the best examples of tragicomedy in the series (and in the history of television) is Christopher’s intervention.
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Dawgstar posted:You see that Hot Take on Twitter alongside the similarly bone-headed 'Martin Scorsese celebrates the gangster lifestyle' (which is why Henry Hill ends up on top of the world and happy to be free of the mob) from time to time. There's a commentary track on one of the goodfellas special editions that features the irl henry hill and the handler who got him into witness protection and it's pretty fascinating. The most interesting thing is that hill really actually did sound quite glad that someone got him out of the mafia. Over and over he talks about how he was a stupid kid who got wrapped up with it, and even says "god bless the U.S. government" for getting him out. I think that at some point in time, Hill hosed up and got kicked out of WPP but I can't remember if that's before or after that track would have been recorded.
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:Weren't there 'ACTUALLY THE SOPRANOS ISN'T THAT GREAT IT WAS JUST GROUNDBREAKING FOR ITS TIME' takes circulating around for a bit? I'm re-watching and can say it is still great. Monsignor is a fancy-pants honorific used in the church or something, and Jughead is a famously gluttonous character from Archie Comics.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:One of the best examples of tragicomedy in the series (and in the history of television) is Christopher’s intervention. dizgustin' 
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gently caress that, let him take his medicine.
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i like that the intervention was instigated because Chrissy nodded out atop Adriana's purse dog.
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uber_stoat posted:i like that the intervention was instigated because Chrissy nodded out atop Adriana's purse dog. She musta crawled under there for warmth.
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:It is also much funnier than I remember. With one huge exception: having gotten older, Tony's mom is horrifying to me whereas my younger self found her much more comical. Livia is a loving nightmare, an absolute black hole of a person. I had the exact same reaction on rewatch. Nancy Marchand slays it. We all know a Livia or two.
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even if she is one of the most vicious persons on the show, I still can’t help but chuckle at the “Oh I have plenty of shame. Believe me. You don’t wanna know what I’m ashamed of” snipe
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Janice was a better match for Livia than Tony, which is why she looks legitimately concerned at times, and calls Carmela (after not speaking to her for over a year) to warn her.
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Someone mentioned it much earlier in the thread already, but one of my favorite little touches with Livia is how much effort she puts in to being toxic. Like the scene where Tony brings her macarons and she instinctively reaches for one because she actually does love them and it's a genuinely thoughtful gift, and has to consciously stop herself and pretend she doesn't like them just to make Tony feel bad. It's such a tragedy that Nancy Marchand died early; primarily because it's always sad when people die, but also selfishly because she was so so good on the Sopranos
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Barry Foster posted:Livia is a loving nightmare, an absolute black hole of a person. I had the exact same reaction on rewatch. Nancy Marchand slays it. like my mom.  rip. seriously though, some of the poo poo Livia says triggers the poo poo out of me. to mom's credit she never did try to have me whacked.
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On a recent rewatch the “I have cable” line from Corrado slayed me. He’s so proud. And IIRC Bobby’s kids were complaining he didn’t have it.
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uber_stoat posted:i like that the intervention was instigated because Chrissy nodded out atop Adriana's purse dog. There's a minor bit in there that shows how much of a monster Paulie actually is under the Brylcreem and Coup De Villes. When he asks why Chris killed the dog, he asked if it was barking, like killing it would be rational then.
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Oh yeah Junior has incredible comedic timing. I love his and Bobby's background acting in the JAAACKET scene. the "dear vice president cheney" scene killed me too but i suppose technically the other actor is doing the talking in that scene.
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Fuckin queers! Is the funniest thing in the history of television. Tony might not have had the makings of a varsity athlete, but Bacala did 
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codo27 posted:Fuckin queers! get out my way and don't be so gay! meow!
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I’ve recorded in Denmark is the best worst flex ever.
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Ainsley McTree posted:It's such a tragedy that Nancy Marchand died early; primarily because it's always sad when people die, but also selfishly because she was so so good on the Sopranos God, if they had had Nancy Marchand the entire run of the show.
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Ainsley McTree posted:Yeah, it's been said many times before, but it's remarkable how funny this show is without compromising any of the dramatic beats. It can go toe-to-toe with most comedies, I think. Better than most comedies imo, and its not even trying to be one
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PostNouveau posted:God, if they had had Nancy Marchand the entire run of the show. I can't help but think it would've been completely different. I'm happy with what we got but it's interesting to think what could have been. I think we'd have lost a lot of characters and/or antagonists. Tony B, probably. Phil maybe?
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I lol'd at the shot of Anthony Jr absent-mindedly biting a pear after he spilled the beans about Tony's therapy to Livia it's little moments like that
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:I lol'd at the shot of Anthony Jr absent-mindedly biting a pear after he spilled the beans about Tony's therapy to Livia I can't find the scene but there's a part where Janice screams and he's plugging his ears.
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It’s when Janice comes back at the beginning of season two because she and Tony and Barbara hadn’t seen each other in at least a decade.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC-6Rrjmjes I forgot what makes it even funnier is that Livia is sobbing and AJ doesn't pay any mind to her also, psychiatry being a "racket for the Jews".... my god
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC-6Rrjmjes The other old lady waddling over is so relatable. So is Livia talking poo poo about her as soon as she leaves.  Ainsley McTree posted:My favorite vein of the "AJ is oblivious" joke genre is all the scenes where people keep bringing him along to places and then sending him away and him getting increasingly frustrated about being dragged along in the first place. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM5T3HTwpqM This is my favourite one. "No, we weren't!" Pope Corky the IX posted:It’s when Janice comes back at the beginning of season two because she and Tony and Barbara hadn’t seen each other in at least a decade. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhCuHe4P4w4&t=14s Found it, thanks! Vichan fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Mar 10, 2021 |
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uber_stoat posted:like my mom. What's up, fellow crazy, mean, dead, manipulative mom haver? My mom was bipolar, suicidal (5 attempts), incredibly passive aggressive and seemed to get worse as she aged despite a ton of medication, treatment, therapy and people legit trying to help and be nice to her. I'm scarred to this day over it, realize more and more poo poo from my childhood that's made me broken and probably will stay damaged for the rest of my life from a lot of her poo poo but she never tried to have me whacked either. So she had that going for her. Some of the poo poo I feel when I re-watch the early episodes has a similar effect on me though, much like you described, and the macaroon scene really lands in the way that Livia went out of her loving way there to make a nice thing, a peace offering and a kind gesture into a net negative, steering the whole thing into some kind of attack or a weird persecution angle.
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