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ufarn
May 30, 2009
Roblox is alright, but it's also like the one company older, non-techy investors are tripping over themselves to invest in because they don't want to be out of the loop, so it seems somewhat saturated.

OTOH, I guess it's a decent hedge, insofar that videogames spending and usage habits might not be as susceptible to changes in the economy, so maybe people are just moving money there for something less volatile.

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Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Gaming "platform" that lost 253 million in 2020, a pandemic year, and has no path to profitability: Clearly an amazing hedge.

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


bus hustler posted:

thank you nobody else in my circle understands why i am going apeshit for roblox, its tf2 hats + second life currency + publicly traded with an actual path to retail sales too.

its like investing in Steam (the platform, not Valve The Company) except it doesn't compete with anything else in its market.

my wife is a kids librarian and my best friend is doing van-life. in EVERY LIBRARY around the US theres like a line of kids signed up to wait for their turn to play roblox. nobody subscribes to roblox like wow, which is the genius of it, roblox points go to games and creators and cosmetics on the service. I own 36 shares and I almost regret not buying more, I have all sorts of limits to scoop it up if it dips. You wont "get tired of Roblox" since there's tons of different games and things.

Super for real non SA joking i'm in love with roblox stock

what are some comparable markets you see it targeting which justifies its valuation

ufarn
May 30, 2009

Fame Douglas posted:

Gaming "platform" that lost 253 million in 2020, a pandemic year, and has no path to profitability: Clearly an amazing hedge.
I mean, most tech stocks have been an elaborate game of chicken for a bunch of companies that didn't have profits for five+ years, the stock market is stupid as hell in part because people can't find any other places to put their money.

Is Uber even making money yet? American stocks are so weird.

bus hustler
Mar 14, 2019

Ha Ha Ha... YES!

Fame Douglas posted:

Gaming "platform" that lost 253 million in 2020, a pandemic year, and has no path to profitability: Clearly an amazing hedge.


i just want the stock to go up

PIZZA.BAT posted:

what are some comparable markets you see it targeting which justifies its valuation

lol no company is valued correctly right now, pretending the market is still rational and not stuffed with cash is silly. i like the stock to continue to go up in this market, and in return, make me money.

edit: I could sell the shares i bought yesterday slightly below open for close to a $1000 profit this morning and walk away.

Bananaquiter
Aug 20, 2008

Ron's not here.


Did a bunch of articles about the gamestop plunge really get posted before it happened? Because lol.

salt shakeup
Jun 27, 2004

'orrible fucking nights
Why do you think ROBLOX deserves that valuation? < Everyone says, in the thread titled GameStop is trading at $350 dollars per share.

kw0134
Apr 19, 2003

I buy feet pics🍆

If you think stocks are overpriced in general, then fine! That's a good and rational answer. A lot of bears are going "what's the justification?" for the entire market and there's a lot of mealy-mouthed handwaving. To the extent that particular stocks are overpriced even in this environment is still a question worth exploring though. Even relative to a (potentially) overheated market we can definitely say that some stocks have absolutely no business being priced as they are. In the short term, sure you can make money jumping on the hype. But sentiment can turn on a dime and someone's going to be left holding the bag. If we could perfectly predict when that would be, we'd be rich and not poo poo posting on an Internet 1.0 forum.

RBLX can keep running on hype alone for a while. There is indeed a ton of money just sloshing around and that's gonna keep its stock price up for a bit. But to call it a "hedge" is incredibly silly, what are you hedging? How is a speculative equity that has no profitability a hedge against anything?

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

bus hustler posted:

thank you nobody else in my circle understands why i am going apeshit for roblox, its tf2 hats + second life currency + publicly traded with an actual path to retail sales too.

its like investing in Steam (the platform, not Valve The Company) except it doesn't compete with anything else in its market.

my wife is a kids librarian and my best friend is doing van-life. in EVERY LIBRARY around the US theres like a line of kids signed up to wait for their turn to play roblox. nobody subscribes to roblox like wow, which is the genius of it, roblox points go to games and creators and cosmetics on the service. I own 36 shares and I almost regret not buying more, I have all sorts of limits to scoop it up if it dips. You wont "get tired of Roblox" since there's tons of different games and things.

Super for real non SA joking i'm in love with roblox stock

That's no how this works though. The growth potential of these kinds of tech companies is already priced in. You are buying in because you expect the company to surpass the growth expectations of the market, which might work out for you or not. The company might go to the moon and you could still lose money on it.

Like, Tesla is a good example of this. The current stock price is so high that no amount of growth will ever justify the stock price. It could become the biggest car manufacturer in the world and you would still hold overvalued stock that could lose you money as soon as the next market correction comes.

bus hustler
Mar 14, 2019

Ha Ha Ha... YES!
Disagree that it was already priced in, got in slightly below the listed public open in that very brief initial dip to 60. From my personal research on the subject, and random rear end ~gut feelings~ I am bullish on the stock at below $65 and see nothing that will change that right now.

Also someone who bought Tesla a year ago has made $600 per share in profit why the gently caress do they care about holding it long term or Tesla's actual underlying anything?

Uber is still up from its IPO & hasnt been available under $27 since April 2020. I just want number to go up and then sell, nobody goes broke taking profits.

bus hustler fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Mar 11, 2021

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


bus hustler posted:

Disagree that it was already priced in, got in slightly below the listed public open in that very brief initial dip to 60. From my personal research on the subject, and random rear end ~gut feelings~ I am bullish on the stock at below $65 and see nothing that will change that right now.

Also someone who bought Tesla a year ago has made $600 per share in profit why the gently caress do they care about holding it long term or Tesla's actual underlying anything?

Uber is still up from its IPO & hasnt been available under $27 since April 2020. I just want number to go up and then sell, nobody goes broke taking profits.

you don't make a profit until you sell

Hairy Right Hook
Sep 9, 2001

Hee to the ho
This thread makes me think the stock market is like a craps table, you basically want everyone making the same bet as you do until that one time you don't and then you win big. Except you get the other players' money instead of the house's.

That's the dream of course but the reality is you lose your shirt in 10 minutes and can only take solace in the fact that you're already on a riverboat so drowning yourself is a short jaunt away.

Sentient Data
Aug 31, 2011

My molecule scrambler ray will disintegrate your armor with one blow!
I'll be thrilled if the gme debacle opens everyone's eyes to just how hosed the stock market has been for the past few decades (if not longer, of course). Stocks and index funds are awesome in principle, but modern legalized gambling on top of the system has screwed over the economy and the way companies are run. Don't get me wrong, gambling is also totally fine, but it shouldn't be directly tied to non-gamers' livelihoods

naem
May 29, 2011

Sentient Data posted:

I'll be thrilled if the gme debacle opens everyone's eyes to just how hosed the stock market has been for the past few decades (if not longer, of course). Stocks and index funds are awesome in principle, but modern legalized gambling on top of the system has screwed over the economy and the way companies are run. Don't get me wrong, gambling is also totally fine, but it shouldn't be directly tied to non-gamers' livelihoods

it’s like someone’s craps table addiction controls our retirement

Sophy Wackles
Dec 17, 2000

> access main security grid
access: PERMISSION DENIED.





naem posted:

it’s like someone’s craps table addiction controls our retirement

lol if you haven't moved 100% of your retirement savings into GME

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

bus hustler posted:

Disagree that it was already priced in, got in slightly below the listed public open in that very brief initial dip to 60. From my personal research on the subject, and random rear end ~gut feelings~ I am bullish on the stock at below $65 and see nothing that will change that right now.

the market cap of roblox is $45 billion

the market cap of activision, the biggest game company, which makes twice as much in profit per year as roblox does revenue, is $70 billion


The only reason to believe that growth hasn't already been priced in is if you are swallowing hype articles like "Welcome to the metaverse, the sci-fi dream behind Roblox's $38 billion valuation" that claim that it's possible that in the future all games will be inside Roblox. Which is complete bullshit. Roblox is a neat beginner tinker-toy engine, but it can't do that.

The stock hype is being driven by people who don't understand (or are willfully ignoring) that making a game in Roblox and making GTA are about as similar as a bottle rocket and a moon rocket.

A Strange Aeon
Mar 26, 2010

You are now a slimy little toad
The Great Twist
Someone post a picture of what Roblox looks like, to drive home what the future of all gaming could look like please.

spunkshui
Oct 5, 2011



Klyith posted:

the market cap of roblox is $45 billion

the market cap of activision, the biggest game company, which makes twice as much in profit per year as roblox does revenue, is $70 billion


The only reason to believe that growth hasn't already been priced in is if you are swallowing hype articles like "Welcome to the metaverse, the sci-fi dream behind Roblox's $38 billion valuation" that claim that it's possible that in the future all games will be inside Roblox. Which is complete bullshit. Roblox is a neat beginner tinker-toy engine, but it can't do that.

The stock hype is being driven by people who don't understand (or are willfully ignoring) that making a game in Roblox and making GTA are about as similar as a bottle rocket and a moon rocket.

GameStop is currently holding at $250 a share.

The value of a company might depend more on how many Memes have been created in support of it rather than how much profit it made last year.

I mean look at Tesla.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

bus hustler posted:

Disagree that it was already priced in, got in slightly below the listed public open in that very brief initial dip to 60. From my personal research on the subject, and random rear end ~gut feelings~ I am bullish on the stock at below $65 and see nothing that will change that right now.

Also someone who bought Tesla a year ago has made $600 per share in profit why the gently caress do they care about holding it long term or Tesla's actual underlying anything?

Uber is still up from its IPO & hasnt been available under $27 since April 2020. I just want number to go up and then sell, nobody goes broke taking profits.

Ok, now look at the much higher number of hype companies that are trading below their IPO value now.

The point with tesla is that no amount of growth or good management or whatever could make the company stock ever a good investment so there is no point in trying to justify the purchase with fundamentals or how much you think electric cars are the future. It's an asset bubble. You can make a shitton of money by gambling with it and that's ok but there is no reason to drag fundamentals or numbers into it. Go ahead and gamble with Roblox, it's really fun and it's ok. But if you make money don't buy into the delusion that you were somehow smarter than the market or made a wise investment cause that kind of hubris will bite you in the rear end sooner or later.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

spunkshui posted:

GameStop is currently holding at $250 a share.

The value of a company might depend more on how many Memes have been created in support of it rather than how much profit it made last year.

I mean look at Tesla.

so when you pull the lever and get 3 rare pepes, you win big?

if you go to a casino and put down the same amount of money, at least you get free booze

Hairy Right Hook
Sep 9, 2001

Hee to the ho

GABA ghoul posted:

You can make a shitton of money by gambling with it and that's ok but there is no reason to drag fundamentals or numbers into it. Go ahead and gamble with Roblox, it's really fun and it's ok. But if you make money don't buy into the delusion that you were somehow smarter than the market or made a wise investment cause that kind of hubris will bite you in the rear end sooner or later.

I don't think you understand the headspace of a degenerate gambler...

spunkshui
Oct 5, 2011



Klyith posted:

so when you pull the lever and get 3 rare pepes, you win big?

if you go to a casino and put down the same amount of money, at least you get free booze

Its not pure gambling, this dice has a bunch of poo poo stuck to one side and I can see how it might roll.

If the bubble pops before the stimulus hits the country and its below $50 a share im gona put some money on it being pumped again.

Lightning doesn't tend to just strike the ground twice in the same area without a reason.

Think about how many dumb people now have a phone app that lets them inflate the next bubble.

What I don't have is the balls to wait past a 50% gain to the now 700% gain some people have.

That's gamboling.

This wont keep going forever but the I would be surprised if we don't see it tried once post stimulus.

edit: I don't think its going to go down fast enough though.

Hairy Right Hook
Sep 9, 2001

Hee to the ho

spunkshui posted:

Its not pure gambling, this dice has a bunch of poo poo stuck to one side and I can see how it might roll.

If the bubble pops before the stimulus hits the country and its below $50 a share im gona put some money on it being pumped again.

Lightning doesn't tend to just strike the ground twice in the same area without a reason.

Think about how many dumb people now have a phone app that lets them inflate the next bubble.

What I don't have is the balls to wait past a 50% gain to the now 700% gain some people have.

That's gamboling.

This wont keep going forever but the I would be surprised if we don't see it tried once post stimulus.

edit: I don't think its going to go down fast enough though.

This guy gets it

"I'm not gambling this time, it's a sure thing!!!"

Repeat until all the money is gone

spunkshui
Oct 5, 2011



Hairy Right Hook posted:

This guy gets it

"I'm not gambling this time, it's a sure thing!!!"

I dont know whats more crazy: My idea, or them not selling now.

You hold a stock because you think it has a higher future.

The options market on that thing is loving insane lol.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/GME/options/

numberoneposter
Feb 19, 2014

How much do I cum? The answer might surprise you!


WE WANT ROBLOX! WE WANT ROBLOX! WE WANT ROBLOX!

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

A Strange Aeon posted:

Someone post a picture of what Roblox looks like, to drive home what the future of all gaming could look like please.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
i'll draw the roblox picture for 2 ETH, 1 gamestop, or 2 robloxes

Sophy Wackles
Dec 17, 2000

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Behold the future of gaming that all games from now on will be built on:

vyst
Aug 25, 2009



Profits are for pussies real men take losses and hide them in their taxes

gary oldmans diary
Sep 26, 2005
the only possible explanation is that someone on facebook spread a meme telling people that putting everything into gamestop was the best way to own the libs

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

bus hustler posted:

i just want the stock to go up


lol no company is valued correctly right now, pretending the market is still rational and not stuffed with cash is silly. i like the stock to continue to go up in this market, and in return, make me money.

edit: I could sell the shares i bought yesterday slightly below open for close to a $1000 profit this morning and walk away.

i did exactly that yesterday, i got some shares at opening and sold them about 3 minutes later for a tidy ~12% profit. overvalued, volatile stock like this is not something you hold long term as the price is driven completely by sentiment and can crater just as easily as it soars

besides, cathy wood's ark etf just bought 500k shares, which gives it the official stamp of an overvalued, risky memestonk

Punkinhead
Apr 2, 2015

bus hustler posted:

my wife is a kids librarian and my best friend is doing van-life. in EVERY LIBRARY around the US theres like a line of kids signed up to wait for their turn to play roblox.

When I was a kid it was runescape and habbo we were all lining up to use at the library, and it was the same at every library I went to for a long time

Not even joking I seriously still remember my entire 13-digit library card number from almost 2 decades ago because the computers required it be entered manually every 30 minutes and that's nothin when ur trying to grind ur thief skill in east ardougne

e : kids would watch other kids log on in nearby computer stalls to steal their login info, i saw a kid get beat up for it once lol

Punkinhead fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Mar 11, 2021

numberoneposter
Feb 19, 2014

How much do I cum? The answer might surprise you!

im an expert investor

give me $10k and ill turn it into $7k

Khablam
Mar 29, 2012

roblox is popular with 6-10 year olds because you dont need a gaming pc or even a console to play it on, and 99% of everything on it is free
thats it, thats why kids play it. it also answers how it lost money in the biggest boom year for gaming in recent history

its stock price is based on the same principles as bitcoin

Brother Tadger
Feb 15, 2012

I'm accidentally a suicide bomber!

A Strange Aeon posted:

Someone post a picture of what Roblox looks like, to drive home what the future of all gaming could look like please.

Behold, the future of video games (as promised by media from the 90s)

Sophy Wackles
Dec 17, 2000

> access main security grid
access: PERMISSION DENIED.





Where can I buy some roblox hats? I have 2 million to invest.

numberoneposter
Feb 19, 2014

How much do I cum? The answer might surprise you!

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spunkshui
Oct 5, 2011



Short interest may have fallen, but it’s still significant: $2.76 billion with 11.18 million shares shorted, 20.52% short interest percent of float or 17.02%, depending on how you calculate it, according to Dusaniwsky. (S3 prefers the latter, as it doesn’t count the synthetic longs created from a short sale. If this is confusing, S3 has a good explainer here.)
To put this into context, fellow meme stock AMC Entertainment has a short interest percentage of float of 17.32%. Tesla, another famously shorted company, is at 5.98%, and Amazon at 1.03%.
“This has not been a profitable trading week for GME short sellers, after being down -$1.36 billion on Monday and Tuesday,” Dusaniwsky said. “[Wednesday’s] +7% price move added another -$202 million in additional mark-to-market losses.”

All in, GameStop shorts have now lost $6.8 billion year-to-date, Dusaniwsky said.

Lol

https://apple.news/AYThV9PclTHeagkbvGAU4Zg

bees everywhere
Nov 19, 2002

I tried Roblox with my kids and it seemed like they were going for a Minecraft meets BYOND type of thing. All I can say is it's definitely worth the $0 price tag.

... Now after typing that I feel a strong urge to reinstall BYOND. Every goon knows of SS13 but some might not be aware of the superior BYOND game...


edit: I am not a gaming advisor. I just love the games.

bees everywhere fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Mar 11, 2021

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QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

I don't think that it's possible for a game to be bad if its author is named SuperSaiyanGokuX

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