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I spent the big bucks and bought the fancy Spanish garum supposedly close to the original thing https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CRMQZP5 it’s pretty good! tastes a lot like asian fish sauce but a bit milder. we’ve used it for pasta sauce and a couple other things so far e: quote:Flor de Garum is a premium Spanish fish sauce made from an ancient recipe from the 3rd century A.D., found in a European abbey. Made with only the finest anchovies, salt, and spices, this exquisite sauce adds a complex umami flavor to salad dressings, pasta dishes, or other sauce preparations. Delicate, savory and complex, Matiz Flor de Garum is a fish sauce unlike you’ve tasted before. Garum is the ancient Roman version of fish sauce, and was a ubiquitous condiment in that era. Its savory “umami” flavor added color and definition to ordinary foods (you could say it was their version of ketchup!). Garum was made with similar ingredients as an Asian fish sauce – fish, salt and spices – however, the amount of salt used was much less, resulting in more of the proteins being extracted from the fermenting fish. These proteins lent a greater flavor complexity to the sauce. Use it in salad dressings, marinades, pasta dishes, or add a splash to finished dishes. For a simple sauce that goes with just about anything, add chopped garlic, a bit of vinegar and hot peppers.
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Fish of hemp posted:I've wondered how it would have felt being a Italian farmer when suddenly some centurio rides in, hands you a club, tells you're an auxiliary now and next thing you know you're fighting an elephant. Biggest thing you have seen is a bull and you know how dangerous that is. At least for the socii, you would have equivalent arms to a legionary. The italian allies were expected to match the number of legions the Romans did when called to fight, and they fought in a similar way to the Romans and had similar equipment. Obviously for your greater point that probably happened and goddamn it would suck rear end.
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quote:The complaint tablet to Ea-nasir (UET V 81) is a clay tablet from ancient Babylon written c. 1750 BC. It is a complaint to a merchant named Ea-nasir from a customer named Nanni. Written in Akkadian cuneiform, it is considered to be the oldest known written complaint. It is currently kept in the British Museum. quote:The tablet was translated by Assyriologist A. Leo Oppenheim in his out-of-print 1967 book, Letters From Mesopotamia: Official, Business, and Private Letters on Clay Tablets from Two Millennia, and reads as follows: https://twitter.com/TheStalwart/status/1369309628119539714?s=20 twoday has issued a correction as of 03:40 on Mar 12, 2021 |
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oh gently caress yes
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Lmao
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happy to inspire you in the econ thread.
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Real hurthling! posted:happy to inspire you in the econ thread. much like Ea-Nasir and the tablet of Nanni, I did not read your post there however it is pleasing unto my heart to know that I am not the only one to be intrigued by tales of Near Eastern copper ingot fraud
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https://www.facebook.com/onaccountofthatonetriflingMinaofsilverthatIoweyou/videos/1743407212340433 masterpiece of a meme from 4 years ago
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lol I hope that memepost ends up in a museum 4000 years from now
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Centrist Committee posted:lol I hope that memepost ends up in a museum 4000 years from now mint the nft
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thousand year old proof that merchants can never be trusted is awesome
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twoday posted:https://www.facebook.com/onaccountofthatonetriflingMinaofsilverthatIoweyou/videos/1743407212340433 that mina of silver is trifling!
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it's apparently 0.57 kg which seems like quite a lot of silver to me? maybe nanni should have just paid what he owed and shut the gently caress up about it
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XMNN posted:it's apparently 0.57 kg which seems like quite a lot of silver to me? it's 60 shekels! Around that time (per Hammurabi's Code) that'd get you 6 years of peasant labor!
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how do people argue that capitalism isn't an inherent trait of civilization when the first written thing was literally a complaint over a capitalist transaction
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because that copper was produced for its use-value not it's exchange value
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Ghostlight posted:There's an important distinction to be made between capital and capitalism - one does not beget the other - and also Marxist capital which is another thing entirely.
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Take cognizance that (from now on) I will not accept here any probation from you that is not of fine quality. I shall (from now on) select and take the probations individually on my own rap sheet, and I shall exercise against you my right of rejection because you have treated me with contempt.
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Eox posted:Take cognizance that (from now on) I will not accept here any probation from you that is not of fine quality. I shall (from now on) select and take the probations individually on my own rap sheet, and I shall exercise against you my right of rejection because you have treated me with contempt. (USER HAS BEEN SENT BACK EMPTY-HANDED, AND THAT THROUGH ENEMY TERRITORY FOR THIS POST)
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Real hurthling! has issued a correction as of 00:24 on Mar 13, 2021 |
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antikythera mechanism better understood by computer modeling
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twoday posted:(USER HAS BEEN SENT BACK EMPTY-HANDED, AND THAT THROUGH ENEMY TERRITORY FOR THIS POST)
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No matter how often I am reminded of the Ea-Nasir story, I always need a second to remember if it's real history or something out of The Silmarillion.
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Thanks for the capitalist clarification
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frankenfreak posted:No matter how often I am reminded of the Ea-Nasir story, I always need a second to remember if it's real history or something out of The Silmarillion. As I'm reading that right now for basically the first time, I can see it If Ea-Nasir made an oath around quote:Take cognizance that (from now on) I will not accept here any copper from you that is not of fine quality. I shall (from now on) select and take the ingots individually in my own yard, and I shall exercise against you my right of rejection because you have treated me with contempt.” that somehow causes a multi-generational war that plays into Morgoth's hand
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zegermans posted:how do people argue that capitalism isn't an inherent trait of civilization when the first written thing was literally a complaint over a capitalist transaction the central economic sphere of production and distribution in bronze age mesopotamia were the temple complexes. they made things, they employed people, and they sold things, and were the main economic entities that the majority of people would deal with. merchants would trade between cities and thus between temple economies, and the system of interlocking trade and tribute routes stretched across the entire mediterranean basin and at least as far as what is now iran. trade in copper (and tin), as ea-nasir and nanni are involved in, was essential to the whole economic system, which stayed pretty similar all the way up until it violently collapsed around 1200 bce. these merchants were involved in trade for profit, but they were not capitalists, and the system was not capitalism. there was little or no practice of wage labor, and the means of production of goods were concentrated in the temples and not in the hands of the merchant class who carried out intercity and interstate trade. money in this system was a means of exchange and denomination of debts, the classic commodity-money-commodity cycle that marx described as distinct from the money-commodity-money system of capitalism. e: michael hudson describes this system here, including how it was the origin of money itself. fabergay egg has issued a correction as of 06:22 on Mar 14, 2021 |
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Maybe answer to our current economic crisis is return to the temple economy.
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fabergay egg posted:the central economic sphere of production and distribution in bronze age mesopotamia were the temple complexes. they made things, they employed people, and they sold things, and were the main economic entities that the majority of people would deal with. merchants would trade between cities and thus between temple economies, and the system of interlocking trade and tribute routes stretched across the entire mediterranean basin and at least as far as what is now iran. trade in copper (and tin), as ea-nasir and nanni are involved in, was essential to the whole economic system, which stayed pretty similar all the way up until it violently collapsed around 1200 bce. Thanks so much for this, as someone not well-versed in socioeconomic world history I struggle trying to explain to others how capitalism wasn't always around and other economic systems existed and bought/sold things without being capitalist. Re: the bolded parts, could you link some more info about this? I've never heard about this and would like to know more in order to dunk on libs.
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kinda want to interject that the "all temple" model has some significant sceptics, including Michael Hudson. There's two big issues - first is that the temples were major centers of manufacturing for export, but they didn't really have a lot of control over the peasantry, who were the largest population sector by a significant margin. The other element is that the main reason we know so much about the temples is that they wrote so much down, and they wrote all this down because they had to report to the palace, which had its own complementary economic production (such as large herds and beer production) and was of course the force that would institute debt jubilees, overriding aristocratic desires for consistent debt contracts. Privatization also started significantly earlier than 1200bce, like we have pretty good evidence that it was kicking into gear by Ur III, and not long later we start seeing an interesting practice: portions of the temple income (effectively dividends) can be sold in a form alienated from the bureaucratic duties that were usually how one was entitled to those. AFAIK this practice started as a way to buy off Amorites who were attacking Nippur but it did become just a market practice.
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I wouldn't say there was no 'wage labor', people worked for wages but they were paid in kind; corvee workers for example received payment in grain, meat, oil & clothes. Also you could pay a tithe in silver to be exempted from the corvee, too.
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Corvée workers are, by definition, not wage labourers because they do not labour for a wage. Their labour is not bought by an employer for purpose - it is owed by the labourer to the state. The 'payment' is not the purchase of the labour, it is maintenance of the workforce.
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Ghostlight posted:Corvée workers are, by definition, not wage labourers because they do not labour for a wage. Their labour is not bought by an employer for purpose - it is owed by the labourer to the state. The 'payment' is not the purchase of the labour, it is maintenance of the workforce. seems like a pretty irrelevant distinction tbh. the end result was the same, the worked had to labor for someone else to make a living
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babypolis posted:seems like a pretty irrelevant distinction tbh. the end result was the same, the worked had to labor for someone else to make a living iirc, corvee systems used such labor as a substitute for taxes in money or kind. corvee laborers were not compensated and still had to independently provide for themselves.
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guess who's back in business? https://twitter.com/TheStalwart/status/1369309628119539714?s=20
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uber_stoat posted:guess who's back in business? Look at the top of this page for an amazing meme dump
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