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Pinstripe Hourglass posted:What do they like, though? Most of them don’t like WWE, or even watch NJPW. I don’t see them posting about the indies. A lot of what they hate about AEW was super common in WCW and Mid-South and Memphis.
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You could make the argument that the promotion that's closest to what they claim to want - storyline driven, more of a focus on in-match storytelling using basic moves rather than BIG MOVES and FLIPS dominating every match; a promotion that takes itself mostly seriously but not without dropping all of the showmanship - is actually Tokyo Joshi Pro Wrestling and I think that's an interesting argument to explore actually. In various Discords I'm in there are a few old-school wrestling fans who are really into TJPW because of the above things: one of them talks fairly regularly about how its impressive that they have been able to make moves like bodyslams that are usually pure transitional moves into things that matter even in bigger matches and I think its an interesting idea. Now the whole presentation of TJPW sort of counters that and a lot of people can't get into that (and that's fair; there's never going to be a promotion that suits everyone and that's a good thing) but I still think there's something there that's worth thinking about. But yeah I'd agree with the idea of the sort of wrestling they talk about never really existing: at least long-term unless you ignore plenty of dumb things. Anyway lets go back to the angry veterans that would HATE Maki Itoh: I'm sure one of the biggest women's wrestling stars of all time would heavily dislike people that sing themselves to the ring and think that all wrestlers should be super serious all the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnchQRCsNGQ Oh, wait a minute Chigusa Nagayo was a legit pop star as part of the Crush Gals; she sang as part of the intermission on AJW shows where she'd later wrestle (the build for the second Nagayo-Dump Matsumoto Hair vs Hair match was started by Dump attacking her while she was performing and going after her with scissors) and even now the rare times she's in a Big Match she'll sing as part of her entrance since who on earth is going to tell Chigusa Nagayo that she's not allowed to.
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Yeah this group I feel sorry for. WWE fans, at least, seem to like what WWE does and so they've got a promotion that does the thing they want and good for them. The anti-fun-in-wrestling crowd seems to want a form of pro wrestling that does not exist and likely never did.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Yeah this group I feel sorry for. WWE fans, at least, seem to like what WWE does and so they've got a promotion that does the thing they want and good for them. I don't even think they would watch a product that was exactly as they claim to want either, though.
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Lid posted:D E A R T O N Y K H A N
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man wrestling fans make me dislike wrestling a whole lot
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JOHN CENA posted:man wrestling fans make me dislike wrestling a whole lot I get caught in this mindset sometimes and it does defeat me a bit. I had a hard 2020 and many goons know that. You’re not alone, is what I’m saying. I understand periodic negativity about wanting things better and offering constructive feedback, but I’ve learned even more recently that many of these folks are inherently negative. There are no positive comments or joy in anything they talk about. And if so, it’s just rare compared to other comments or feedback. So, I discredit that now as opposed to put weight on it and that’s at least helped me continue to stay in the happy-go-lucky state of mind that I like to always be in, especially in a time when mental health absolutely has taken a toll on me and others in my circle. Tons of negatives in things, especially in wrestling, but you know, there’s a ton of positives that just don’t get spotlighted by those who associate with it as fans, performers, etc.
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just ignore twitter and watch what you enjoy.
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davidbix posted:Y'all are missing the best part of this, which is that he thought Rebel was Vickie Guerrero.
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Mar 12, 2021 00:17
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The 7th of October 1998 Hyper Visual Fighting Arsion ARSION Twinstar of ARSION show was good and all other wrestling is worthless garbage, IMO.
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Royal Updog posted:The 7th of October 1998 Hyper Visual Fighting Arsion ARSION Twinstar of ARSION show was good and all other wrestling is worthless garbage, IMO. hell yeah ARSION rules everyone should watch it
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JOHN CENA posted:man wrestling fans make me dislike wrestling a whole lot It’s easy for me to also feel this way not having been to a wrestling show in over a year, but then I remember every wrestling show I went to, most people were really friendly and excited about wrestling. The miserable Twitter/Reddit people just get amplified when online is the only way I’m interacting with wrestling.
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Pinstripe Hourglass posted:What do they like, though? Most of them don’t like WWE, or even watch NJPW. I don’t see them posting about the indies. A lot of what they hate about AEW was super common in WCW and Mid-South and Memphis. They don't actually like anything. It makes them feel elite and cultured to poo poo on something popular, and for many this is all just another front in the endless parade of right-wing culture wars.
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JUNGLE BOY posted:It’s easy for me to also feel this way not having been to a wrestling show in over a year, but then I remember every wrestling show I went to, most people were really friendly and excited about wrestling. Yeah, every live show I've been to has been a great experience with friendly nice people. Like for 30 years. It's a surprisingly inclusive group.
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i just couldn't care less ever about what some dipshit says just because they like (or tangentially talk about) something i like. i definitely don't understand what makes these people tick or what they get out of being so toxic and weird but that's their problem. the second it bleeds into the shows itself (i.e. hhh talking about the Marks) is when it becomes intolerable though
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davidbix posted:Y'all are missing the best part of this, which is that he thought Rebel was Vickie Guerrero. you've got to be better than this david
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Does "GirlOnCinema" go in here or cornhole? I've forced myself to not pay any attention to her up to this point but her trying hard as she can to just lose her channel is bizzarely compelling to me.
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MJeff posted:Does "GirlOnCinema" go in here or cornhole? I've forced myself to not pay any attention to her up to this point but her trying hard as she can to just lose her channel is bizzarely compelling to me. No idea what this is but it sounds godawful. Gonna watch the banana song out of beetlejuice to cleanse my pallet. I know it is problematic but deep down in my soul I don't really care about being good.
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I know nothing about this character, are they are self-destructive grifter posting really terrible and acerbic poo poo that is also offensive to one degree or another, because that is what I think of when I think of stuff that should be tossed into the cornhole for bad vibes. Your Joey Ryans, your Mike Quackenbushes, your Austin Arieses et cetera.
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I think they kind of ride Corney's coattails
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go by whether or not it will generate discussion on that guy or stay on topic
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if you're wrong you get put in bad trouble.
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jesus WEP posted:Vickie did beat up on Shida in that clip though
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karmicknight posted:I know nothing about this character, are they are self-destructive grifter posting really terrible and acerbic poo poo that is also offensive to one degree or another, because that is what I think of when I think of stuff that should be tossed into the cornhole for bad vibes. Your Joey Ryans, your Mike Quackenbushes, your Austin Arieses et cetera. I think so? I dunno. I'll just put it in Cornhole.
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davidbix posted:OK, I feel like an idiot. What timestamp? I only saw Rebel getting involved. 00:02
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Destroy My Sweater posted:what causes this sort of brain poisoning jobbernation guy needs to def sign off for like a week, he is straight up brokenbrained
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what is this alternate world https://twitter.com/VWE_45/status/1370119638860840960 that whole VWE 45 account is some amazing craziness, including in between posts about how AEW sucks and Trump rules that we are all sinners and God don't care if you believe in him you WILL got to heaven or hell Lid fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Mar 12, 2021 |
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Are they arguing the same thing but also arguing with eachother?
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:Are they arguing the same thing but also arguing with eachother? Forget it Jake, it's Twittertown
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Benne posted:Bayleno I have questions.
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davidbix posted:OK that came and went pretty fast! just fuggin' with my boy
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Dawgstar posted:I have questions. The poo poo head Twitter crowd thinks Bayley has a big chin.
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Gumball Gumption posted:I think they kind of ride Corney's coattails Her pinned tweet is her calling herself Jim Cornette's long lost granddaughter so er, yes
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I've spent a lot of time, probably more than is healthy, talking and arguing with self-professed old-school wrestling purists who think anything made after 1987 is garbage. I've learned that their are 2 things at the root of their mindset(at least in the individuals I've talked to, which is a sample size of like, 5): 1) They want wrestling to be exactly like it was when they, personally, were children and thought it was real. What they consider 'looks real' is whatever was commonplace during that time period, and anything beyond that 'looks fake' and has 'obvious cooperation' and is 'unrealistic'. For example, writhing around in pain after a moderate impact move is 'realistic' to them, while not selling sufficiently selling is unrealistic, in spite of decades of boxing and UFC showing the world how humans actually react to pain during real combat situations. 2) You know how when you see a new move, new sequence, or a new kinda gimmick match or some other novel thing on a wrestling show, you get a little serotonin tingle and you're like "Hey! Something new!"? They don't get that. Their joy from wrestling comes from the comfort of familiarity.
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Takuan posted:I've spent a lot of time, probably more than is healthy, talking and arguing with self-professed old-school wrestling purists who think anything made after 1987 is garbage. You think there's a new school of those types coming up who feel that way about 2000 (or 2008)? Or did most of them just go away completely?
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collocation posted:You think there's a new school of those types coming up who feel that way about 2000 (or 2008)? Or did most of them just go away completely? If there are, I have not personally run in to them.
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I feel like there's definitely a bunch of Attitude Era purists out there
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There are Attitude Era purists, but they seem to be a different breed than Old School Purists. I haven't really interacted with these types in-depth, but they seem to believe that wrestling in the late 90s was only popular due to the things like unprotected chairshots, juvenile risque humor, and the objectification of women. And honestly, they might be right. Those kinds of things may have actually been what drew the 'casual audience' of the time.
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