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In the witcher 3, the nilfs have an invasion staging camp in the first map zone called "Army Group Center" so I always just assumed they were nazi stand-ins.
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Which feels weird because isn't nilfgaard particularly hated by northerners because they're too tolerant of minorities?
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Mar 10, 2021 23:20
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More like Milfgaard.zoux posted:No that's Serpentor.
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Mar 10, 2021 23:27
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Tulip posted:Which feels weird because isn't nilfgaard particularly hated by northerners because they're too tolerant of minorities? Tolerant of minorites compared to people fresh off some pogroms, but also organized and big on slavery. They're also total snobs who keep talking about how civilized they are. They're clearly Roman.
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Mar 10, 2021 23:50
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An invading army doesn't have to be literally racist nazis in order to be an uncomfortable presence to the locals they're conquering. Nilfgaard doesn't really seem very Roman, and I don't know much about China's historical political structures, but just from playing the last game, it seems like Nilfgaard is characterized by having a very powerful nobility despite the existence of a powerful emperor who is busy staging invasions. Which kinda sounds like...Poland.
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Mar 10, 2021 23:55
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Fuligin posted:Does the original mobile suit gundam count? Inherent silliness of mechs aside, the show's framing is a blend of boys' anime conventions and milhisty futurewar, depicting a groggy love of different MS production lines, technical specs, logistics and doctrine, etc etc. I've been watching the first Gundam series lately, and I don't think it has any particular milhist relevance. I would characterize it more as "war is bad, and the schemers at the top cause a lot of suffering and death while pursuing their goals, but mostly war is bad." Core themes are the effects of war on civilians, PTSD, how the individual soldiers in your army and your enemy's army can be perfectly nice folks who are going to try to kill you tomorrow, and what happens to a teenager when you put him in charge of a high-tech war machine and he turns out to be really good at piloting it (hint: he gets a savior complex).
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Mar 11, 2021 00:20
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zoux posted:No that's Serpentor. Julian, Justinian II, Fredrick II, Wang Mang, and Roman von Ungern-Sternberg. Perfect combination of Rulthless ambition and total failure so Team Joe can always stay on top. TooMuchAbstraction posted:I've been watching the first Gundam series lately, and I don't think it has any particular milhist relevance. I would characterize it more as "war is bad, and the schemers at the top cause a lot of suffering and death while pursuing their goals, but mostly war is bad." Core themes are the effects of war on civilians, PTSD, how the individual soldiers in your army and your enemy's army can be perfectly nice folks who are going to try to kill you tomorrow, and what happens to a teenager when you put him in charge of a high-tech war machine and he turns out to be really good at piloting it (hint: he gets a savior complex).
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Mar 11, 2021 00:36
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Gaius Marius posted:Yeah the real Grognard poo poo comes in later with the kit manuals and extended works. Still interesting to see a Japanese person directly dealing with how they see the war and the post war though Yeah, the model kits and various reference books on the histories and developments of the many different versions of the Zaku II or RGM-79 series read like something Ensign Expendable would post from their site about the T-34 or M4 Sherman.
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Mar 11, 2021 00:43
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Zeta Gundam is the best Gundam anyway 08th MS Team is probably the most Milhist thread Gundam series though
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Mar 11, 2021 00:57
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Gaius Marius posted:Julian, Justinian II, Fredrick II, Wang Mang, and Roman von Ungern-Sternberg. Frederick II, Eugene of Savoy, Julius Caesar, Epaminondas and Baron von Steuben. I don't know if he'll be a great general but he'll be absolutely iconic.
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Mar 11, 2021 01:17
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xthetenth posted:Frederick II, Eugene of Savoy, Julius Caesar, Epaminondas and Baron von Steuben. Eugene is Beautiful, Louis says you can't cut it as a general. How bout I kick your rear end for two decades, what a lad
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Mar 11, 2021 01:25
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Cyrano4747 posted:I seriously doubt it has anything, at all, to do with China or any influences from Chinse history. Or Rome, for that matter.
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Mar 11, 2021 01:45
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The nilfs are way into slaves so it fits.
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Mar 11, 2021 02:08
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Gundam is relevant to milhist in as much as it is a major part of Japan's cultural opinions on war, both in its message and in how many works following it explored more of the themes of soldiers dealing with trauma from their service, and the echoing message of war being bad to the point that so many works will just end up with some kind of pacifist faction that ends up winning. Of course, that also needs to be counterbalanced by also taking into account pro-war (or even pro-genocide) works like that one series about how modern Japan could totally win a war with a medieval fantasy kingdom ir Goblin Slayer. There's also a whole lot of works that don't really do much narrative philosophical criticism of the general concept of war while still having a lot of fun with military trappings in a way that more subtly encourages the "war is cool" perspective like Ghost in the Shell. And then if you're really digging into things, anime and manga are only a part of the wider spectrum of japanese media, although that is a big way in which Japanese perspectives can influence the rest of the world.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Gundam is relevant to milhist in as much as it is a major part of Japan's cultural opinions on war, both in its message and in how many works following it explored more of the themes of soldiers dealing with trauma from their service, and the echoing message of war being bad to the point that so many works will just end up with some kind of pacifist faction that ends up winning. Okay so who wants to watch all of Gundam with me and discuss mech and robots for years?
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Mar 11, 2021 02:40
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Okay so who wants to watch all of Gundam with me and discuss mech and robots for years?
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Mar 11, 2021 02:41
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Gaius Marius posted:Finally a topic I'm confident I'm more knowledgeable in compared to the rest of the MilHist thread Alas, late 1300s armor production came and went, and with it the things I sorta know.
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Mar 11, 2021 02:54
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I'd like to mention that the children's anime series Gegege no Kitaro had a pretty good episode on how Japanese media depictions of the war tends to play into an idea of Japanese victimhood when they were the aggressors.
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Mar 11, 2021 03:00
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Gaius Marius posted:Finally a topic I'm confident I'm more knowledgeable in compared to the rest of the MilHist thread Haha I know right?
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Okay so who wants to watch all of Gundam with me and discuss mech and robots for years? Don't forget to watch Patlabor!
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Mar 11, 2021 03:04
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Raenir Salazar posted:Haha I know right? I feel it man. I shoulda went to school. Oh well, at least I can see people post effortly about anysuch thing
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wiegieman posted:Alas, late 1300s armor production came and went, and with it the things I sorta know. 
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wiegieman posted:Alas, late 1300s armor production came and went, and with it the things I sorta know. Please tell me about late 1300s armor.
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Mar 11, 2021 04:12
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xthetenth posted:Don't forget to watch Patlabor! I don't know what this means
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Mar 11, 2021 04:12
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Jobbo_Fett posted:I don't know what this means It's an anime about Robocops, not like Captain Murphy, like cops who use robots to stop crime
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Mar 11, 2021 04:17
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And the second movie is a moody thing dwelling on militarism and Japan's relation with it in the context of their involvement in intervention in Cambodia that's cool as hell.
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Mar 11, 2021 04:30
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Gaius Marius posted:It's an anime about Robocops, not like Captain Murphy, like cops who use robots to stop crime Are the crimes committed by criminals who use robots?
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Mar 11, 2021 06:00
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xthetenth posted:And the second movie is a moody thing dwelling on militarism and Japan's relation with it in the context of their involvement in intervention in Cambodia that's cool as hell. It's beautiful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2sqdudEle4
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White Coke posted:Are the crimes committed by criminals who use robots? Drunks, Yakuza, the odd KGB Agent...
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Mar 11, 2021 11:37
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zoux posted:No that's Serpentor. Oh yeah, I can see why you'd need to put Julius Caesar in there for ruthlessness, what with Attila the Hun being such a shrinking violet and all
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SlothfulCobra posted:An invading army doesn't have to be literally racist nazis in order to be an uncomfortable presence to the locals they're conquering. ah yes the notoriously empowered elected kings of the PLC
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Mar 11, 2021 13:43
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To me they seemed to be a combination of Sweden, Medieval pre-Russia and parts of the PLC. Being a fantasy creation and all they can be two things or more.
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Hey what can you guys tell me medieval irish warfare before the English conquest? Was it particularly small scale? Did it involve way more people than you expected? Also did the Irish get mixed up in continental politics at all?
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Can anybody explain to me why the USSR would create weapon systems that had a lot of overlap? Since EE's post on the T-62/T-64/T-72/T-80, I've been reading Rockets and People and the author also points out that when it came to missiles, the Soviets did the same thing, where the Americans basically settled on a ICBM/SLBM and just refined it. Boris Chertok, the author to Rockets and People has some interesting thoughts on why this happened with missiles. He writes that the Soviets were suprisingly slow in developing policy about nuclear war, and without leadership, it was the missile designers and their organizations that had the most influence. Maybe at some point he will mention the Military-Industrial complex in the USSR and its influence on ever greater military production, but he still has a few ideas, namely that there was this cycle going on where engineers would move into missile design, and then champion different innovations in an attempt to get their foot in the door to what's one of the most prestigious fields. And these people soon get allies in government and in the military. Chertok describes the post R-16 development as "the missile civil war", with at least four different organizations trying to get their latest missile developed, backed by their local party bosses and with their own supporters inside the military. This reaches its apex, I think, when somehow the Typhoon class submarine ended up with its own, entirely bespoke SLBM design
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That doesn't go far enough IMO. Each warhead should be an original hand-crafted piece with no designs ever reused.
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The Lone Badger posted:That doesn't go far enough IMO. Each warhead should be an original hand-crafted piece with no designs ever reused. Can I just mention that while America had 1.5 reloads per launch tube submarine, the Soviets built 7 So in a class of 7 planned Typhoons = 20x missile launch tubes each, 140 tubes total, that's 980 SS-N-20 missiles to build. Oh, it has a MIRV warhead, 10 warheads each missile, so that's 9,800 warheads Which if built by itself would be more nuclear bombs than both Russia and the USA theoretically have today
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SeanBeansShako posted:Drunks, Yakuza, the odd KGB Agent... So they fight human crimes? Or are there KGBots? The Lone Badger posted:That doesn't go far enough IMO. Each warhead should be an original hand-crafted piece with no designs ever reused. Come on, they aren't Nazis.
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I'm thinking more guilds. To become a senior engineer you have to hand-turn a nuke according to your own drawings, and present it for examination by the gathered masters.
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Mar 12, 2021 04:24
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xthetenth posted:Don't forget to watch Patlabor! Armor Hunter Mellowlink!
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White Coke posted:So they fight human crimes? Or are there KGBots? They fight idiots who hijack giant robots and assume having a giant robot is the only thing you get is the one step to profit. Also, hunger and the general irritation of the public. It's more of a 'what is the regional cops have access to giant robots but are still sort of tired midlly annoyed cops doing day to day' than 'HOLY poo poo THESE COMMANDO ELITE GOT TO SAVE THE WORLD FROM EXPLODING' sort of deal, well except oddly enough that movie already mentioned. It's like Police Academy too in some ways, but it actually makes effort. SerCypher posted:Armor Hunter Mellowlink! Metal Gear Boss Fight; The Anime. Just imagine a Gruff Snake type using his brains and little resources to murder assholes with giant robots without a giant robot.
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