|
it's pretty much space sociology and philosophy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnFh-FLjSrY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW3YB2ptGws&t=3s SmokaDustbowl fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Mar 11, 2021 |
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 07:02
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 26, 2024 17:12 |
|
|
I'm sorry it's not as simple as star trek, but I guess it might be like nightmare deep space 9
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 07:13
|
|
|
I'll read it when I'm done children of dune. it will be nice to return to someone who is capable of writing a reasonable sentence in English
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 07:16
|
|
|
Truman Peyote posted:I'll read it when I'm done children of dune. it will be nice to return to someone who is capable of writing a reasonable sentence in English poo poo is fuckin real heavy
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 07:17
|
|
|
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 07:22
|
|
|
I don't want to sound pretentious but the concept of "the dark forest" fucks me off hard lol
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 07:23
|
|
|
it's very lovecraftian gods, in that human species morals aren't universe morals
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 07:37
|
|
|
SmokaDustbowl posted:I don't want to sound pretentious but the concept of "the dark forest" fucks me off hard lol in what way do you mean that because i'm having trouble parsing intent here
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 07:37
|
|
|
mediaphage posted:in what way do you mean that because i'm having trouble parsing intent here it's terrifying
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 07:39
|
|
|
if your civilisation advances enough to broadcast into space you're loving dead
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 07:42
|
|
|
resources are limited in the universe the same way they are on a planet, so the minute you advertise your civilisation the big boys come to eat you up
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 07:45
|
|
|
LOOK CLOSER STILGAR
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 07:50
|
|
|
I really don't get the hype about three body problem. The premise is interesting enough and the first book is ok at times, but so much of the plot is insanely dumb and feels very calvinball
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 07:52
|
|
|
pointsofdata posted:I really don't get the hype about three body problem. The premise is interesting enough and the first book is ok at times, but so much of the plot is insanely dumb and feels very calvinball how so?
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 07:56
|
|
|
SmokaDustbowl posted:resources are limited in the universe the same way they are on a planet, so the minute you advertise your civilisation the big boys come to eat you up so the idea of unpleasant aliens is obviously not new and famous physicists and astronomers have talked about the value of remaining invisible before. the issue i have is that it seems like the universe is just real big and full of stuff. anyone who has the capacity to travel interstellar distance isn't going to have issues finding the resources they need close to home. the only real point to come this way would be to a.) prevent other civilizations from growing, not because they're using resources but because you fear them potentially growing sufficiently powerful to harm your own civilization or b.) they just get their jollies by enslaving folks, or something anyway it's an interesting concept but it just requires a lot of hand waving (which is fine, it's sci-fi, but also not worth taking any more seriously than any other sci-fi book)
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:03
|
|
|
y'all are really spoiling poo poo for three body problem, it's kind of a dick move
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:04
|
|
|
The clearly defined factions and cheese wire ship trap were one thing, but "super powerful sub atomic particle sized drone which can control people's minds" took it to another level
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:05
|
|
|
Achmed Jones posted:y'all are really spoiling poo poo for three body problem, it's kind of a dick move There's like one interesting reveal and the rest are super groan worthy, mostly done by thinly disguised exposition dumps
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:07
|
|
|
mediaphage posted:so the idea of unpleasant aliens is obviously not new and famous physicists and astronomers have talked about the value of remaining invisible before. this is one issue, you're anthropomorphising alien cultures, right? also the big problem is that the universe is big, but it's not full of stuff. you've got a star trek style attitude of warp drives and whatnot
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:08
|
|
|
pointsofdata posted:
the sophons can't control people's minds which is a major plot point, and the main purpose of them is to fully stop advanced particle physics
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:10
|
|
|
Achmed Jones posted:y'all are really spoiling poo poo for three body problem, it's kind of a dick move 
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:12
|
|
|
rewatching shin godzilla tonight and it's even better the second time around
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:15
|
|
|
Jonny 290 posted:rewatching shin godzilla tonight and it's even better the second time around
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:20
|
|
|
SmokaDustbowl posted:this is one issue, you're anthropomorphising alien cultures, right? also the big problem is that the universe is big, but it's not full of stuff. you've got a star trek style attitude of warp drives and whatnot i'm not anthropomorphizing anything i didn't even mention anything about warp drives or star trek, you just made that up; my point was that any civilization that has the wherewithal to reach across the universe and destroy alien cultures is going to be technologically savvy i don't believe that individual civilizations are capable of existing on the sorts of time scales necessary (functional infinities) to run into the issue of all matter in the universe being in use that's the only way this sort of resource scarcity works otherwise there's nothing sufficiently distinctive about our solar system or greater stellar area to make coming here worthwhile unless they are explicitly interested in the lifeforms themselves mediaphage fucked around with this message at 08:25 on Mar 11, 2021 |
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:23
|
|
|
mediaphage posted:i don't believe that individual civilizations are capable of existing on the sorts of time scales necessary (functional infinities) to run into the issue of all matter in the universe being in use why not? and even if you personally don't believe it, there could be civilisations of extraordinary advancement that belive this
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:24
|
|
|
SmokaDustbowl posted:why not? because i don't get off on thinking about alien gods and that's what that sort of thing is. if you're worried about controlling literally all matter in the entirety of the known universe (and potentially beyond, as the books describe), you're functional gods. i don't think that sort of thing is realistic, sorry
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:28
|
|
|
i think the 3rd body problem books are immensely tedious and only enlivened by the weird cultural revolution stuff in the beginning of the first book. first two anyway i aint readin any more of em
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:30
|
|
|
mediaphage posted:because i don't get off on thinking about alien gods who said anything about gods? you're anthropomorphizing
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:30
|
|
|
SmokaDustbowl posted:and even if you personally don't believe it, there could be civilisations of extraordinary advancement that belive this ok this conversation isn't really going anywhere i get it this book blew your mind because you'd never thought about evil aliens before i don't think much of the philosophy in it is that interesting. it doesn't mean i don't get it. it doesn't mean i'm misinterpreting it. i just disagree with several of its fundamental premises. talking to you about this is like having a religious proselytizer demand to know why you don't believe in god
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:30
|
|
|
SmokaDustbowl posted:who said anything about gods? you're anthropomorphizing no, i'm not i'm drawing a parallel between two concepts, stop using that word
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:31
|
|
|
mediaphage posted:ok you really actually don't get it
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:32
|
|
|
it seems a bit weird to be more worried about the slightly-hairy apes turning insignificant quantities of iron ore into iron metal than you are about the giant nuclear fireball next to them turning immense quantities of hydrogen into iron, or the immense throng of other nuclear fireballs in the galaxy/galactic group/supercluster/etc.
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:32
|
|
|
SmokaDustbowl posted:you really actually don't get it lol oh my god
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:33
|
|
|
you are arguing science fiction with smoka. think about it
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:35
|
|
|
mediaphage posted:lol oh my god you're the one who brought up gods
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:35
|
|
|
Sagebrush posted:think about it
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:36
|
|
|
Sagebrush posted:you are arguing science fiction with smoka. think about it yeah clearly my mistake
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:36
|
|
|
Jabor posted:it seems a bit weird to be more worried about the slightly-hairy apes turning insignificant quantities of iron ore into iron metal than you are about the giant nuclear fireball next to them turning immense quantities of hydrogen into iron, or the immense throng of other nuclear fireballs in the galaxy/galactic group/supercluster/etc. Stars are stars, they are ultimately predictable - Apes, you take your eyestalks off them for a millenium or two while you make a coffee and they are knocking on every sphere in the galactic arm wanting you to join their Federation with ideas about 'sharing'. Yeah no, anything makes a Hello World signal that you notice, you make sure they never leave their system with extreme prejudice just in case.
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:38
|
|
|
SmokaDustbowl posted:you're the one who brought up gods any sufficiently advanced
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:39
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 26, 2024 17:12 |
|
|
NoneMoreNegative posted:Stars are stars, they are ultimately predictable - Apes, you take your eyestalks off them for a millenium or two while you make a coffee and they are knocking on every sphere in the galactic arm wanting you to join their Federation with ideas about 'sharing'. Yeah no, anything makes a Hello World signal that you notice, you make sure they never leave their system with extreme prejudice just in case. I think this kind of assumes that alien life is at least a little bit similar to us. Thinking about something like Solaris - whose to say their form or motivations are even understandable by us?
|
|
#
?
Mar 11, 2021 08:41
|
|