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So hey, Seattle cops deliberately ran over a crowd of bystanders during a tailgating event.
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https://twitter.com/cerisecastle/status/1355652341169442817?s=20 It should be pretty obvious by now, but the cops are not only fascist but they have all the bizarre nationalist mythology brainworms and cultural affiliations that go along with that and they'll express those by selectively using or not using force. There is of course nothing that elected "authorities" can do about this.
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Police in Rochester NY beat a child and a peppersprayed her. https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/01/us/rochester-police-pepper-spray-child/index.html quote:At one point, one officer says, "You're acting like a child." There's video, the bodycam footage. Content warning: Child abuse, police violence. It's as bad as you'd expect. 
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The cop rationale is a work of art as usual https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1356096127817429000?s=20
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Unreal. Social workers can calm down grown-rear end 300lb men who are in violent rages without any force at all. But yes we need 6 cops to get a hold of this 9 year old.
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Christ that video is hard to watch. You may want to put an nms warning on it. Edit: thanks Cpt_Obvious fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Feb 1, 2021 |
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Feb 1, 2021 22:11
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Jaxyon posted:Unreal. Working backwards from the appropriate use of force to a 9 year old being chemical weapons, I think the 300 pound guy in a violent rage would require a tungsten rod launched from the orbiting Rochester PD killsat.
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The officers involved have been suspended https://www.democratandchronicle.co...now/4336363001/ Also the loving Rochester Police Locust Club is the union. They named themselves after a biblical plague
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quote:A Rochester police officer is suspended and two others were placed on administrative leave in the aftermath of an incident on Friday that resulted in a 9-year-old girl being pepper-sprayed. None of the work, all of the pay!
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538 did an analysis on what the police costs cities in the payments if you need hard proof that police departments are diverting resources to be lovely. New York City is just...yeesh. An average of $174 million a year in settlements.
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Jaxyon posted:The officers involved have been suspended
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Good time to bump this thread since a) Derek Chauvin's jury is being selected and the very first confirmed juror is a white guy who says all lives matter after the prosecution DQed a string of PoC folks from the pool https://twitter.com/deenafaywinter/status/1369331053807230976?s=20 e: The presiding judge muted the audio feed so we don't know exactly what he discussed with Juror #2, but we do know she's super excited to be here and her uncle is a cop! https://twitter.com/deenafaywinter/status/1369384604927426561?s=20 b) those organizers from Aurora CO are going to have to take a plea deal or go to prison for the rest of their lives https://twitter.com/TheRoot/status/1369041374859816961?s=20 Definitely a good time to abolish the police. The Oldest Man fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Mar 9, 2021 |
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Mar 9, 2021 22:27
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The Oldest Man posted:b) those organizers from Aurora CO are going to have to take a plea deal or go to prison for the rest of their lives For loving WHAT? Terrifying a bunch of cops into huddling together in the panic room of their own building by yelling mean things at them?
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fool of sound posted:For loving WHAT? Terrifying a bunch of cops into huddling together in the panic room of their own building by yelling mean things at them? Protesting While Black. It's a serious offence.
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fool of sound posted:For loving WHAT? Terrifying a bunch of cops into huddling together in the panic room of their own building by yelling mean things at them? They were actually talking to the cops on the phone during the protest and they weren't yelling, I watched the live stream. They were simply defiant of cops un-constrained authority to kill at will without repercussion, and that is a life sentence at best in this country if you keep at it too long.
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fool of sound posted:For loving WHAT? Terrifying a bunch of cops into huddling together in the panic room of their own building by yelling mean things at them? Prosecutors are just throwing everything they can think of at them, regardless of how likely the charges are to actually stick, to intimidate them into taking a plea deal. It's a common strategy against minorities and unsympathetic defendants: even if the charges are so hyperbolic and exaggerated that they're incredibly unlikely to stick, so many charges are stacked up that the defendant is risking a ton of jail time if the case goes to trial, and when they're facing down an openly vindictive prosecutor who's experienced at getting black defendants in front of all-white juries that starts to look like a nasty gamble.
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They did this with the anarchists in Minneapolis during the RNC. They got terrorism enhancements that carried nearly life sentences, eventually they all just ended up doing less than a few months for stuff like contempt of court but it sent a clear loving message back then.
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fool of sound posted:For loving WHAT? Terrifying a bunch of cops into huddling together in the panic room of their own building by yelling mean things at them? Pretty much. quote:The DA who brought the charges against them said they prevented officers from being able to leave their precinct by barricading doors. House stridently denies the characterization of their actions. I’m sure the tank was absolutely necessary. Edit: does anyone else think it’s weird that we’ve normalized prosecutors fabricating charges? Like, we just expect the state to invent crimes that didn’t happen in order to coerce confessions for actions that are not yet proven to have occurred. Cpt_Obvious fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Mar 10, 2021 |
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Cpt_Obvious posted:does anyone else think it’s weird that we’ve normalized prosecutors fabricating charges? Like, we just expect the state to invent crimes that didn’t happen in order to coerce confessions for actions that are not yet proven to have occurred. Cops are also just allowed to lie in order to coerce confession. They're also typically allowed to just omit any parts of statements given to them they wish in order to make the defendant look more guilty. This is all ostensibly 'justified' by the criminal court system being entirely nonfunctional without plea bargains (because there are intentionally insufficient courts and judges to handle the case load), but it's just part of the deliberate criminalization of the poor.
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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1368971324710879235?s=20 Oh wow, weird, all cops are fascists or fascist enabling? Even the ones who are nice (sometimes in public when it costs them nothing and cameras are rolling)?
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Pretty much. Not really. The issue isn't that prosecutors are fabricating charges, the issue that the system is glitchy enough (or white supremacist enough) that those fabricated charges have a meaningful chance of surviving a trial and being ruled to be true.
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I feel like perhaps the idea that the state's job is to make poo poo up to put you in prison might be an issue, personally. Even if you hope there would be a mechanism to counteract it? I mean it's not weird if you understand the point of the state to be to perpetuate itself and the power of particular types of people but it is, perhaps, a bad thing. I feel like there is supposed to theoretically maybe somewhere be an idea that you aren't supposed to view the state as being basically a drunken malevolent psychopath waving a gun around. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Mar 10, 2021 |
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Mar 10, 2021 07:26
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Main Paineframe posted:The issue isn't that prosecutors are fabricating charges State's lawyers creating a raft of bullshit charges for the express purpose of bullying the innocent into accepting false guilt, prison, and the permanent suspension of many of their rights isn't the issue? Habitually? With no repercussions? The hell it isn't. That would be enough of a problem by itself to tear our nightmare joke of a "justice" system out by the root. The fact that the system requires that behavior of them to operate, the fact that the cops kill people before they even hit the courtroom, the fact that prison exists primarily to extract profit from the marginalized and secondarily to act as a threat of bodily destruction to resisters, the fact that the entire corpus of the law is a tool of white supremacist colonial settlers to keep their de facto slaves in line, the fact that the "justice" system retaliates extrajudicially and physically against people that threaten to expose its evil, and every other fact of this system being a horror visited on people because they are stolen from and so that they can continue to be stolen from doesn't obviate the fact that these loving pricks wield the law as a cudgel to beat people so thoroughly into submission that they fear even to stand in their own defense absolutely is the issue here.
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The Oldest Man posted:State's lawyers creating a raft of bullshit charges for the express purpose of bullying the innocent into accepting false guilt, prison, and the permanent suspension of many of their rights isn't the issue? Habitually? With no repercussions? This. Plus the system itself has a built in two tiered application of justice - if you are rich you will get drastically different treatment, if you ever interact with the system at all. And guess who has all the capital to hire the type of attorneys that allow you to navigate the system? The justice system for black people is a speed run, with a mobile death sentence, judge-jury-executioner functionality. The police are just freeing up the docket space for the state.
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OwlFancier posted:I feel like perhaps the idea that the state's job is to make poo poo up to put you in prison might be an issue, personally. Even if you hope there would be a mechanism to counteract it? I'm not saying it's the state's job to make poo poo up, I'm saying that the mechanism to prevent that is that making up false charges they can't defend in court is pointless - or, at least, it should be pointless. Obviously it's unethical for prosecutors to make poo poo up. But from a systemic perspective, there's no way to get around the fact that someone has to exercise human judgement to determine the list of charges, and it's not reasonable to assume that it's possible to come up with a selection mechanism where the person who does that will never (deliberately or not) add unlikely or outright false charges to the list. So if there's a problem with false charges, then from a systemic perspective, the first place we should be looking is whether the system has a check in place to determine whether charges are reasonable or unreasonable, true or false. And it turns out we already have something like that: it's called a trial. The ultimate problem here is that trials routinely convict people (especially black people) for poo poo the prosecution has no actual evidence to support. The fact that prosecutors often intentionally cook up false charges is just a symptom, not a cause - they wouldn't bother if the system wasn't so broken that they could routinely get away with it. And yes, they've contributed a lot to that breaking themselves, with stuff like developing all sorts of tricks to get black defendants in front of all-white juries for the sake of maximally exploiting white supremacy and racial prejudice. All the more reason why it's important to follow issues to their root. The Oldest Man posted:State's lawyers creating a raft of bullshit charges for the express purpose of bullying the innocent into accepting false guilt, prison, and the permanent suspension of many of their rights isn't the issue? Habitually? With no repercussions? How should our system tell the difference between a good charge and a bullshit charge? Should it, perhaps, have someone look at the info about the case and the relevant laws to determine what crimes can likely be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury? That's the current system, and the person who does that is called the prosecutor. Coming up with charges and then trying to convince a jury the charges are true is pretty much exactly what a prosecutor's job is.
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The prosecutors job is, essentially, to lock up as many people as they believe they can for as long as they can and they do this with the support of the state lobbied by private prisons who profit off of the prosecutors success. It's like a football game between the prosecution and the defense but all the refs (the state that runs the trial) are paid by the prosecutors biggest fans. It's a disaster from start to finish. Not only is the game rigged, it shouldn't exist in the first place. There shouldn't be an agency tasked with imprisoning as many people as it can. It shouldn't have vastly more resources than those who defend the people it attacks. And, most obviously, nobody should profit off of human plight because it allows those profiteers to accrue more resources with which they can imprison more people to accrue more resources etc. It creates a positive feedback loop and we are living through the repercussions of an exponentially growing prison industry. Yuzenn posted:Plus the system itself has a built in two tiered application of justice - if you are rich you will get drastically different treatment, if you ever interact with the system at all. And guess who has all the capital to hire the type of attorneys that allow you to navigate the system? When you're wealthy enough, you can manipulate the laws such that you act within them. Wanna run a massive drug empire? Most people would have to start selling weed or coke or something and be fighting the legal system the whole way through. But the Sacklers can just invent a new form of heroin and paid the government to make it legal. No back-alley bullshit for them. Cpt_Obvious fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Mar 10, 2021 |
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Like, Ace Attorney is if anything generous in its depiction of prosecutors vs defence attorneys, and it's already open about how the police and prosecutors are part of the exact same institution and joined at the hip while the defense attorneys are underpaid and openly despised and mocked, with court-ordered attorneys being a death sentence.
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Main Paineframe posted:
Actually the prosecutor's job is to secure plea deals and protect the system and cops. The facts of the Breonna Taylor grand jury illustrate the problem. They can overcharge to force people to accept a bullshit deal or face total ruin for minor crimes or no crimes or they can "boys will be boys" a murder - and they do. If you wanted some semblance of fairness or equity, the people working with the cops to prove guilt would have absolutely zero discretion over charging. E: it should also not be that surprising that ex-prosecutors who go into elected politics are total sociopaths who laugh about threatening kids with prison, throw activists in solitary confinement without charges, provide cover for cops running illegal torture facilities, and so on. The Oldest Man fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Mar 10, 2021 |
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The problem with trial by axe is not that there's a guy who gets to throw axes at people he doesn't like the look of, it's that we don't have a system in place that stops the axes from hitting the innocent?
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OwlFancier posted:The problem with trial by axe is not that there's a guy who gets to throw axes at people he doesn't like the look of, it's that we don't have a system in place that stops the axes from hitting the innocent? Listen the system we have is that the axe guy chooses to always throw the axe at black people and chooses never to throw it at cops who kill black people. That's not the issue, and furthermore
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Good info on the clown show stasi that is DHS. https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-if-j-edgar-hoover-had-been-moron
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The Portland cops are trialing a new tactic: Step 1: Kettle an entire protest. https://twitter.com/AlissaAzar/status/1370605786922020868?s=20 https://twitter.com/PortlandPolice/status/1370606235951624192 Step 2: Arrests are hard and the no-fun state lawyers stopped pressing all the charges you wanted, so why not just skip that part and doxx every single person in the kettle so your friends in the right wing stalking and harassment machine can have at it? https://twitter.com/suzettesmith/status/1370628730473775106?s=20 https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/1370616450633715715?s=20 e: I'm not sure if this thread ever discussed the PPB Jo-ann Hardesty 'leak' so here's the background on PPB being a fully unaccountable rogue organization that will 100% leak all of this information so that their political enemies face extrajudicial threats and violence at their homes https://www.koin.com/news/portland/hardesty-demands-outside-investigation-into-ppb-leak/ The Oldest Man fucked around with this message at 08:30 on Mar 13, 2021 |
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A London Metropolitan Police officer has been arrested for murdering a woman. So obviously today the London Metropolitan Police decided to start attacking women at the vigil being held for her. https://twitter.com/eleanorkpenny/status/1370815964552515593 https://twitter.com/Deborah_Malina/status/1370850405081608198 https://twitter.com/SubjectAccesss/status/1370818510197248007 But of course this is only an American problem.
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CBP and ICE are also cops so here have thisquote:They wanted to make the asylum seekers give up and take a deportation. They wanted them to call home and tell their families and friends not to come. Agents see these unwritten orders as something they must do to prevent more people from coming to claim asylum. They saw this order as another covert tactic to use in protecting the border. It was a deterrence tactic in their minds. It was their duty. This secrecy, this manipulation, bonds them together. As we used to say and agents still do today, they “Bleed Green.” I'd say ICE and the Border Patrol are rogue paramilitaries just like the cops but bigger, except that they're (combined) about the size of the NYPD so
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I hope, for the sake of our country - that Derek Chauvin receives a guilty verdict. I have no confidence in this, but I'm not sure the court system can survive this particular miscarriage of justice.
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Yuzenn posted:I hope, for the sake of our country - that Derek Chauvin receives a guilty verdict. It absolutely can because of white people, who are also going to let most of the capitol insurrectionists out with slaps on the writs, while there's dudes still in jail from knocking over garbage cans during the Ferguson uprising. It shouldn't, though.
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The Blue Wall protected a pedo in Boston. https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1381056383362207751 How do you begin to un-gently caress an institution capable of that?
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The only thing short of a complete rebuild from scratch that could even make a meaningful impact is doing what the Bexar County sheriff's office did starting in 2017: an extremely aggressive house cleaning, going through all their employees' files and immediately firing anyone with serious or repeat ethics or civil rights violations, firing anyone who they kept who later does so, and refusing to make new hires with similar records. They fired upwards of 100 deputies, not including people who resigned to avoid being fired. I can't find exact numbers of employed deputies, but an appreciable percentage were tossed out. It doesn't fix the fundamental problem with policing using the wrong techniques to achieve the wrong goals, but over time it creates a police culture that isn't utterly inimical to justice.
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Minnesota cops killed another black man and are trying the old chestnut Johannes Messerle used after killing Oscar Grant https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/12/us/brooklyn-center-minnesota-police-shooting/index.html quote:A 20-year-old man was fatally shot during a traffic stop after a Minnesota police officer shouted "Taser!" but fired a handgun instead, Brooklyn Center Police Chief Tim Gannon said.
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