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Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
Let's have a drink!
Where does that 8,500 number come from, anyway. I don't believe that for a second.

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Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Yeah, 8500 sounds awfully low.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

Well, as far as I can tell the number probably originates with San Francisco's "Homeless Point in Time Count Reports"

quote:

Every two years the City of San Francisco conducts a HUD-mandated census of the homeless population. The Point in Time Count methodology has improved over the years and includes a visual assessment of people living unsheltered in San Francisco, a census of all shelter and transitional housing programs, and a survey of people experiencing homelessness. We combine these sources to produce the Point in Time Count Reports.

The basis of this method is essentially that the city gets broken into a grid, people patrol their section and count all the people they see who appear to be homeless. It's more complicated than that and they acknowledge it is flawed in ways, but it's also a mandated reporting method so they do it every two years.

Link to PIT reports

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



Twelve by Pies posted:

It's too bad that if Pelosi said "Okay, let's spend 355 million dollars to feed, clothe and house every homeless person in San Franscisco" they would scream bloody murder about socialism and free stuff and ARE TAXES.

"Don't confuse me with the facts; gummint is always bad!"

They're so afraid that a good, far-reaching program that proves the government's worth in protecting its citizens would disprove their ideology. Dying for trickle-down economics.

InsertPotPun
Apr 16, 2018

Pissy Bitch stan
"look at all these terrible things we are doing just to 'stop a deadly disease'. this is the world the liberals want: crying, alive, children!"

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!
But Democrats are responsible for neither of those? Nor for the metal detectors to enter Congress. Nor even for TSA?

Let me guess, they think a democrat was responsible for "Caution, contents may be hot". How about, "Caution, voting republican will result in forced births followed by child death due to lack of care for citizens :catholic:".

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS


VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Twelve by Pies posted:

It's too bad that if Pelosi said "Okay, let's spend 355 million dollars to feed, clothe and house every homeless person in San Franscisco" they would scream bloody murder about socialism and free stuff and ARE TAXES.

well yeah I said "mostly-right" obviously they'd hate it if she actually did anything to help homeless people, and also the Kennedy center isn't what's preventing that, still though rampant homelessness in the district of one of the country's most powerful political leaders is uhh yea pretty hosed up.

Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2020

The Nazis burned books, you know! Better not look into what books they burned, though.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

PhantomOfTheCopier posted:

But Democrats are responsible for neither of those? Nor for the metal detectors to enter Congress. Nor even for TSA?

Let me guess, they think a democrat was responsible for "Caution, contents may be hot". How about, "Caution, voting republican will result in forced births followed by child death due to lack of care for citizens :catholic:".

The second one is technically a fence but whatever. Christ.

This poo poo is so loving stupid. Good on the MAGAs I guess comparing themselves to the ravenous MS13 rapist hoards I suppose.

I got into a brief FB argument with a CHUD when I quoted Reagan saying "tear down this wall" and she replied that "THAT wall was to keep people IN, not OUT" and admonished me to "learn my history". Like...I didn't even know where to start with that, just did an "LOL" and asked her to read what she just wrote again. But doesn't every wall serve both purposes by definition? Guess I got owned pretty hard there on that one.

It's kind of like the old "you hate capitalism yet you have a job" and "you hate fossil fuels yet you drive a car" levels of discourse.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
I mean technically you can make the argument that Dems decided to keep using fences around congress even after they won. But dems maintaining the status quo would be a fair criticism, and not what theyre going for.

duodenum
Sep 18, 2005

I joined a terrible Facebook group where parents of kids in my school district complain that kids are being forced to wear masks in class. The type of people screaming in here are like this:

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HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

duodenum posted:

I joined a terrible Facebook group where parents of kids in my school district complain that kids are being forced to wear masks in class. The type of people screaming in here are like this:



"We must secure a school for our kids and classrooms for our white children."
Would have only took them 14 words.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


duodenum posted:

I joined a terrible Facebook group where parents of kids in my school district complain that kids are being forced to wear masks in class. The type of people screaming in here are like this:



:wow: indeed.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
I swear to god if WW2 happened today we'd loving lose because nobody would want to lose their freedoms by even making small sacrifices for the greater good.

Having to wear a mask and standing 6 feet apart is soooo much harder than rationing gas to 2 gallons a week.

quote:

During the war, the federal government imposed rations on such things as butter, sugar, coffee, canned fruits and vegetables, meat and canned milk, using a point system imposed on all grocery stores.

"Tyranny", I say but also "support the troops!" and claiming to be a patriot.

The covid 19 death toll all but matches the number of Americans killed in World War II, Korea and Vietnam combined.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 4 days!
Seeing a lot of hot takes about people concern trolling trans people competing in HS sports and also the notorious idea of teen suicides suddenly being a problem due to schools being closed.

And the consistent pattern I've seen in both is that no large scale effort seems to be put into asking the kids themselves how they feel about these issues. Have there been any polls in this regard? If chuds are so sure they are right then the kids would back them up about it. They'd be blowing up tiktok about it and so on.

A mutual friend has a zoomer daughter and I often pick her brain about these topics though even in that case I worry she's just trying to tell me what I want to hear since I'm probably the most strident leftist she talks to. But in my case it's not because I'm seeking validation from a young person but because I'm genuinely curious of their opinions. The zoomers I know cover a wide range of opinions- from her being fairly leftist working in a nonprofit, to my zoomer younger brother who treats trans people as a circus freakshow and joined the military in the hopes of being a cop when he gets out.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 4 days!

BiggerBoat posted:

I swear to god if WW2 happened today we'd loving lose because nobody would want to lose their freedoms by even making small sacrifices for the greater good.

Having to wear a mask and standing 6 feet apart is soooo much harder than rationing gas to 2 gallons a week.


"Tyranny", I say but also "support the troops!" and claiming to be a patriot.

The covid 19 death toll all but matches the number of Americans killed in World War II, Korea and Vietnam combined.
When you point out the death toll they'll flat out deny it. They'll just claim the deaths were inflated. When you compare the total number of Americans that died from one year to another they'll just chalk it up to fraud.

The "guy who died of a motorcycle accident but doctor wrote 'Covid' on the death certificate" anecdote gets brought up a lot.

18 Character Limit
Apr 6, 2007

Screw you, Abed;
I can fix this!
Nap Ghost

duodenum posted:

I joined a terrible Facebook group where parents of kids in my school district complain that kids are being forced to wear masks in class. The type of people screaming in here are like this:



Nextdoor is FULL of this. Probably by people banned from facebook

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
“The segregated schools are less racist” now that’s some galaxy brain poo poo

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 4 days!

18 Character Limit posted:

Nextdoor is FULL of this. Probably by people banned from facebook

I gotta wonder how lovely of a person you gotta be to get banned on Facebook considering what they let people get away with in terms of lousy moderation. I know a lot of leftists here have anecdotes about getting banned for things as benign as "stop calling that woman a dyke" in response to some bigot but in spite of being insufferably argumentative on that platform I haven't even had so much as a timeout (not trying to dismiss the claims of others, if anything just miffled at how inconsistent they are about banning people).

It's like forming a club of people that got banned from public transit. In a lot of places you gotta be pretty awful to be straight up banned outright so the people who were kicked off the bus for legitimate hair sniffing reasons are going to be pretty egregious about stuff probably.

Cactus Ghost
Dec 20, 2003

you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc

the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

“The segregated schools are less racist” now that’s some galaxy brain poo poo

that was a very, very common justification for segregation and it's not surprising that some galaxy brain mfers think they've hit on a brilliant insight that isn't just bog standard old fashioned racist horseshit

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



Lipstick Apathy

OMGVBFLOL posted:

that was a very, very common justification for segregation and it's not surprising that some galaxy brain mfers think they've hit on a brilliant insight that isn't just bog standard old fashioned racist horseshit

It's a goddamn kelly cartoon

Dienes
Nov 4, 2009

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College Slice

Panfilo posted:

And the consistent pattern I've seen in both is that no large scale effort seems to be put into asking the kids themselves how they feel about these issues. Have there been any polls in this regard? If chuds are so sure they are right then the kids would back them up about it. They'd be blowing up tiktok about it and so on.

You know that one of the reasons trans kids commit suicide is bullying from peers, right?

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Panfilo posted:

When you point out the death toll they'll flat out deny it. They'll just claim the deaths were inflated. When you compare the total number of Americans that died from one year to another they'll just chalk it up to fraud.

The "guy who died of a motorcycle accident but doctor wrote 'Covid' on the death certificate" anecdote gets brought up a lot.

Yep, that's a common one with my family. Along with "The government pays hospitals $50,000 for each death reported as COVID!"

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

Panfilo posted:

I gotta wonder how lovely of a person you gotta be to get banned on Facebook considering what they let people get away with in terms of lousy moderation. I know a lot of leftists here have anecdotes about getting banned for things as benign as "stop calling that woman a dyke" in response to some bigot but in spite of being insufferably argumentative on that platform I haven't even had so much as a timeout (not trying to dismiss the claims of others, if anything just miffled at how inconsistent they are about banning people).

One annoying thing is that the worst people tend to have a lot of experience with getting blocked and banned, so they talk to each other about the things that Facebook is sensitive to about. This allows them to avoid key terms, and also know exactly what they can report and get results from.

It turns out that "ignorant" is a trigger word, so be careful when using it.

Context: one of the Capitol rioters claimed to be a libertarian and all the libertarians were arguing that she isn't a real libertarian. I took the counter position and claimed that she was the REAL libertarian and that they need to study more, along with some other posts teasing them for making such an obvious No True Scottsman argument.

Bizarro Kanyon
Jan 3, 2007

Something Awful, so easy even a spaceman can do it!


We had my daughter’s 9th birthday party with family today. Pretty tame (I was worried that my sister may go off because she had/has bought into the Trump is still President conspiracy theories) but my brother in law did go on an rant about how he, as a white male
Christian, he is the biggest minority in the country. He also told his 15 year old son that going to college just to get a degree is stupid because you leave college with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of debt for a degree in basket weaving. He also talked about how none of his coworkers drink Coca Cola now since they are white people and Coke does not want white people drinking it.

For the most part though, everyone just kind of ignored that poo poo.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Bizarro Kanyon posted:

he is the biggest minority in the country.
Sounds like he has an advantage over other minority groups. Possibly even a privilege.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
Facebook is a god damned garbage fire of "disclurse" and quitting on it drastically improved my life and overall mental health. Really sucks not knowing what people who I knew 20 years ago are eating for dinner and what concert they went to but my loss I suppose.

PneumonicBook
Sep 26, 2007

Do you like our owl?



Ultra Carp

BiggerBoat posted:

Facebook is a god damned garbage fire of "disclurse" and quitting on it drastically improved my life and overall mental health. Really sucks not knowing what people who I knew 20 years ago are eating for dinner and what concert they went to but my loss I suppose.

I nuked my Facebook account in January and the weirdest thing is not knowing what the rights crying about. I literally didn't see anything about Dr Seuss until I saw it on the local news, and the coke thing I got just from SA. It's 100% a great idea though given that I don't think there's been any positive discussion on the platform for a decade.

DarkHorse
Dec 13, 2006

Vroom vroom, BEEP BEEP!
Nap Ghost

Panfilo posted:

When you point out the death toll they'll flat out deny it. They'll just claim the deaths were inflated. When you compare the total number of Americans that died from one year to another they'll just chalk it up to fraud.

The "guy who died of a motorcycle accident but doctor wrote 'Covid' on the death certificate" anecdote gets brought up a lot.

"Background deaths" is an easy counter to that.

There have been thousands of extra death certificates issued each week for over a year. SOMEthing has been killing lots of Americans, so you have to explain why hundreds of extra people are dying in car crashes each week for over a year.

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006

quote:

This about as clear, concise and straight forward as anything that has been written to describe the aftermath of the "nonsense" referred to as an "election" in November, 2020 and in earlier recent times. As the old saying goes "GOD IS WATCHING"...most likely in total disgust. I can't imagine what the folks described in the Bible must have done to cause he great flood, had their cities destroyed by fire, etc. by THE ALMIGHTY. We must be getting close.


Dave Ramsey hit the nail right on the head! Very well said!
“This morning, I realized that everything is about to change. No matter how I vote, no matter what I say, lives are never going to be the same.
I have been confused by the hostility of family and friends. I look at people I have known all my life so hate-filled that they agree with opinions they would never express as their own. I think that I may well have entered the Twilight Zone.

“This morning, I realized that everything is about to change. No matter how I vote, no matter what I say, lives are never going to be the same.
I have been confused by the hostility of family and friends. I look at people I have known all my life so hate-filled that they agree with opinions they would never express as their own. I think that I may well have entered the Twilight Zone.


You can't justify this insanity. We have become a nation that has lost its collective mind.
We see other countries going Socialist and collapsing, but it seems like a great plan to us.
Somehow, it’s un-American for the census to count how many Americans are in America.
People who say there is no such thing as gender are demanding a female President.
Universities that advocate equality, discriminate against Asian-Americans in favor of African-Americans.
Some people are held responsible for things that happened before they were born, and other people are not held responsible for what they are doing right now.



Criminals are caught-and-released to hurt more people, but stopping them is bad because it's a violation of THEIR rights.
People who have never owned slaves should pay slavery reparations to people who have never been slaves.
After legislating gender, if a dude pretends to be a woman, you are required to pretend with him.
It was cool for Joe Biden to "blackmail" the President of Ukraine, but it’s an impeachable offense if Donald Trump inquiries about it.
People who have never been to college should pay the debts of college students who took out huge loans for their degrees.
Immigrants with tuberculosis and polio are welcome, but you’d better be able to prove your dog is vaccinated.
Irish doctors and German engineers who want to immigrate to the US must go through a rigorous vetting process, but any illiterate gang-bangers who jump the southern fence are welcomed.



$5 billion for border security is too expensive, but $1.5 trillion for “free” health care is not.
If you cheat to get into college you go to prison, but if you cheat to get into the country you go to college for free.
And, pointing out all this hypocrisy somehow makes us "racists"!



Nothing makes sense anymore, no values, no morals, no civility and people are dying of a Chinese virus, but it is racist to refer to it as Chinese even though it began in China.



We are clearly living in an upside-down world where right is wrong and wrong is right, where moral is immoral and immoral is moral, where good is evil and evil is good, where killing murderers is wrong, but killing innocent babies is right.



Wake up America. The great unsinkable ship Titanic America has hit an iceberg, is taking on water and sinking fast.

UwUnabomber
Sep 9, 2012

Pubes dreaded out so hoes call me Chris Barnes. I don't wear a condom at the pig farm.
I pulled the plug on Facebook during all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about RBG. Apparently "if she didn't want to have her replacement appointed by a non-democrat she should have stepped down under Obama, huh?" is anti-semitism. I was about to get real irate about it so I just hit eject.

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story

quote:

I can't imagine what the folks described in the Bible must have done to cause he great flood, had their cities destroyed by fire, etc. by THE ALMIGHTY. We must be getting close.

Actually the Bible explicitly lays out what the folks did to cause those things! The great flood was caused by humans loving angels, and the cities destroyed by fire (I assume that means Sodom and Gomorrah) were full of people who did not help the poor and needy and mistreated foreigners.

And on that second one, we're past close, we've been there for decades! I do agree God is watching the Republican party with total disgust though.

Trivia
Feb 8, 2006

I'm an obtuse man,
so I'll try to be oblique.
Man I'd be the last to defend FB and its lovely effect it's had on the world, but a lot of you know that you can curate what you see right? Just unfollow ppl's lovely posting. Or unfriend. I suppose that's just :effort: and I can understand not wanting to do that though.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS
Facebook has been a godsend for me. I can be friends with all my racist family members and not have to actually see them in person and still be "the good one"

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 4 days!

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

One annoying thing is that the worst people tend to have a lot of experience with getting blocked and banned, so they talk to each other about the things that Facebook is sensitive to about. This allows them to avoid key terms, and also know exactly what they can report and get results from.

It turns out that "ignorant" is a trigger word, so be careful when using it.

Context: one of the Capitol rioters claimed to be a libertarian and all the libertarians were arguing that she isn't a real libertarian. I took the counter position and claimed that she was the REAL libertarian and that they need to study more, along with some other posts teasing them for making such an obvious No True Scottsman argument.


This is interesting. Does brigading factor into this? What other key words do they avoid to not get banned? I've reported a lot of shitposters over there but the only pattern I've seen is people issuing direct threats. Other than that it felt like a total crapshoot whether a report would stick or not.

Dienes posted:

You know that one of the reasons trans kids commit suicide is bullying from peers, right?
I'm aware. But I am interested in polls that reflect these sentiments; I'd have assumed younger people are more accepting now than older people or younger people in the past. How much have trans youth suicides changed over the decades? Has it gone up? Down?

Cactus Ghost
Dec 20, 2003

you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc

the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack

Panfilo posted:

This is interesting. Does brigading factor into this? What other key words do they avoid to not get banned? I've reported a lot of shitposters over there but the only pattern I've seen is people issuing direct threats. Other than that it felt like a total crapshoot whether a report would stick or not.

I'm aware. But I am interested in polls that reflect these sentiments; I'd have assumed younger people are more accepting now than older people or younger people in the past. How much have trans youth suicides changed over the decades? Has it gone up? Down?

instead of asking the bullies to mark a circle for "strongly agree", you could just ask trans kids

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin
On the subject of Facebook being awful:


The automatic reflex to defend anything that's "cancelled" is turning people into monsters.

winterwerefox
Apr 23, 2010

The next movie better not make me shave anything :(

Pepe la Pew is a sexual predator who fails to understand consent

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