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josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"
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Beaker people or bust, naturally.

The idea is ridiculous but presumably if you were a fascist making a blood and soil argument against your all-too-German monarchs then you'd have some wild pseudoscience for that in hand.

josh04 fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Mar 10, 2021

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# ? May 23, 2024 13:28

Failed Imagineer: Sep 22, 2018

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1369603546186997761?s=19

Just lol at the continued meltdown.

Also, "being alone with Piers Morgan's opinions" is isomorphic with "condemned to hell"

# ? Mar 10, 2021 13:53

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Rumda posted:

It's really bizarre how leftists who normally decry racism and nationalism will suddenly get all blood and soil to dunk on the monarchy

It's the same as how leftists will laugh at Klansmen who find out that they have 1% African blood or conservative pastors who get caught blowing escorts in motel rooms. There's nothing wrong with having 1% African blood or blowing escorts in motel rooms, but their own hosed up worldviews make a huge deal about that sort of thing, so it's funny when they fail to meet their own metrics.

ThomasPaine posted:

E: I've never understood how ethnonationalism was so easily adopted in the context of the European monarchies, when their very existence is proof that it's garbage.

Volkish nationalism was often a reaction against the idea of a rootless elite that doesn't care about the ordinary folk. This historically has never led anywhere terrible.

Necrothatcher posted:

please define this

# ? Mar 10, 2021 13:54

Failed Imagineer: Sep 22, 2018

Guavanaut posted:

Now fill that 6in deep with gristly gravy and the metaphor is complete

# ? Mar 10, 2021 13:55

Surprise T Rex: Apr 9, 2008; Dinosaur Gum

knox_harrington posted:

Adults with ADHD for instance wait years to get seen while they're trying to hold their lives together.

This is something that's been on my mind lately.

Possible helpful advice: I've read that if you speak to a doctor and ask them to refer you to "Psychiatry UK" or something under the "Right To Choose" thing, you can get seen much faster, but as it's a private company and apparently ADHD assessments usually cost around �500 through them, I assume that costs the NHS a lot of extra money over waiting for an NHS assessment.

I assume "Right to Choose" is one of those American-style euphemistic laws that serves to undermine and slowly bankrupt/steal from the NHS, but in this sort of case it might legitimately be helpful if adult ADHD is affecting your life.

I've often thought that I have adult ADHD to be honest, but it's one of those things where I don't want to hear about it on the internet and assume I have it, but a lot of things really hit home.

- Short-term/working memory problems like forgetting to do something before bed if it's something Mrs Trex mentions to me while I'm gaming or something, but no long-term memory problems even for trivial stuff - I can still remember the WiFi password of pretty much every house I've lived in for the last decade.
- Organisation of spaces in fine, but organisation of my time is just chaos. I never know whether there's something planned for this weekend, or this month, or whatever.
- Constant restless legs and hands while working at my desk.
- Interrupting people in conversations, to an extent where I notice it myself and have to apologise a lot.
- Ultimate inability to focus and/or procrastination mode on anything important but boring, whereas something completely negligible but interesting can absorb my attention for hours, and I'll lose all track of time.
- Picking up hobbies and hyper-focusing on them for like 3 months - I'll watch youtube, find streamers, spend all my time browsing reddit/SA threads and thinking about the thing, but not really like, do the thing very much because I'll be waiting on "the perfect idea" or "a good time to do it" then a few months later it's like a switch flips and I just... stop all of that. I basically cycle through being obsessed with photography, games, and game development multiple times per year.

A lot of those sorts of things come up in ADHD symptom lists, but it's always like "...doesn't this stuff happen to everyone though?" so I never know whether it's worthwhile getting checked out.

# ? Mar 10, 2021 13:58

Failed Imagineer: Sep 22, 2018

Surprise T Rex posted:

- Short-term/working memory problems like forgetting to do something before bed if it's something Mrs Trex mentions to me while I'm gaming or something, but no long-term memory problems even for trivial stuff - I can still remember the WiFi password of pretty much every house I've lived in for the last decade.
- Organisation of spaces in fine, but organisation of my time is just chaos. I never know whether there's something planned for this weekend, or this month, or whatever.
- Constant restless legs and hands while working at my desk.
- Interrupting people in conversations, to an extent where I notice it myself and have to apologise a lot.
- Ultimate inability to focus and/or procrastination mode on anything important but boring, whereas something completely negligible but interesting can absorb my attention for hours, and I'll lose all track of time.
- Picking up hobbies and hyper-focusing on them for like 3 months - I'll watch youtube, find streamers, spend all my time browsing reddit/SA threads and thinking about the thing, but not really like, do the thing very much because I'll be waiting on "the perfect idea" or "a good time to do it" then a few months later it's like a switch flips and I just... stop all of that. I basically cycle through being obsessed with photography, games, and game development multiple times per year.

A lot of those sorts of things come up in ADHD symptom lists, but it's always like "...doesn't this stuff happen to everyone though?" so I never know whether it's worthwhile getting checked out.

FWIW I do all of this, plus other things like listening to a song hundreds of time in a row, or having minor internal crises if objects are moved by a few inches.

I don't care though, because I am a fairly functional (and sexy) member of human society

# ? Mar 10, 2021 14:03

Josef bugman: Nov 17, 2011; Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

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Guavanaut posted:

Must admit, I think this pool looks cool and fun!

# ? Mar 10, 2021 14:04

Necrothatcher: Mar 26, 2005

Josef bugman posted:

Must admit, I think this pool looks cool and fun!

I regret to inform you the pool is racist.

# ? Mar 10, 2021 14:07

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

knox_harrington posted:

The thing with the NHS is it's pretty good if you are seriously ill with some somatic problem, but if you don't meet the invisible threshold and are just a bit ill, or have gender dysphoria, or a sporting injury, there is just nothing there at all. Adults with ADHD for instance wait years to get seen while they're trying to hold their lives together.

Presumably the key issue is not enough money but under a centralised system it also needs good governance and People In Charge to decide disorder X is something that needs to be taken seriously.

There's nowt to disagree with wrt MHS and such being obvious examples of the more general deliberate collapse, for the purpose of privatisation, of various NHS bodies. I've replied to you before about watching SLaM collapse and take out my treatment plan with it, leaving me with just enough amphetamine to make self-medication counterproductive. The difference with GICs is that, where I'm in no doubt that everyone involved in my ADHD treatment was genuinely sympathetic and wanted me to have a positive outcome, there are obviously elements of the nhs, and individuals in positions of authority, who absolutely loving hate trans people and use that authority to punish them for existing.

Before the guardian became an explicit right-wing propaganda outlet, they covered the access to fertility cases involving Kent and Medway CCG. Knowing people who wanted fertility treatment before undergoing any surgical elements to their transition, and through that knowing about the legal actions before they were news, I don't feel it's in any way comparable to the difficulties that various friends and family, and myself, have experienced with MHS. The CCG categorically denied all trans people the right to any fertility treatments, were utterly hostile to any communication or appeals, and outright demanded that people sue them if they felt anything unlawful was happening. So they got sued, and they lost heavily, and were explicitly ordered by the courts to provide trans people with access to fertility treatments. They appealed, it went up the ranks, losing each and every time. When their final appeal was done and they were told they were behaving unlawfully, their response was to demand each and every trans person sue them, all the way through, for each and every case. They did not ever provide any fertility treatments in the cases they lost.

There's no plausible way, imo, of suggesting this is anything other than a deliberate example of direct discrimination, done in the name of open prejudice. For a start, they kept admitting it. Best as I can tell (I havent been involved for years, and havent spoken to any of the organisations involved for years either), the sole response by any government body was to shut down multiple GICs while increasing regulation, which massively reduces the number of people who can easily make a case with the support of medical professionals. All this stuff predates the terf invasions of the mainstream and social media circles. Nobody ever seized custody of the children of friends with ADHD because it made them unfit to be near children, either. Centralised provision without centralised funding is definitely a part of this, but I don't think it can make sense without viewing it as primarily an issue of discrimination.

# ? Mar 10, 2021 14:08

NotJustANumber99: Feb 15, 2012; somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Yeah me too. It was clever of them to paint the roof ventilation pipes the same as the flume. Makes you think there's lots more flume than there really is.

# ? Mar 10, 2021 14:08

ThomasPaine: Feb 4, 2009; We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Guavanaut posted:

Volkish nationalism was often a reaction against the idea of a rootless elite that doesn't care about the ordinary folk. This historically has never led anywhere terrible.

Yeah, the bit I don't understand is how that nationalism can be harnessed in support of the 'rootless elite', as has happened with much of the British far right.

E: for all its fash connotations 'rootless elite' is an honest description of the aristocratic, and later capitalist, class. You've got this whole demographic nakedly exerting class power across Europe and spending their lives backing up the interests of their relatives to maintain control and domination over the population, and people somehow looked at this and said 'ahh no see it's the Jews who are the problem' not our good and just king who's spent the summer frolicking at court in Paris while we starve.

# ? Mar 10, 2021 14:09

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Surprise T Rex posted:

This is something that's been on my mind lately.

Possible helpful advice: I've read that if you speak to a doctor and ask them to refer you to "Psychiatry UK" or something under the "Right To Choose" thing, you can get seen much faster, but as it's a private company and apparently ADHD assessments usually cost around �500 through them, I assume that costs the NHS a lot of extra money over waiting for an NHS assessment.

I'm seeing psych UK for my first appointment with them tomorrow (it was not a choice) and my impression so far is that they aren't remotely fit to provide any kind of services. Their system doesnt know how to differentiate between diagnostic appointments and ongoing treatment, for a start, and they've repeatedly made that claim when I ask why they *keep loving asking* that I self-assess for ADD and cardiac issues in case they want to prescribe a drug I've taken since I was 5.

e; just so this isn't solely a "your options are bad" post - if a condition is impacting your ability to live a normal life and your options are this vs nothing, then I'll point out that I am actually going to this appt. The issue is that ADD has to be managed long term with a variety of therapies and working strategies so you develop coping mechanisms that let you deal with normal life poo poo over long periods of time. Amphetamines are a fantastic treatment for ADD but you will develop a tolerance for them, they do have both physical and behavioural side effects that include causes for immediate discontinuation/contraindication, and they have a low ceiling. You want to be having those treatments before the medication starts to lose its impact, because they massively promote habit formation, and you want to lock yourself into good habits before you get trapped in bad ones.

Spangly A fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Mar 10, 2021

# ? Mar 10, 2021 14:11

Comrade Fakename: Feb 13, 2012

Since we're talking about monarchy stuff, I should say that I heavily recommend watching The Crown on Netflix. I was very sceptical to say the least, but after the Tories getting upset about the most recent season last year, and the fact that I didn't have anything else to watch I decided to give it a go. Got to say, it was one of the best TV shows I've watched in a while. Excellently written an acted (though there is some hilariously clunky exposition sometimes). And ultimately it's about a group of people in an exceptionally weird situation and so is kind of inherently interesting.

Politically though, I'd say that the show is quietly anti-monarchist. It's not like it comes out of the gate with a full-throated condemnation or anything. But as the episodes accumulate, you are shown over and over again that these people are completely detached from the people they are nominally supposed to represent and know basically nothing about the British people (not even to mention the Commonwealth). They are constantly consumed by dramas that no real people actually give a poo poo about. The Queen is generally an okay person but also an a mundanely unimpressive woman thrown into this role that overwhelms her, and she's weirdly unemotional as time goes on. For everyone else it seems like the pressure of royalty pretty much ruins their lives.

There's an episode set in the 70s about this documentary that Phil put together as a fly-on-the-wall thing as yet another modernising effort. It's a disaster, because the public hates seeing the Royals be all boring and normal. They say that the problem is that the documentary demystified the family - but then you realise that the entire Netflix show is also demystifying the monarchy, the very thing that they themselves think will destroy them.

Anyway, it's good and you should watch it.

# ? Mar 10, 2021 14:11

ThomasPaine: Feb 4, 2009; We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Comrade Fakename posted:

Since we're talking about monarchy stuff, I should say that I heavily recommend watching The Crown on Netflix.

Me and my partner watched this quite drunk and were cheering when mountbatten got blown up by the 'ra and I'm really not sure we're the target audience lol

# ? Mar 10, 2021 14:13

Rumda: Nov 4, 2009; Moth Lesbian Comrade

Spangly A posted:

I'm seeing psych UK for my first appointment with them tomorrow (it was not a choice) and my impression so far is that they aren't remotely fit to provide any kind of services. Their system doesnt know how to differentiate between diagnostic appointments and ongoing treatment, for a start, and they've repeatedly made that claim when I ask why they *keep loving asking* that I self-assess for ADD and cardiac issues in case they want to prescribe a drug I've taken since I was 5.

I haven't had that bad an experience with them to be honest I got referred to them back in October and aside from getting pedantic about blood pressure they've been pretty good and the psychiatrist I saw was incredibly trans inclusive and since the appointment went quickly we started talking about the over medicalisation of the trans experience for a while

# ? Mar 10, 2021 14:20

Nybble: Jun 28, 2008; praise chuck, raise heck

Random observation/question about The Crown / The Queen (2006), both with Peter Morgan creating or writing: They both use a story about a stag hunt in relation to Diana. In the Crown when Diana arrives, a stag arrives, she goes on a hunt and helps take it down. In The Queen, which is about the days after Diana's death, there's a stag that was being hunted, but eventually dies away from the royal grounds.

Was this a real story and/or is there some sort of symbolism that I'm not quite understanding? (If it helps, I'm an American so maybe there's something in this that I'm missing that might have made more sense to UK Goons)

Nybble fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Mar 10, 2021

# ? Mar 10, 2021 14:21

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Rumda posted:

I haven't had that bad an experience with them to be honest I got referred to them back in October and aside from getting pedantic about blood pressure they've been pretty good and the psychiatrist I saw was incredibly trans inclusive and since the appointment went quickly we started talking about the over medicalisation of the trans experience for a while

my shrink seems perfectly qualified so I'm not expecting the individual professionals to be bad, but compared to the maudsley a few weeks before it collapsed, their organisation is an absolute joke. I'm also very bitter about the whole thing in general tbh.

# ? Mar 10, 2021 14:23

Necrothatcher: Mar 26, 2005

Nybble posted:

Random observation/question about The Crown / The Queen (2006), both with Peter Morgan creating or writing: They both use a story about a stag hunt in relation to Diana. In the Crown when Diana arrives, a stag arrives, she goes on a hunt and helps take it down. In The Queen, which is about the days after Diana's death, there's a stag that was being hunted, but eventually dies away from the royal grounds.

Was this a real story and/or is there some sort of symbolism that I'm not quite understanding? (If it helps, I'm an American so maybe there's something in this that I'm missing that might have made more sense to UK Goons)

Diana in Greek mythology is a hunter and generally associated with a stag.

e:

# ? Mar 10, 2021 14:27

Failed Imagineer: Sep 22, 2018