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golden bubble posted:https://www.theatlantic.com/magazin..._campaign=share Thanks, this is pretty great reading.
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Atlantic Ocean circulation at weakest in a millennium, say scientistsquote:The Atlantic Ocean circulation that underpins the Gulf Stream, the weather system that brings warm and mild weather to Europe, is at its weakest in more than a millennium, and climate breakdown is the probable cause, according to new data. E: a good opinion article: https://twitter.com/dwallacewells/status/1364979937808121856?s=19 I am... not having an optimistic day. Martian fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Feb 25, 2021 |
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quote:the Electric Reliability Council of Texas’ worst-case scenario planning used a 2011 cold snap that was a one-in-10-year weather event. It wasn’t even the worst cold Texas experienced in living memory: in 1989 temperatures and electricity generation (as a percentage of peak demand) dropped even further than they did in 2011. Texas hadn’t just failed to prepare for the far future. It failed to prepare for the recent past. gently caress's sake.
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well how many more times is the polar Jetstream going to divert wildly
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Feb 26, 2021 05:27
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All the time please I am currently in the tropics and hate hot weather.
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VideoTapir posted:All the time please I am currently in the tropics and hate hot weather. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/mar/08/global-heating-tropical-regions-human-livability Well, at least it won't be a problem for long. 
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So where in the USA is smart to live for the next 40 years? In terms of disasters and what not. Assuming you have resources and money. North Washington? Idaho? Minnesota?
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LionArcher posted:So where in the USA is smart to live for the next 40 years? In terms of disasters and what not. Assuming you have resources and money. North Washington? Idaho? Minnesota? PNW slightly east of I-5 so a Cascadia subduction quake/tsunami can't really do a lot to you (but forest fires sure as gently caress can) as well as anywhere along the Great Lakes. Stay out of the breadbasket states since it's a near-certainty another Dust Bowl's coming eventually. People seem to like Michigan/Wisconsin/Minnesota but I'd honestly say upstate NY would be better simply because you're closer to the oceans/ports. Baltimore, Boston, and New York are still going to be around for a good long time and be trading/shipping hubs.
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LionArcher posted:So where in the USA is smart to live for the next 40 years? In terms of disasters and what not. Assuming you have resources and money. North Washington? Idaho? Minnesota? Nowhere in the USA is smart to live, write your representative and demand they purchase Greenland.
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If you're an American, see if you can qualify for a visa to New Zealand. I'm working on mine, as my niche field is in need there. Also, don't sleep on Finland, and their computer toucher recruitment drives.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:PNW slightly east of I-5 so a Cascadia subduction quake/tsunami can't really do a lot to you (but forest fires sure as gently caress can) as well as anywhere along the Great Lakes. Stay out of the breadbasket states since it's a near-certainty another Dust Bowl's coming eventually. I’m PNW currently west of the fault in the same valley as the big fire this last fall. From what I can see fire is our main concern. The area is very good for growing things though. Eventually water too is a concern, but that’s gonna be everywhere.
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Washington State's only water issue will be when the federal government forces us to sell our water to California.
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LionArcher posted:So where in the USA is smart to live for the next 40 years? In terms of disasters and what not. Assuming you have resources and money. North Washington? Idaho? Minnesota? Cheyenne Mountain.
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LionArcher posted:So where in the USA is smart to live for the next 40 years? In terms of disasters and what not. Assuming you have resources and money. North Washington? Idaho? Minnesota? Preferably Washington State so you can quickly make it into Canada if you're a very savvy person you'll learn another language so that you can emigrate from Canada to the rest of the world easily without dealing with a possible fascist us not allowing anyone to travel
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If/when the US goes full fashy the only place to hide will be somewhere that has nothing the fascists want (this includes food). Canada's lousy with extremely valuable natural resources and a fascist US would forcibly annex the country in half a heartbeat. In short, if/when the US goes full fashy there'll be nowhere to hide where that won't be actively complicating and/or ruining your way of life.
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LionArcher posted:So where in the USA is smart to live for the next 40 years? In terms of disasters and what not. Assuming you have resources and money. North Washington? Idaho? Minnesota? Great Lakes adjacent, large plot of hilly land in a quiet area with good access to canadian border
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China aims to be carbon neutral by 2060. Its new 5-year plan won’t (quite) cut it. For now.quote:0n Friday, China released a draft summary of its 14th Five-Year Plan, the all-important document that not only guides the country’s economic development but also has huge consequences for global carbon dioxide emissions and climate change. The new plan’s 2025 emissions goals reflect an ongoing contradiction between China’s short-term and long-term climate goals.
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LionArcher posted:So where in the USA is smart to live for the next 40 years? In terms of disasters and what not. Assuming you have resources and money. North Washington? Idaho? Minnesota? The Midwest. But I wouldn't look at it from primarily a geographical level because absolutely no where on this planet will be safe. The best way to be safe is to live in a place with a supportive community and well run governments. Individual can't survive this on their own, you need people to work together. Essentially, if the all of the corrupt Republicans in Florida suddenly flipped their State into with massive climate change safety nets from UBI to Flood Protection programs that'd honestly might be better than even living in a land locked State like South Dakota where you are pretty much on your own.
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The Midwest is going to either be a dust bowl or a marsh, with storm/tornado season getting earlier and lasting longer each year. Again, if you HAVE to stay in the US, upstate NY. If you have to stay in the US and enjoy having the ability to potentially defend yourself, although it pains me to say this, Ohio or Wisconsin.
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The Midwest will be still be the Midwest just with shittier weather and additional random crazy weather. It's not going to turn into a giant dustbowl or marsh. At least, not in our lifetimes or our kids but maybe great-great-great-great-great grandkids.
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LionArcher posted:So where in the USA is smart to live for the next 40 years? In terms of disasters and what not. Assuming you have resources and money. North Washington? Idaho? Minnesota? I'm from Vermont and my parents still live there. I think they would do as well as anywhere else that people have mentioned. They are starting from a cool, humid climate to begin with and a few degrees of warming might make most of the year more pleasant. There is already a culture of sustainability, buying local and eating local, and precipitation tend to be steady year round. There are lots of lakes and rivers. They have an effective government, currently a moderate Republican governor, a Democrat and Democratic Socialist senators. On just about every measure Vermont has had the best COVID response of any state. But the correct answer is if we are talking about mass movements of climate refugees, then all of us are screwed. That will mean wide areas of the world will be uninhabitable. There will be places that will remain very habitable like New Zealand, Vermont and the rest of Northern New England, Ireland, Canada etc but these places can't absorb millions or billions of climate refugees. What will likely happen in marginally livable areas is anyone with means will get out or get to high ground. The poor and marginalized will either stay put or be pushed into those areas and they have to put up with heat, storms, drought, floods and nuisance tides, and have to do so while living in poverty, desperation, and violence or even war. Getting back to Democratic Socialist senators, lots of people laughed at Bernie in 2016 when he said that climate change contributed to the war in Syria, but if you actually thought about it you realize he was right. If half the world turns into Syria, then the other half won't be that much better off. Vermont will not be a bubble of civic pride and farmers markets, even if the climate remains comfortable.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Preferably Washington State so you can quickly make it into Canada if you're a very savvy person you'll learn another language so that you can emigrate from Canada to the rest of the world easily without dealing with a possible fascist us not allowing anyone to travel I don't understand why more Americans don't avail of the foreign passport options at their disposal. I get not everyone has the resources, but for a lot of countries it doesn't take much at all, maybe just a processing fee. As an Irish person I'm kinda glad that the tens of millions of Americans eligible for an Irish passport aren't doing so, but I would if the situation were reversed because the window of opportunity is going to be closed at some point in the future. And an Irish passport entitles you to live and work in the 26 other EU countries as well as the UK
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When I had nothing and lived in TN the 115$ for a passport felt pretty insane. Picture fee. Processing fee. Etc. I actually ended up getting one then it got stolen in less than a year. Had to go through the poo poo nasty process of declaring it missing 5 years later and then paying again 
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Yeah again, I get it's not possible for everyone, and I guess there is some additional hassle like making sure you can prove your grandpa was an Irish citizen, but it's still under-used in a way which I feel reflects a lack of concern for the future trajectory of the US (or maybe the same people are also not convinced of the future stability of the EU, which is fair I guess)
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The best place to survive climate change is the place where you have strong community ties, where you have friends and family, where you are part of the in-group, not the out-group. Because everywhere will face dire impacts from climate change, some more than others, but community resilience is a bigger source of stability and survivability than local resource availability. Moving to the great lakes or ireland doesn't help if you die alone in a shack because no one trusts you enough to let you borrow enough flour to survive over the winter. Better to be with the in-group you can leverage your social knowledge and existing connections instead of in a "perfect" location. So it still will be better to be amongst your community, even in a big city like LA or DFW. Even if your resource shortages become dire, it will be the ones with strong community resilience who survive. Better to be the organized raider than the loner with a stockpile, etc.
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I already have systems in place to be the loner raider with a stockpile though?
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Yeah that's fair enough. I see a second passport more like a bug-out bag, neither will probably be much use in reality but nice to have regardless
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No offense but do you goons suggesting leaving the US intend to rejoin families abroad and such? I wouldn't ever leave my few remaining folks here in USA when it goes fash unless they also had a plan to gtfo.
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Trabisnikof posted:The best place to survive climate change is the place where you have strong community ties, where you have friends and family, where you are part of the in-group, not the out-group. Good point. Hopefully I'm never a climate refugee, but if I am the correct answer for me is Vermont. The correct answer for someone else might be Ontario. We will pull through as a community. No one benefits from hoarding supplies. In fact if you did stockpile 3 years worth of food and fuel in some far off place where you don't know anyone you will have a target on your back if it's a time of shortages and you have no community to support you. If you're lucky the local government will requisition your stuff, if you're unlucky a vigilante mob will.
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You seem to be very convinced of how people are going to behave. Personally I'm going to be doing my best impersonation of a cardboard box on top of some Wendy's or something with a mirror pointed to the road where I will take note of every group that passes my radius size, level of organization, type of vehicles, proficiency, etc all while not moving a muscle in my little shade in the corner above the drive thru window with my guns loaded and tire popping devices spread the gently caress everywhere on the ground below I'm looking forward stalking and shadowing a mob and witnessing them tear themselves apart
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Sjs00 posted:You seem to be very convinced of how people are going to behave. Personally I'm going to be doing my best impersonation of a cardboard box on top of some Wendy's or something with a mirror pointed to the road where I will take note of every group that passes my radius size, level of organization, type of vehicles, proficiency, etc all while not moving a muscle in my little shade in the corner above the drive thru window with my guns loaded and tire popping devices spread the gently caress everywhere on the ground below 
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I always remember some scifi book from the 70s about a comet hitting earth and a tidal wave knocking out most of the west coast— some upper middle class astronomy professor main character is like “there are tons of supplies up at the observatory where I spend one a week a year! Let’s go there! We will be safe and can wait it out!” Then by the time they get there tons of locals and like anyone with half a brain had already invaded the place, looted it, or were squatting and saying “get lost whatcha gonna do call the cops?” Every time I think of preppers and hoarders I think of that. Or the end of Day of the Triffids where a warlords just marches into the main characters completely sustainable farm and declares it his because he has guns and a tank. I guess the morale of the story is either join up a warlord or become one ASAP?
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Preppers also make a big deal out of fleeing cities towards the obviously safer (and minority-free) countryside, when historically during societal breakdowns it is urban centers that end up the focus of efforts to maintain stability, while the periphery is left to decay and raided for resources.
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Conspiratiorist posted:Preppers also make a big deal out of fleeing cities towards the obviously safer (and minority-free) countryside, when historically during societal breakdowns it is urban centers that end up the focus of efforts to maintain stability, while the periphery is left to decay and raided for resources. Preppers always think they’re going to be the raiders, not the raidees.
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Oracle posted:Preppers always think they’re going to be the raiders, not the raidees. A lot of preppers also entertain fantasies of fully justified self defense castle law killing sprees against "those people" in their preferred end of days scenario.
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Conspiratiorist posted:Preppers also make a big deal out of fleeing cities towards the obviously safer (and minority-free) countryside, when historically during societal breakdowns it is urban centers that end up the focus of efforts to maintain stability, while the periphery is left to decay and raided for resources. Not from the history I've read? During societal breakdowns cities shrink and the population flees to the countryside (not with great results for them perhaps) and central authority declines, so it's not as capable of this robbing the periphery anyway. See roman decline and bronze age collapse for instance. This doesn't work for preppers because they are not from those places, don't integrate into those places and don't join the community, they have a very city-person view of the whole thing and completely miss the point, that these small places are tightly knit communities who will join together and hoard resources in a more communal way, instead of fighting each other (disclaimer: maybe different in the UK/US, you're a screwed up and classist society in a lot of ways). So likely they are likely to be outside the communities they are trying to hide in and fail in their efforts, likely they will be raided by their neighbors who will redistribute their stores to the community. If they are lucky they'll get to join in like anyone else. Also nowadays at least in Finland, the country side has had an increasing percentage of minorites since the 80s, which has been nice as it offsets the population drain. His Divine Shadow fucked around with this message at 08:12 on Mar 13, 2021 |
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